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Reply #44: So regardless of what the Bible actually says, it says what you say it says? [View All]

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44. So regardless of what the Bible actually says, it says what you say it says?
There is one version of Christianity. The one in the Bible. You can criticize Christians for getting it wrong, but you can't Christianity for their misapprehensions any more that you can criticize cosmology for the fact that they believe the Earth is 6000 years old.

For the record, the sole New Testament verse upon which you hang your entire point says this:
τοις δε δειλοις και απιστοις και αμαρτωλοις και εβδελυγμενοις και φονευσιν και πορνοις και φαρμακοις και ειδωλολατραις και πασιν τοις ψευδεσιν το μερος αυτων εν τη λιμνη τη καιομενη πυρι και θειω ο εστιν ο θανατος ο δευτερος

"απιστοις" (apisteo) is "apostate." An apostate is someone who claims to believe something but really follows a corrupted belief. If there is any truth to this verse, it is the people misinterpreting the Bible who should be worried about it, not the people who never subscribed to it in the first place.

This verse is not about the kind of unbelievers who buy Sam Harris books.
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  The Rev. Wright controversy on DU is about atheists attacking Christians Bleachers7  Mar-26-08 11:33 AM   #0 
   Ummm....no  MercutioATC   Mar-26-08 11:35 AM   #1 
   /signed  Drachasor   Mar-26-08 11:39 AM   #4 
   atheist here too  Cheap_Trick   Mar-26-08 12:27 PM   #15 
      I'll make it 3  Maine-ah   Mar-26-08 12:54 PM   #32 
         You meant 4, silly  Drachasor   Mar-26-08 01:00 PM   #39 
            5 nt  WesDem   Mar-26-08 02:00 PM   #67 
   I don't see that  ellacott   Mar-26-08 11:35 AM   #2 
   Considering that the Bible contains passages which put unbelievers in the same category as...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 11:36 AM   #3 
   I expect them to be wary of fiery Rabbis  theredpen   Mar-26-08 11:52 AM   #10 
   Most of the Biblical passages which label infidels as evildoers...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:11 PM   #12 
      Not a single passage in the New Testament advocates doing anything bad to unbelievers  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:29 PM   #16 
      I haven't argued that the Bible advocates doing bad things to unbelievers.  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:45 PM   #22 
      OK, where does it say this?  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:53 PM   #31 
         See post #30. {EOM}  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:55 PM   #34 
      Hell is still being used to frighten people into becoming Christian  fifthoffive   Mar-26-08 12:50 PM   #25 
         Graham is mainstream only in America  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:52 PM   #28 
         Duh!  fifthoffive   Mar-26-08 01:52 PM   #62 
            They are NOT "mainstream". nt  skater314159   Mar-26-08 01:56 PM   #64 
         Only by Baptists, Fundamentalists, and Evangelicals.  skater314159   Mar-26-08 01:56 PM   #63 
      Actually...  skater314159   Mar-26-08 12:44 PM   #21 
         What I mean is that many Christians worship a God who they believe...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:48 PM   #24 
            "many Christians"  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:51 PM   # 
            Biblical passages which portray unbelievers as evildoers...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:53 PM   #30 
               First off, why do you insist on using the Authorised version?  skater314159   Mar-26-08 12:55 PM   #35 
               Regardless of what the Bible you read says...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:59 PM   #38 
                  So it doesn't matter if it REALLY says that or not?  skater314159   Mar-26-08 01:01 PM   #40 
                  What the Bible really says is often a matter of opinion.  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:04 PM   #42 
                     The Bible says what it says  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:10 PM   #45 
                     Bizzare reasoning. {EOM}  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:11 PM   #48 
                        What?  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:24 PM   #53 
                     Actually...  skater314159   Mar-26-08 01:50 PM   #60 
                        As a person who was raised Catholic, I can tell you that...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:57 PM   #65 
                           Maybe you need to be slapped by a nun again or something  theredpen   Mar-26-08 02:06 PM   #71 
                  So regardless of what the Bible actually says, it says what you say it says?  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:08 PM   #44 
                     I have clearly argued that the Bible is open to interpretation.  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:10 PM   #46 
                        You don't know what "Christians" believe their Bible says  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:23 PM   #50 
               So I'm right.  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:56 PM   #36 
                  The Gospel of John is in the Old Testament? The Epistle to the Hebrews is in the Old Testament?  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:03 PM   #41 
                     Oops  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:21 PM   #49 
                        A dead giveway? Huh? I don't deny that the passages I posted...  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:41 PM   #58 
                           Why did you decide that THEY get to define Christianity?  theredpen   Mar-26-08 01:49 PM   #59 
                           I'm not arguing that any one group gets to define Christianity. {EOM}  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 01:52 PM   #61 
                              Yes you are. You are INSISTING Fundamentalism *IS* Xianity. nt  skater314159   Mar-26-08 01:58 PM   #66 
                           You are wrong... it's NOT a majority...  skater314159   Mar-26-08 02:01 PM   #68 
                           Huh?  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 02:10 PM   #73 
                           Did you even read the post "oops"? Its from TRP, not me! nt  skater314159   Mar-26-08 02:03 PM   #69 
            They believe an impossiblity that contradicts basic Theology.  skater314159   Mar-26-08 02:14 PM   #74 
   Thinking all Christians believe that is a bigoted statement on your part.  skater314159   Mar-26-08 12:38 PM   #19 
      I don't consider Christianity to be monolithic. {EOM}  The Night Owl   Mar-26-08 12:51 PM   #27 
   You know, normally I'm hyper-sensitive to that, but I don't think it's the case this time.  theboss   Mar-26-08 11:42 AM   #5 
   True dat. nt  skater314159   Mar-26-08 12:48 PM   #23 
   no, it seems more like the kitchen sink being thrown at Obama  Lerkfish   Mar-26-08 11:47 AM   #6 
   Well, I am an atheist....  Hepburn   Mar-26-08 11:48 AM   #7 
   flamebait  Apollo11   Mar-26-08 11:50 AM   #8 
   WTF?  bunnies   Mar-26-08 11:51 AM   #9 
   I'm not atheist, but the OP really leaves me asking WTF?  madinmaryland   Mar-26-08 01:24 PM   #51 
   There is a well-established anti-religious tone on DU  theredpen   Mar-26-08 11:53 AM   #11 
   Totally, completely disagree. The Wright controversy is about Clinton supporters attacking  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-26-08 12:15 PM   #13 
   And Freepers...  theredpen   Mar-26-08 12:31 PM   #17 
   hmmm  swampg8r   Mar-26-08 12:21 PM   #14 
   Welcome to DU!  skater314159   Mar-26-08 12:53 PM   #29 
   No it's not. I'm an atheist and I agree with much of what he says. nt  Vinca   Mar-26-08 12:32 PM   #18 
   Bru ha ha ha ha ha  genie_weenie   Mar-26-08 12:39 PM   #20 
   Oh stop.  Mooney   Mar-26-08 12:51 PM   #26 
   I've only seen one or two threads that fit that description.  LittleClarkie   Mar-26-08 12:54 PM   #33 
   Fiddlesticks!  IMModerate   Mar-26-08 12:56 PM   #37 
   don't be silly, we atheists are the ones who liked what Wright said. n/t  Hamlette   Mar-26-08 01:05 PM   #43 
   There is a definite narrative of DU'ers who are uncomfortable with the fact...  dmesg   Mar-26-08 01:11 PM   #47 
   Those poor christians  JoFerret   Mar-26-08 01:24 PM   #52 
   Wright is an atheist? I doubt it. haha n/t  glenhappy   Mar-26-08 01:25 PM   #54 
   Hell-bound apostate and an Obama supporter here  northernsoul   Mar-26-08 01:25 PM   #55 
   No. It is really quite simple...  stillcool47   Mar-26-08 01:33 PM   #56 
   And what's wrong with atheists attacking Christians? It's a time honored tradition.  GodlessBiker   Mar-26-08 01:37 PM   #57 
   Why attack anyone?  skater314159   Mar-26-08 02:22 PM   #76 
      Oh, I don't know. Ask Mohamed Ali.  GodlessBiker   Mar-26-08 02:45 PM   #80 
         Hey, he didn't attack, he BOXED!!!  skater314159   Mar-26-08 07:32 PM   #82 
   I don't know what your thinking is, Bleach  WesDem   Mar-26-08 02:03 PM   #70 
   Seriously?  Indenturedebtor   Mar-26-08 02:10 PM   #72 
   Well this post is basically whiney bullshit  gmudem   Mar-26-08 02:16 PM   #75 
   So you say there isn't religion bashing here on DU? nt  skater314159   Mar-26-08 02:22 PM   #77 
      Did you read my post?  gmudem   Mar-26-08 04:11 PM   #81 
   Good...feed 'em to the lions again!  Forkboy   Mar-26-08 02:34 PM   #78 
   I'm a Pagan and I have strongly supported Wright.  yardwork   Mar-26-08 02:37 PM   #79 
 

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