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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:29 AM
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109. My concern is the constant stream of lies from the Clinton campaign
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 12:30 AM by powergirl
such as the title of this article. I could post "Obama Gains supporters. Nurses prefer pro choice candidates" and then you could infer that Obama is the ONLY candidate that is supported by nurses. The Clinton campaign lies ALL OF THE TIME and sadly their supporters do it as well.
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  -Hillary Gains Allies - US Docs Support Universal Health Care OzarkDem  Mar-31-08 07:23 PM   #0 
  - don't both Obama and Clinton have nearly identical plans?  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 07:27 PM   #1 
  - No, they don't  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:28 PM   #3 
  - Both plans are copies of Nixon's 1971 plan, neither is "universal"  SOS   Apr-01-08 10:24 AM   #115 
     - This is what so many DUers miss. (It MUST be deliberate.)  TahitiNut   Apr-01-08 01:23 PM   #119 
  - Obama's lacks a mandate, meaning it's not universial.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:28 PM   #4 
  - Neither plan is universal  democrattotheend   Mar-31-08 07:35 PM   #17 
     - Health care requires that all people in the society contribute.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:38 PM   #20 
     - I support single payer  democrattotheend   Mar-31-08 07:44 PM   #25 
     - Single payer doesn't create a mandate?  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:17 PM   #62 
        - Single payer is a mandate on the government  democrattotheend   Apr-01-08 10:06 AM   #114 
     - Not to mention possibility of "dumping"  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 08:02 PM   #36 
        - That's the problem, what would happen is the private insurers would fuck the national insurer over..  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:17 PM   #63 
     - exactly. Kucinich's plan was better, and it would have been better altogether to have  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 07:45 PM   #27 
        - Clinton's plan is fine  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 08:03 PM   #38 
           - we dramatically disagree.  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 08:04 PM   # 
              - yes, it's the doctors who need to make the decisions without the insurance  dana_b   Mar-31-08 08:44 PM   #51 
              - Are you unable to read or just dishonest?  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:02 AM   #87 
                 - do you always insult people in such a crude and reprehensible manner??  dana_b   Apr-02-08 06:41 PM   #124 
              - I repeat - she has a public plan choice  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 11:57 PM   #83 
  - All I know is McCain's plan sucks  cuadrangular   Mar-31-08 10:41 PM   #55 
  - you listen to too many myths  rodeodance   Apr-01-08 01:16 PM   #118 
  - Well, given doctors have to go by what insurance companies say to them,  HypnoToad   Mar-31-08 07:27 PM   #2 
  - a national health care plan - -  sweets   Mar-31-08 07:28 PM   #5 
  - You do that by having a national health insurer.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:29 PM   #8 
  - Both offer a national plan  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:32 PM   #12 
     - Exactly, if the national insurer has to compete with the corporations it will *fail*.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:34 PM   #16 
     - I hope when she's not the nominee she gets together with Edwards to push a truly universial plan.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:35 PM   #18 
  - Hillary's name is not even in the article, yet you put her in the "headline". Sheesh!  David Zephyr   Mar-31-08 07:29 PM   #6 
  - Both Hillary and Obama's national health insurer are non-profit.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:30 PM   #10 
  - exactly, nt  sweets   Mar-31-08 07:33 PM   #14 
  - She's the only candidate w/ a universal plan  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:34 PM   #15 
  - Right on - I thought some group actually endorsed her  powergirl   Mar-31-08 11:05 PM   #59 
  - Unfortunately, the only Democrat actively backing a SPHC system was Kucinich.  impeachdubya   Mar-31-08 07:29 PM   #7 
  - Hillary's Health Care Plans is essentially as close to single payer as possible.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:32 PM   #13 
  - "essentially as close to single payer as possible."  impeachdubya   Mar-31-08 08:25 PM   #46 
     - Stop hanging on to Hillary's coat tails. The plans are not identical.  anamandujano   Mar-31-08 09:35 PM   #52 
     - Mmm Hmmm. Guess the strike is over, huh?  impeachdubya   Mar-31-08 11:57 PM   #84 
     - According to *me*. I've spent months looking into their *policies* and Hillary's...  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:20 PM   #65 
        - Perhaps you should do a little more research. For instance, you clearly don't understand what a  impeachdubya   Apr-01-08 12:11 AM   #98 
  - She's the only candidate in the race  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:38 PM   #21 
     - The thing about Obama's "Hope and Change" rhetoric is that his policy proposals are mediocre at best  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:41 PM   #24 
     - what have you been smoking?  JayFredMuggs   Mar-31-08 07:45 PM   #28 
     - Read up  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:51 PM   #31 
        - Honey, I have been a health care analyst since before Bill was President  JayFredMuggs   Mar-31-08 08:28 PM   #48 
           - Hillary's plan is very hard to implement when it's a GOP controlled house and senate.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:22 PM   #66 
           - It will be easier w/ Dem Congress and the medical community backing it  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:11 AM   #97 
           - Take your discredited 80's GOP economic theories  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:13 AM   #100 
     - Did you mis speak in your OP ?  powergirl   Mar-31-08 11:09 PM   #60 
        - Because Senator Clinton is the only candidate still running which has a UHC plan.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:23 PM   #67 
        - So, is it a mis speak or a lie?  powergirl   Mar-31-08 11:31 PM   #72 
           - It is opinion, note the seperator, they are not literally connected.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:37 PM   #75 
              - Now you are changing your story - like the Bosnia Mis speak  powergirl   Mar-31-08 11:59 PM   #85 
              - Doctors do not endorse Sen. Clinton -  powergirl   Apr-01-08 12:00 AM   #86 
              - Your candidate's health care plan sucks  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:08 AM   #92 
                 - So, we resort to profanity  powergirl   Apr-01-08 12:23 AM   #107 
              - It is, of course, a lie  SOS   Apr-01-08 01:10 PM   #116 
                 - "Obama Gains Allies - White men in Pennsylvania Drink Beer"  powergirl   Apr-01-08 01:32 PM   #122 
        - No, I didn't misspeak  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:07 AM   #91 
           - My concern is the constant stream of lies from the Clinton campaign  powergirl   Apr-01-08 12:29 AM   #109 
  - Of course they do because they are GUARANTEED to get paid and don't  oviedodem   Mar-31-08 07:30 PM   #9 
  - No, he's putting money in the pockets of corporate interests and weakening the national insurer.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:31 PM   #11 
  - Wrong again. Insuring our young ones and lowering premiums  oviedodem   Mar-31-08 07:35 PM   #19 
     - Reversing Bush's tax cuts. You don't say how I'm wrong.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 07:40 PM   #22 
     - The tax-cuts alone is going to cut it. Well before bush did that how well  oviedodem   Mar-31-08 07:44 PM   #26 
        - Hillary's plan is overarching and destroys health insurers. Thus it's hard to pass with the GOP in..  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:31 PM   #73 
     - How will Obama lower premiums?  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 08:04 PM   #39 
  - You haven't read her plan  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:41 PM   #23 
  - well, her plan is a mandate and is run by the insurance companies.  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 07:46 PM   #29 
     - Read about it before you comment  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:53 PM   #32 
        - I have read them, thanks.  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 08:03 PM   #37 
           - If you don't like private insurance, buy the public plan  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 08:05 PM   #41 
           - we disagree. now move on.  Lerkfish   Mar-31-08 08:10 PM   #43 
           - Uh, the public insurer is state owned and controlled. It's the same one the Senate uses.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:19 PM   #64 
  - MDs and RNs make plenty of $$$. They want job satisfaction---to cure people.  McCamy Taylor   Mar-31-08 08:02 PM   #35 
  - article does not say any of those doctors support hillary what a crock this thread is...  Ysabel   Mar-31-08 07:50 PM   #30 
  - Process of elimination  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 07:54 PM   #33 
     - her plan is not universal...  Ysabel   Mar-31-08 08:24 PM   #45 
     - She is not in favor of single payer  eridani   Apr-01-08 12:16 AM   #103 
  - Hillary's "healthcare industry" donations are mostly from providers---MDs RNs  McCamy Taylor   Mar-31-08 07:58 PM   #34 
  - Of course they would. Garuantees them a paycheck.  anonymous171   Mar-31-08 08:05 PM   #40 
  - How so?  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 08:06 PM   #42 
  - What bullshit. Sorry, I've tried to be really diplomatic but this is  tpsbmam   Mar-31-08 08:22 PM   #44 
  - BRAVO!  JayFredMuggs   Mar-31-08 08:33 PM   #49 
  - You need to read the article again, it says national plan, not single payer  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 11:53 PM   #79 
  - I don't need to read the article again --  tpsbmam   Apr-01-08 07:20 AM   #113 
  - why must you squabble over things like the truth.  TheDonkey   Apr-01-08 01:03 AM   #112 
  - You mean a poll shows that Doctors support Universal Health care.  anonymous171   Mar-31-08 08:26 PM   #47 
  - Right.  JayFredMuggs   Mar-31-08 08:34 PM   #50 
  - Of course she did, she's the only one  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 11:54 PM   #80 
  - this is an area of weakness for Obama  samsingh   Mar-31-08 10:39 PM   #53 
  - Neither of them do.  anonymous171   Mar-31-08 10:43 PM   #56 
  - somehow - everyone should be able to go to a hospital  samsingh   Mar-31-08 10:46 PM   #57 
  - We have that. It's called Patients Bill of Rights.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:26 PM   #69 
     - agreed.  samsingh   Apr-01-08 12:55 AM   #110 
  - DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT SINGLE PAYER IS? EVERYONE IS FORCED TO PAY.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:24 PM   #68 
     - Yeah. They're called taxes.  impeachdubya   Apr-01-08 12:05 AM   #90 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-08 12:10 AM   #95 
           - What the fuck?  impeachdubya   Apr-01-08 12:15 AM   # 
              - I support health care refom above any candidate  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:21 AM   #104 
                 - I'm done with you.  impeachdubya   Apr-01-08 12:22 AM   #106 
                 - "Here's wishing you no health insurance and a need for it."  redqueen   Apr-01-08 01:26 PM   #121 
  - He won't do it  OzarkDem   Mar-31-08 11:56 PM   #82 
  - this is an area of weakness for Obama  samsingh   Mar-31-08 10:39 PM   #54 
  - Don't Mandate  DerekJ   Mar-31-08 11:00 PM   #58 
  - Hillary's plan does. Please read the plan and understand how it works.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:28 PM   #70 
  - How does she cover them?! Explain to me.  DerekJ   Mar-31-08 11:30 PM   #71 
     - You walk into the hospital you sign in, you are seen. The bill is paid.  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:36 PM   #74 
        - Good.  DerekJ   Mar-31-08 11:45 PM   #77 
  - Doctors disagree  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:10 AM   #96 
  - Universal Health Insurance is MILES apart from Universal Health CARE.  Elrond Hubbard   Mar-31-08 11:12 PM   #61 
  - Nope. Single Payer is "Universial Health Insurance."  joshcryer   Mar-31-08 11:39 PM   #76 
  - HMO's are still part of the deal under Hillary's plan, right?  Elrond Hubbard   Mar-31-08 11:47 PM   #78 
  - Noooo, that is NOT what a Single Payer Plan is.  impeachdubya   Apr-01-08 12:04 AM   #88 
  - Prove it, lemming  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:05 AM   #89 
     - how about this? i'll open my piehole when i damn well please.  Elrond Hubbard   Apr-01-08 12:09 AM   #94 
        - Have some self respect  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:15 AM   #101 
           - Hillary Clinton's plan involves the HMO's correct?  Elrond Hubbard   Apr-01-08 12:29 AM   #108 
  - Hooray for Universal Health Care!!!  Swamp Rat   Mar-31-08 11:54 PM   #81 
  - Doctors do not endorse Sen. Clinton -  powergirl   Apr-01-08 12:08 AM   #93 
  - All the ones I know do  OzarkDem   Apr-01-08 12:12 AM   #99 
     - They're not mentioned in this article  powergirl   Apr-01-08 12:22 AM   #105 
  - Neither candidate favors single payer  eridani   Apr-01-08 12:15 AM   #102 
  - Hillary isn;t gaining allies -- She isn't for true national health care plan  Armstead   Apr-01-08 01:01 AM   #111 
  - My husband is a physician who supports Obama, as do many of his colleagues.  lolamio   Apr-01-08 01:15 PM   #117 
  - Universal Health INSURANCE.  redqueen   Apr-01-08 01:24 PM   #120 
  - Sun comes up this morning - a sure sign it endorses Clinton.  BlueIdaho   Apr-01-08 01:38 PM   #123 

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