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DemPopulist Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 08:38 PM
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17. Um, no
Edwards was already well ahead of Dean in the popular vote when Dean dropped out. He finished far ahead of Dean in both Iowa and Wisconsin, two states that Dean spent a lot of time in. Yeah, Dean finished ahead in some primaries and caucuses that Edwards didn't bother with (just as JE "beat" Howard in Missouri, South Carolina, Oklahoma and other states where Dean didn't campaign) but when they competed directly, Edwards usually did better. New Hampshire, where Dean had a regional advantage, was an exception.

I mean, clearly, JK clobbered everyone in the field, but Edwards is the only guy who posed even a remote threat to his nomination once the voting actually started. And if he'd done about 5%-6% better in Iowa, he'd be the nominee now (there are other scenarios but that's the most obvious). I'm not dissing Dean - I especially like the way he's campaigned for Kerry lately - but it's fairly undeniable that Edwards did best, in terms of sheer number of votes, of all the also-rans. That still would've been true if you had stopped the primary voting on February 3rd, when all the major candidates but Gephardt were still in the race.
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  -Late entry in Veepstakes: Gov. Howard Dean Exgeneral  May-21-04 07:19 PM   #0 
  - What better way to turn off 95% of the adult population?  jchild   May-21-04 07:20 PM   #1 
  - Could your post have been more graceless?  dsc   May-21-04 07:22 PM   #2 
  - well actually her posts can be more graceless  Cheswick   May-21-04 07:40 PM   #7 
  - much, much more.  ibegurpard   May-21-04 08:12 PM   #16 
  - guess there's no graceland for her then!  slinkerwink   May-21-04 11:18 PM   #29 
     - Slinker, where the world have you been?  madfloridian   May-21-04 11:21 PM   #30 
        - I'm about to head off to do my campaign internship on sunday!  slinkerwink   May-22-04 12:19 AM   #32 
           - Thinking about you and best of luck!  madfloridian   May-22-04 12:28 AM   #33 
  - Yes, she could have threatened to moon us again.  mzmolly   May-21-04 09:38 PM   #26 
  - what a disingenuous flippant response to a serious issue  Exgeneral   May-21-04 07:23 PM   #3 
  - If the Progressives stay home  MontecitoDem   May-21-04 07:56 PM   #12 
  - Umm, nope. I'm not going to be excited voting for Kerry.  Bill Wade   May-21-04 08:09 PM   #15 
  - You need to motivate progressives to come out  Exgeneral   May-21-04 09:16 PM   #20 
     - i am a progressive  JI7   May-21-04 09:28 PM   #23 
  - Why would progressives get excited  Dookus   May-21-04 11:35 PM   #31 
     - Because he was never ashamed to take a real stand.......  Darth_Kitten   May-22-04 12:08 PM   #42 
  - Maybe so.  Bill Wade   May-21-04 07:34 PM   #4 
  - Elections are about votes, sorry  malatesta1137   May-21-04 07:34 PM   #5 
  - that is actually a pretty hard case to make  dsc   May-21-04 07:40 PM   #6 
  - Kerry-Dean or Clark would get my vote and $$$  WheresWaldo   May-21-04 07:45 PM   #9 
  - Not many people put that much importance on the VP nominee.  Padraig18   May-21-04 08:02 PM   #14 
     - This goes directly to a lack of charisma on the part of the nominee  Exgeneral   May-21-04 09:20 PM   #21 
        - speak for yourself  JI7   May-21-04 09:27 PM   #22 
        - you're right , I don't like hearing this...  paulk   May-21-04 09:32 PM   #24 
           - Why is there always some axe grinder popping up  Capn Sunshine   May-22-04 03:17 PM   #47 
              - "Kerry has no charisma" IS an RNC talking point  paulk   May-22-04 05:36 PM   #51 
  - Um, no  DemPopulist   May-21-04 08:38 PM   #17 
  - First of all Edwards is not good looking  Cheswick   May-21-04 07:44 PM   #8 
     - good looks: a subjective matter  malatesta1137   May-21-04 07:59 PM   #13 
  - Dean CAN get the swing voters  ima_sinnic   May-21-04 07:46 PM   #10 
  - Well Kerry certainly seems to light up when Dean is around  Cheswick   May-21-04 07:47 PM   #11 
  - Would love to see Dean be VP  bigwillq   May-21-04 08:50 PM   #18 
  - while the chances that Dean would be picked for vp may be low at the time  JI7   May-21-04 09:11 PM   #19 
  - lol Look at the fear remaining  JNelson6563   May-21-04 09:36 PM   #25 
  - That would be great!  mzmolly   May-21-04 09:39 PM   #27 
  - I have thought about this alot  WI_DEM   May-21-04 09:51 PM   #28 
  - Great pic from Portland, having fun. Who is the kid with them?  madfloridian   May-22-04 12:35 AM   #34 
  - i saw some of it on tv  JI7   May-22-04 12:40 AM   #35 
  - I would have no problem  fujiyama   May-22-04 12:43 AM   #36 
  - No way does Kerry put another New Englander on the ticket  jsw_81   May-22-04 10:34 AM   #37 
  - I think we need to get out of these silly regional things  WI_DEM   May-22-04 10:51 AM   #38 
     - well, it's not really "us"  JI7   May-22-04 11:00 AM   #40 
  - That would be exciting  LizW   May-22-04 10:53 AM   #39 
  - YES!!!!  Darth_Kitten   May-22-04 12:06 PM   #41 
  - Oh, good  WesDem   May-22-04 12:22 PM   #43 
  - That was my first thought when I saw this post!  Capn Sunshine   May-22-04 03:21 PM   #48 
     - Hi Capn, it is funny.  madfloridian   May-22-04 03:37 PM   #49 
     - Thanks for the assist!  hf_jai   May-22-04 04:22 PM   #50 
  - Dean would be a HUGE 'crap shoot', but one I could support.  Cuban_Liberal   May-22-04 12:33 PM   #44 
  - if Kerry was not from the northeast himself  JI7   May-22-04 12:38 PM   #45 
     - Kerry could always pull a Cheney and play up his Colorado roots.  AntiCoup2k   May-22-04 01:53 PM   #46 
  - I love the man like crazy but  mrgorth   May-23-04 09:23 AM   #52 
  - it'd be nice, but  ulysses   May-23-04 12:33 PM   #53 
  - No chance  Free_Thinker   May-23-04 12:58 PM   #54 
  - agreed.  fossaceca   May-23-04 01:15 PM   #55 
     - Hi fossaceca!!  newyawker99   May-23-04 02:59 PM   #56 
  - Why? To put Vermont in our column?  damkira   May-25-04 03:49 PM   #57 
  - Dean is my inspiration, BUT-  demwing   May-25-04 05:19 PM   #58 
 

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