ClassWarrior
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Mon Mar-24-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #42 |
| 44. No wonder she's losing. Lots of bullying, no substance. |
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And once again... ~crickets~  NGU. |
| -Clinton's core strategy: disenfranchise tens of millions of Democrats |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:20 PM |
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Don't you get it yet? |
leftofcool |
Mar-24-08 12:22 PM |
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Obama disenfranchised them |
OzarkDem |
Mar-24-08 12:22 PM |
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its amazing, isnt it? |
Texas Hill Country |
Mar-24-08 12:23 PM |
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What, both of your complete disconnection from reality? |
tasteblind |
Mar-24-08 03:44 PM |
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why not answer the question ? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:24 PM |
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Because I reject your premise |
OzarkDem |
Mar-24-08 01:49 PM |
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My "premise" has nothing to do with FL/MI. Do you support disenfrancisesment of "small state" Dems? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:54 PM |
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I agree - Obama's fear of a redo in Mich/Fl does not show "pro-democracy" thinking |
papau |
Mar-24-08 12:39 PM |
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Just "pro-Obama" thinking |
OzarkDem |
Mar-24-08 01:49 PM |
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Truth and Reality |
stillcool47 |
Mar-24-08 01:09 PM |
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Bullshit, the states disenfranchised their own voters on purpose |
themaguffin |
Mar-24-08 01:10 PM |
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We could argue FL and MI all day. But how do you defend "Big States" and "Popular Vote"??? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:56 PM |
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I'm in Florida |
RememberWellstone |
Mar-24-08 12:24 PM |
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well I voted in California which, according to you makes my vote count double! |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:47 PM |
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Elect better party leaders next time. |
wileedog |
Mar-24-08 01:45 PM |
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Vote out the idiots that keep screwing up your elections n/t |
GOTV |
Mar-24-08 03:49 PM |
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We could argue FL and MI all day. But how do you defend "Big States" and "Popular Vote"??? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:27 PM |
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Did Kennedy and Kerry disenfrancise the voters |
cricket08 |
Mar-24-08 12:35 PM |
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No. They voted their conscience - as we all must do. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:05 PM |
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I just want to point out |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-24-08 12:46 PM |
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That's why pledged dels are more important - their numbers are proportional to population. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:57 PM |
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That part is true |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-24-08 01:20 PM |
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Are the super delegates really not proportional? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:25 PM |
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It's like the electoral college in that way |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-24-08 01:32 PM |
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Unless they live in FL or MI |
lark |
Mar-24-08 06:29 PM |
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And those bigger states get many more delegates |
wileedog |
Mar-24-08 01:50 PM |
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It's been the Corporate RW's strategy for decades,ever since they discovered... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 12:49 PM |
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HA HA HA HA HA-- what a FOOLISH post |
rodeodance |
Mar-24-08 12:53 PM |
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then you should have no trouble explaining to us why these new justifications do not disenfranchise. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 12:58 PM |
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~crickets~ |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 01:07 PM |
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no need to be childish. What are you saying? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:11 PM |
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I'm saying I'm waiting for the poster to answer your question, and all I hear is... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 01:13 PM |
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sorry about jumping on you. What do "crickets" and "NGU" mean? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:17 PM |
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You ever hear a comedy bit where someone's waiting for an answer... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 01:22 PM |
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excellent. So "crickets" is the resounding sound of ... S I L E N C E |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:27 PM |
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Exactly. |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 01:32 PM |
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Caucuses inherently disenfranchise a large swath of voters. |
tritsofme |
Mar-24-08 01:02 PM |
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It's not a "popular vote" unless everybody can cast a vote. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:10 PM |
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Why do you keep saying the popular vote doesn't include caucuses? |
zlt234 |
Mar-24-08 01:35 PM |
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Participation in caucuses is miniscule compared to participation in primaries. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:47 PM |
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this isn't a "game" |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 01:40 PM |
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So Obama's victories "don't matter" because you know which states will go red this year? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:52 PM |
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Yes, it's the Clinton "15-State Strategy." |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 01:56 PM |
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I know it because I pay attention |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 02:05 PM |
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So why doesn't the party give more pledged delegates to swing states? or big states? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:10 PM |
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big states DO get more super delegates |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 04:39 PM |
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All the factors you list would affect MY thinking. In fact... they all DID. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 05:18 PM |
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"one candidate moves far enough ahead |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 05:56 PM |
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Participation in caucuses is minuscule compared to participation in primaries. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 08:20 PM |
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um... but isn't the reverse also true? |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 10:44 PM |
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That's an interesting perspective. I'm not arguing in favor of having caucuses... |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-25-08 01:08 AM |
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you should look up with "disenfranchise" means |
MonkeyFunk |
Mar-24-08 01:57 PM |
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Then tell us what it means, and why it does not apply here. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 01:59 PM |
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No wonder she's losing. Lots of bullying, no substance. |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 02:06 PM |
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shove those crickets |
MonkeyFunk |
Mar-24-08 02:23 PM |
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Yep, your life revolves around bashing people who disagree with you. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 02:29 PM |
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Another fine HRC strategy. Call the voters "idiots" when they ask for substance. |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 03:46 PM |
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People who vote |
MonkeyFunk |
Mar-24-08 02:22 PM |
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"Small-state" Democrats ARE having their votes discounted - by YOU ! |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 02:28 PM |
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Not exactly. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 03:01 PM |
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that's a technical arguement that doesn't wash |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:13 PM |
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It washes PERFECTLY. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 03:26 PM |
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Tide? |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 04:59 PM |
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It depends on the language used. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 05:11 PM |
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I'm not arguing that winning w/ super delegates isn't really winning. But |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-25-08 01:22 AM |
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NO ONE is being Disenfranchised. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 02:34 PM |
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so a Democrat who's primary vote is discounted is NOT disenfranchised?? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 02:45 PM |
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You have no RIGHT to vote in the primary. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 03:00 PM |
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hmmm... no "right" eh? That's the democratic spirt. You go with that. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:16 PM |
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You may not like it, but it is correct. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 03:24 PM |
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so... why bother having a primary ? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:35 PM |
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Then frame your argument correctly. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 03:42 PM |
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I understand. But there is a common, non-legalistic understanding of the term "disenfranchisment". |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:48 PM |
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The problem is the power the term carries... |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 04:01 PM |
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what word would describe it then, and still carry the full weight of the outrage? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 04:04 PM |
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Outrage. |
Milo_Bloom |
Mar-24-08 04:23 PM |
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EXACTLY - |
lark |
Mar-24-08 06:34 PM |
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This is why the primary needs to continue as planned and not stop prematurely. |
McCamy Taylor |
Mar-24-08 03:41 PM |
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but the longer Democrats fight with themselves, the further McCain cements his lead. n/t |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:42 PM |
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No, there will be four months for a unified Democratic Party to take McCain down. |
McCamy Taylor |
Mar-24-08 03:45 PM |
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GOD I hope you're right. Why the HELL can't Obama AND Clinton go after McCain NOW ??? |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 03:51 PM |
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It's even deeper than that. The RW already has a script in place for the Clintons... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 03:51 PM |
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That's just plain silly |
lark |
Mar-24-08 06:44 PM |
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The work isn't the finding or making up of the dirt. It's the process of... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 10:34 PM |
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I think you've got it completely backwards |
paulk |
Mar-25-08 10:11 AM |
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Thank you for the voice of reason!!! |
lark |
Mar-24-08 06:39 PM |
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Obama has never taken any other tact. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-25-08 12:56 AM |
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Caucuses themselves disenfranchize most voters. n/t |
glenhappy |
Mar-24-08 03:55 PM |
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agreed. but you can't change rules in the MIDDLE of the primary race. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 04:00 PM |
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a point I would like to make - |
paulk |
Mar-24-08 06:02 PM |
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Nope. Only perceptions. |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 06:23 PM |
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Yup. Popular vote stinks...what does she think we are ? A democracy or something? |
robbedvoter |
Mar-24-08 06:03 PM |
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There's no such thing as a "popular vote" unless everyone gets an equal chance to cast a vote. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-24-08 08:11 PM |
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SHE SHOULD BOW OUT GRACEFULLY. OBAMA WON FAIR AND SQUARE. SHE CAN'T WIN. SO DO THE DEMS RIGHT |
AmericanUnity |
Mar-24-08 08:21 PM |
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I hope no person with integrity is |
zidzi |
Mar-24-08 08:25 PM |
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Sorry, but THE RULES ARE THE RULES. No one is disenfranchising anyone by appealing to |
Mezzo |
Mar-24-08 10:36 PM |
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The point is that the only way HRC can clinch it is by strong-arming the SDs. |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-08 11:04 PM |
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There was also the electoral college map pushed by the Clinton campaign. |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-24-08 10:40 PM |
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dozens of states - not important |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-25-08 01:10 AM |
#96 |
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