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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:23 PM
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7. Obama specifically said he's not against all wars, just stupid wars
And I've never heard any of his supporters argue differently. So this is just a stupid strawman.
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  -For Obama supporters who say that Obama is 'antiwar'. readmoreoften  Mar-30-08 06:17 PM   #0 
  - that one sentence by itself is a little out of context  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:20 PM   #1 
  - It's not out of context. It's a direct quote.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:25 PM   #11 
  - I didn't say you misquoted. I said the surrounding context was missing. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:30 PM   #16 
  - maybe you should read more often...  progdonkey   Mar-30-08 06:36 PM   #26 
  - I read plenty. Thanks for your concern. It's a direct quote from your hero who I take at his word.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:52 PM   #38 
     - now you're misquoting (changing words)  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:59 PM   #44 
     - Point out the Barack Obama in this post.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:04 PM   #48 
     - he's not my "hero"...  progdonkey   Mar-30-08 07:25 PM   #57 
        - I'm criticizing the fact that he even called Reagan and Bush 41's policies realistic.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:39 PM   #63 
           - Hear hear. Unfortunately we have lost the historical argument on this.  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:15 PM   #91 
  - You understand that something can be a direct quote and still out of context, right?  stevenleser   Mar-30-08 06:46 PM   #36 
  - Let's give this a try. Fictitious candidate from the future.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:58 PM   #42 
  - LOLOLOL! I'm gonna quote you on that - and out of context even....  BlooInBloo   Mar-30-08 07:23 PM   #55 
  - DUers hate Gravel. They tolerate Kucinich only because he's considered an eccentric oddball  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:19 PM   #92 
  - Gulf War I left us Stronger????????????  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:11 PM   #88 
  - Kick for more votes please.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:20 PM   #2 
  - Has ANY president been anti-war?  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 06:21 PM   #3 
  - Didn't Obama say he was against "stupid wars"? nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:22 PM   #6 
  - Yeah. I took that to mean that he was against neoconservative foreign policy.  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 06:23 PM   #9 
     - Obviously he's not. He endorses permanent bases in Iraq -- which Kerry campaigned AGAINST  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:23 PM   #94 
  - he wasn't antiwar.  zonmoy   Mar-30-08 06:24 PM   #10 
     - I know that. But he is also considered the greatest Democrat. Ever.  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 06:25 PM   #12 
        - that doesn't mean that he was a saint.  zonmoy   Mar-30-08 06:37 PM   #27 
        - Yeah. I get it.  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 06:59 PM   #46 
           - none that I have ever heard of.  zonmoy   Mar-30-08 09:13 PM   #89 
        - I thought Jefferson was the greatest Democrat ever.  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:25 PM   #95 
  - Other: I cannot vote in this poll or any like it until "in some ways" has been clearly defined.  Swamp Rat   Mar-30-08 06:21 PM   #4 
  - He says 'in some ways' like Reagan but he does not say 'in some ways' like GHWB.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:27 PM   #15 
     - Until Obama defines what he meant by "in some ways," it's all speculation.  Swamp Rat   Mar-30-08 06:32 PM   #22 
        - That is true in the case of Reagan, but what about George Bush 1?  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:36 PM   #25 
           - I see what you mean.  Swamp Rat   Mar-30-08 07:28 PM   #59 
              - Thanks Swamp Rat.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:48 PM   #68 
                 - Estoy de acuerdo.  Swamp Rat   Mar-30-08 07:57 PM   #74 
                    - I lived in Bluefields.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 08:19 PM   #81 
  - Obama is NOT anti-war. I can understand why some of his supporters think he is, but he's not.  Skip Intro   Mar-30-08 06:22 PM   #5 
  - Obama specifically said he's not against all wars, just stupid wars  maximusveritas   Mar-30-08 06:23 PM   #7 
  - So Iraq I, Panama, Faukland Islands were not 'stupid wars'?  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:32 PM   #21 
     - Iraq I was not a stupid war. Al Gore, among others, supported it.  nsd   Mar-30-08 06:39 PM   #29 
        - Iraq I was a stupid war, but it was a well handled stupid war. Panama was for personal bush family  John Q. Citizen   Mar-30-08 06:58 PM   #41 
           - Agreed. These stupid wars were all handled much better than Iraq II.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:24 PM   #56 
  - It's the height of foolishness, egotism and partisanship  nomad1776   Mar-30-08 06:23 PM   #8 
  - It shames you to see "Republicans" act like a horses ass when Obama mentions a Republican?  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:30 PM   #17 
     - Ahh and there is one of the fools I am referring to  nomad1776   Mar-30-08 06:46 PM   #34 
        - And that's called an ad hominem attack. It's what people use when they have no argument.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:08 PM   #50 
  - Are you voting for McKinney?  sandnsea   Mar-30-08 06:26 PM   #13 
  - Other, that was not how Obama meant this  stevenleser   Mar-30-08 06:27 PM   #14 
  - .  baldguy   Mar-30-08 06:30 PM   #18 
  - LOL! nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:32 PM   #20 
  - No. Every time someone asks an Obama thug a question it's not a strawman you moron.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 06:34 PM   #23 
     - Ascribing a position to Obama which he does not hold  baldguy   Mar-30-08 06:59 PM   #45 
        - Really. Then refute it instead of calling me names. That's what I asked you to do.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:20 PM   #53 
           - Hillary Clinton eats puppies & kittens.  baldguy   Mar-30-08 07:22 PM   #54 
              - Exactly what I thought.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:26 PM   #58 
                 - At least my argument isn't a straw man.  baldguy   Mar-30-08 07:46 PM   #66 
                    - I didn't know there was a hierarchy of rhetorical sleaze.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:52 PM   #70 
                       - Obama is not "anti-war".  baldguy   Mar-30-08 08:52 PM   #84 
  - I chose...  Mooney   Mar-30-08 06:31 PM   #19 
  - Limited engagement...... not occupation  Johnny__Motown   Mar-30-08 06:36 PM   #24 
  - I trust him much more with war decisions than I do McCain and Clinton  Truth Hurts A Lot   Mar-30-08 06:38 PM   #28 
  - None of the above. I trust Obama to keep us out of war. n/t  invictus   Mar-30-08 06:42 PM   #30 
  - You may disagree with them, but Bush 41 and Reagan didn't get us into any quagmires.  TheWraith   Mar-30-08 06:44 PM   #31 
  - hey - no context allowed - (see above)  JoeIsOneOfUs   Mar-30-08 06:56 PM   #40 
  - Fair enough. He'll only pick fights we can win. Acceptable reading of his position.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:02 PM   #47 
  - They got us into the MidEast quagmire by placing troops in SA and funding Al Qaeda in Afghanisrtan  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:31 PM   #96 
  - The anti war acndidate was DK of who is left Barack is th next best thing.  cooolandrew   Mar-30-08 06:44 PM   #32 
  - The anti war cnadidate was DK of who is left Barack is the next best thing.  cooolandrew   Mar-30-08 06:44 PM   #33 
  - I feel confident that Obama will not take the country into war  Skidmore   Mar-30-08 06:46 PM   #35 
  - BO is a political chameleon, he'll "change" his position to whatever seems appropriate at the moment  jody   Mar-30-08 06:52 PM   #37 
  - Only to people who refuse to READ the full content  JayFredMuggs   Mar-30-08 06:56 PM   #39 
     - As someone who just joined DU I think you should watch who you call a Republican.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:29 PM   #60 
  - I won't vote for someone who will not fight in some circumstances  dmordue   Mar-30-08 06:58 PM   #43 
  - Then Obama's your candidate.  baldguy   Mar-30-08 07:07 PM   #49 
  - everyone but perhaps kucinich fits  dmordue   Mar-30-08 07:17 PM   #52 
  - Neither will I. But were Bush 41 and Reagan's circumstances acceptable is the question.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:11 PM   #51 
     - I read an article about the fusion of Moralists and Militarists that created our current mess.  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 07:30 PM   #61 
        - Our mess is quite a mess indeed.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:41 PM   #64 
           - No problem.  anonymous171   Mar-30-08 07:50 PM   #69 
           - That's hitting the nail on the head. /nt  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:54 PM   #71 
           - Sad indeed  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:41 PM   #97 
  - Crafty poll  Orwellian_Ghost   Mar-30-08 07:33 PM   #62 
  - I read that speech. It's part of what frightens me.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:43 PM   #65 
     - The evil of two lessers = "You won't get a better deal from my opponent, trust me."  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:46 PM   #98 
  - None of the 3 candidates have the courage to be anti-war.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-08 07:48 PM   #67 
  - Well, I think that there are just struggles but then again I'm not a pacifist.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 07:56 PM   #73 
     - I agree with the EZLN's struggle.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-30-08 08:17 PM   #80 
        - I don't think that they would've gotten anywhere without pushing into the cities of Chiapas.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 08:29 PM   #82 
  - You forgot "People who don't demonize GHWB, Reagan, and JFK are evil".  boppers   Mar-30-08 07:55 PM   #72 
  - Yes that makes you sound really 'grown up.' Do you also criticize people for 'demonizing' GWB?  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 08:08 PM   #78 
     - Oh, I get your style of invective.  boppers   Mar-30-08 09:23 PM   #93 
        - Wow... OK  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:52 PM   #100 
           - Trying to reduce a few hundred thousand incidents into a few paragraphs is never easy.  boppers   Mar-30-08 10:57 PM   #105 
  - JFK tried to ratchet down Vietnam, GHWB pulled out of Iraq, Reagan ended the cold war.  dailykoff   Mar-30-08 08:00 PM   #75 
  - At last, a "realistic" defense of Obama's remarks  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:55 PM   #101 
  - Response:  Political Heretic   Mar-30-08 08:03 PM   #76 
  - Here' s how I read it...  stillcool47   Mar-30-08 08:08 PM   #77 
  - I agree with some of his statements, but others give me pause.  readmoreoften   Mar-30-08 08:14 PM   #79 
     - I believe all wars in the middle-east ..  stillcool47   Mar-30-08 09:05 PM   #86 
        - And that is realist. By siding with Reagan/Bush on realism, hes saying he doesnt mind resource wars  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:50 PM   #99 
           - I don't know that there has ..  stillcool47   Mar-30-08 10:50 PM   #104 
  - hes anti dumb war. not war in general. - nt  goletian   Mar-30-08 08:44 PM   #83 
  - This poll breakdown saddens me. DU is "showing their ass" as my grandma would say  Leopolds Ghost   Mar-30-08 09:05 PM   #85 
  - Other:  LWolf   Mar-30-08 09:10 PM   #87 
  - Here's how Tom Hayden, an Obama supporter, puts it:  dailykoff   Mar-30-08 09:13 PM   #90 
  - at least old tom has`t lost his reasoning  madrchsod   Mar-30-08 10:09 PM   #102 
  - Obama's not antiwar. He's anti-stupid-war.  Occam Bandage   Mar-30-08 10:12 PM   #103 
 

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