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Sun Mar-30-08 05:50 PM
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| 15. Since you are the one making the accusation, |
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I would suggest that it is you that needs to provide some substantive proof of your claims. Or did you just read that in an OP on DU?
Both campaigns have debts at this time, BTW.
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| -This is a no-brainer...I would not vote for someone who did not pay their bills. |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 05:36 PM |
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Apparently she's not very good at 'pay as you go' |
C_U_L8R |
Mar-30-08 05:39 PM |
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Well, in fairness, she's not sitting down everyday writing the checks |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 05:42 PM |
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The buck literally stops with her |
C_U_L8R |
Mar-30-08 05:44 PM |
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And look at the current deficit; what would that look like after 4 years? nt |
babylonsister |
Mar-30-08 05:40 PM |
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Couldn't this be Repug Spin, though? n/t |
KoKo01 |
Mar-30-08 05:40 PM |
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No, this is from the official financial records they have to file. |
Sandi_4_Edwards |
Mar-30-08 05:41 PM |
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You're right--on many levels: |
Sandi_4_Edwards |
Mar-30-08 05:40 PM |
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um, she claims to stand for working stiffs -she stiffs working stiffs! |
TexanDem |
Mar-30-08 05:42 PM |
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Oh, but you should. |
brokensymmetry |
Mar-30-08 05:43 PM |
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. . . or someone who bought his house with the help of a crook. |
anamandujano |
Mar-30-08 05:43 PM |
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already debunked--keep up |
Sandi_4_Edwards |
Mar-30-08 05:45 PM |
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That hasn't been debunked. It is an acknowledged fact. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:11 PM |
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stay on task. start a thread with obama but tell me how Hillary |
roguevalley |
Mar-30-08 06:18 PM |
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I didn't start any thread. And I don't care which one wins. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:24 PM |
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No you don't you want to use words like "crook".... |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 07:18 PM |
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Where did I use the word crook? |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 09:32 PM |
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fairly equals diversions? |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:23 PM |
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I agree. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 09:33 PM |
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That HAS been debunked. The owner in question was interviewed and said those claims were false. |
stevenleser |
Mar-30-08 06:19 PM |
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Then the owner in question is calling Obama a liar. nt |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:46 PM |
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No, they arent. What does it say for you that you comment on something you havent seen? |
stevenleser |
Mar-30-08 06:50 PM |
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I took what I wrote from his own words. If the propery owner disagrees, then |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:56 PM |
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From factcheck.org |
stevenleser |
Mar-30-08 06:57 PM |
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Which supports my statement. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 07:09 PM |
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Rezko bought the lot next door.. |
stillcool47 |
Mar-30-08 07:46 PM |
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I know. Read what I posted. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 09:26 PM |
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There is no effort to turn him into.. |
stillcool47 |
Mar-30-08 10:57 PM |
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There was another offer for the land for the same amount |
dkf |
Mar-30-08 06:24 PM |
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I didn't do any research other than to read Obama's own explaination. nt |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:25 PM |
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Look, even though there was another offer, he still feels bad about the situtation |
dkf |
Mar-30-08 06:32 PM |
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I have never seen him offer up that as an excuse either. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 06:44 PM |
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Yeah, but his mistake was in creating an appearance of a conflict |
dkf |
Mar-30-08 06:55 PM |
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The mistake is by doing business with someone who had problems unrelated to this transaction |
Cant trust em |
Mar-30-08 07:11 PM |
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Yeah, it shouldn't be here. |
Ravy |
Mar-30-08 09:35 PM |
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Anything you want to know can be found here: |
stillcool47 |
Mar-30-08 07:38 PM |
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Nope. But clinton's lies about Tuzla sure are fact. |
Zhade |
Mar-30-08 10:16 PM |
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So, that's your response to Clinton not paying her bills? Weak response. n/t |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 05:46 PM |
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good one anamandujano |
bellasgrams |
Mar-30-08 06:15 PM |
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So, who got stiffed in that transaction? The grocer? n/t |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 06:18 PM |
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It's the entitlement mentality at its ugliest: I'm the Queen, my coronation is coming up, let the |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 05:45 PM |
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I wonder where you got that idea? She has never said that...indeed Obama is the only one telling |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 07:21 PM |
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That statement is false: Obama has said precisely the opposite, that HRC can and should |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 07:28 PM |
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Come on. Do you not understand what is going on? Obama speaks through his surrogates |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 07:43 PM |
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So, as I said: no proof for your false assertion. Just an "Come on" and some blather about |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 07:47 PM |
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I am not certain what you are asking? |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 07:52 PM |
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You stated that Obama "called on" HRC to quit (see post #54 above, in case it's slipped your mind). |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 08:01 PM |
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Obama's campaign speaks for him. |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 08:07 PM |
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So, more semantics games and yet still no proof, linked or otherwise. About what I figured. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 08:13 PM |
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semantics? |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 08:23 PM |
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Still no linky-linky, huh? I well understand: non-existent "proof" is tough to come by. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 08:32 PM |
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What do you want a link for? |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 08:46 PM |
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Once again, from the top: |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-30-08 08:51 PM |
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And if you have not heard it you are deaf |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 08:54 PM |
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I don't have cable...how about a link for me then? |
Forkboy |
Mar-30-08 09:34 PM |
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Explain her not acting 'entitled' to these folks who she hasn't paid |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:29 PM |
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Really. That is what I mean. You create all sorts of scenarios just to hate her more |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-30-08 07:34 PM |
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People have sued her campaign to get paid!! |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 08:01 PM |
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She thought it would be over on Super Tuesday. Oops! |
panader0 |
Mar-30-08 05:46 PM |
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I agree it is a very good thing to pay one's bills, but is this really the #1 deal breaker for you? |
gristy |
Mar-30-08 05:48 PM |
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Paying my bills, taking things and services from others and paying for them |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 05:56 PM |
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If she hadn't already given me so many other reasons, yes, this would be the one that would break |
PetraPooh |
Mar-30-08 05:57 PM |
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It's an issues of integrity. Many of the people she ripped off are not mega-millionaires |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-30-08 06:14 PM |
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Well then, add the clause, "and LIES about her experience" |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 07:23 PM |
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It's the economy, stupid. |
dansolo |
Mar-30-08 07:50 PM |
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Since you are the one making the accusation, |
cbayer |
Mar-30-08 05:50 PM |
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Here you go, the list is too long to copy paste. |
PetraPooh |
Mar-30-08 06:00 PM |
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Thank you Petra! n/t |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 06:04 PM |
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YW, when I clinked on the link I was just dumbfounded at the length and breadth of the list. |
PetraPooh |
Mar-30-08 06:25 PM |
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Thank you for that. |
cbayer |
Mar-30-08 06:36 PM |
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Campaign debt is common; it gets paid after the election |
splat |
Mar-30-08 05:53 PM |
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Tell that to the people living month to month or the schools that |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 05:58 PM |
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Several of those business might be OUT of business at that time nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-30-08 06:16 PM |
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Well, usually it's only the last two months of unpaid bills |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 07:26 PM |
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$8.7 million - is she going to just write a check? |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:35 PM |
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Oh, that's a really old excuse. If that's true, then why are McCain and Obama not in so much debt? |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-08 08:11 PM |
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Obama's debt |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 09:05 PM |
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Exactly. |
AZBlue |
Mar-30-08 10:14 PM |
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As if. . . |
stellanoir |
Mar-30-08 05:54 PM |
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Her priorities speak volumes, don't they? |
Yael |
Mar-30-08 05:56 PM |
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she didn't tip that poor waitress either, until she was called out |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-30-08 06:13 PM |
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It sucks but it's probably a staffer screw-up. |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 06:18 PM |
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You are right, she may not know. I hope she knows now and I hope |
Raven |
Mar-30-08 06:20 PM |
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Uhm, no excuse, really, isn't that just a set up for her excuses when/if she leads the country? |
PetraPooh |
Mar-30-08 06:26 PM |
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Well it doesn't look good BUT any leader can have problems with a staffer screwing up. |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 06:33 PM |
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A staffer? Sorry, grasp at straws if you want, if she can't keep track of her finances and staffers |
PetraPooh |
Mar-30-08 07:59 PM |
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I sincerely doubt this.... |
tpsbmam |
Mar-30-08 06:36 PM |
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Go on believing your little fantasy |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 07:28 PM |
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Why attack me? |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 08:36 PM |
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Well then, sorry, I read your post wrong |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 10:18 PM |
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It was brought to her attention in January and she wrote a $5 million check |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:40 PM |
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I didn't know that these unpaid bills were part of the January situation |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 08:46 PM |
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This isn't her first time running for office |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 09:00 PM |
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As long as she doesn't make it a habit... |
stillcool47 |
Mar-30-08 07:49 PM |
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Heh, that seems fair to me! |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 08:42 PM |
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I don't think she is an ogre. However, she has to be aware of the FEC filings. |
Tatiana |
Mar-30-08 09:11 PM |
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I hope that's the case, although on some level, doesn't that |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 08:49 PM |
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Absolutely |
MH1 |
Mar-30-08 08:54 PM |
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She borrowed or put on the backs of small businesses, 85% of her funds in Feb.! n/t |
ORDem |
Mar-30-08 06:47 PM |
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Did this come up again? |
Cant trust em |
Mar-30-08 07:12 PM |
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Here's the link |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:44 PM |
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Sorry, Raven - it's all true |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:21 PM |
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Doesn't she have personal wealth |
merh |
Mar-30-08 07:38 PM |
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You'd think she'd give a damn about the small vendors and school districts |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:45 PM |
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She's desperate, and addicted to being POTUS. For that reason, |
Mike03 |
Mar-30-08 07:26 PM |
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How many times do I have to tell you people that she is a SCUMBAG? |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-30-08 07:29 PM |
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I knew that before I ever read your posts, my dear friend |
JayFredMuggs |
Mar-30-08 07:38 PM |
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In all fairness, this isn't much of a "deal breaker" |
bhikkhu |
Mar-30-08 07:42 PM |
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It's reflective of underlying character fault of HRC: she will do anything to win... |
PoliticalAmazon |
Mar-30-08 07:46 PM |
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Perhaps the bills are part of a crisis point |
bhikkhu |
Mar-30-08 07:56 PM |
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I don't enjoy it - I'm pissed off about it. |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 07:49 PM |
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Agreed, the details don't look good. She has not campaigned in my state (OR) |
bhikkhu |
Mar-30-08 08:08 PM |
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First, make sure your local vendors get cash up front or at the very least a credit card payment |
Debi |
Mar-30-08 08:15 PM |
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I hate getting ripped off...don't you? |
stillcool47 |
Mar-30-08 07:50 PM |
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kick. nt |
mckeown1128 |
Apr-01-08 09:11 PM |
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