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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:06 PM
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44. No wonder she's losing. Lots of bullying, no substance.
And once again... ~crickets~



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  -Clinton's core strategy: disenfranchise tens of millions of Democrats DeadElephant_ORG  Mar-24-08 12:20 PM   #0 
  - Don't you get it yet?  leftofcool   Mar-24-08 12:22 PM   #1 
  - Obama disenfranchised them  OzarkDem   Mar-24-08 12:22 PM   #2 
  - its amazing, isnt it?  Texas Hill Country   Mar-24-08 12:23 PM   #3 
  - What, both of your complete disconnection from reality?  tasteblind   Mar-24-08 03:44 PM   #61 
  - why not answer the question ?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 12:24 PM   #4 
  - Because I reject your premise  OzarkDem   Mar-24-08 01:49 PM   #34 
     - My "premise" has nothing to do with FL/MI. Do you support disenfrancisesment of "small state" Dems?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:54 PM   #38 
  - I agree - Obama's fear of a redo in Mich/Fl does not show "pro-democracy" thinking  papau   Mar-24-08 12:39 PM   #8 
  - Just "pro-Obama" thinking  OzarkDem   Mar-24-08 01:49 PM   #35 
  - Truth and Reality  stillcool47   Mar-24-08 01:09 PM   #18 
  - Bullshit, the states disenfranchised their own voters on purpose  themaguffin   Mar-24-08 01:10 PM   #20 
  - We could argue FL and MI all day. But how do you defend "Big States" and "Popular Vote"???  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:56 PM   #40 
  - I'm in Florida  RememberWellstone   Mar-24-08 12:24 PM   #5 
  - well I voted in California which, according to you makes my vote count double!  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 12:47 PM   #10 
  - Elect better party leaders next time.  wileedog   Mar-24-08 01:45 PM   #32 
  - Vote out the idiots that keep screwing up your elections n/t  GOTV   Mar-24-08 03:49 PM   #65 
  - We could argue FL and MI all day. But how do you defend "Big States" and "Popular Vote"???  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 12:27 PM   #6 
  - Did Kennedy and Kerry disenfrancise the voters  cricket08   Mar-24-08 12:35 PM   #7 
  - No. They voted their conscience - as we all must do.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:05 PM   #16 
  - I just want to point out  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-24-08 12:46 PM   #9 
  - That's why pledged dels are more important - their numbers are proportional to population.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 12:57 PM   #13 
  - That part is true  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-24-08 01:20 PM   #24 
  - Are the super delegates really not proportional?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:25 PM   #26 
     - It's like the electoral college in that way  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-24-08 01:32 PM   #28 
  - Unless they live in FL or MI  lark   Mar-24-08 06:29 PM   #81 
  - And those bigger states get many more delegates  wileedog   Mar-24-08 01:50 PM   #36 
  - It's been the Corporate RW's strategy for decades,ever since they discovered...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 12:49 PM   #11 
  - HA HA HA HA HA-- what a FOOLISH post  rodeodance   Mar-24-08 12:53 PM   #12 
  - then you should have no trouble explaining to us why these new justifications do not disenfranchise.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 12:58 PM   #14 
     - ~crickets~  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 01:07 PM   #17 
        - no need to be childish. What are you saying?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:11 PM   #21 
           - I'm saying I'm waiting for the poster to answer your question, and all I hear is...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 01:13 PM   #22 
              - sorry about jumping on you. What do "crickets" and "NGU" mean?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:17 PM   #23 
                 - You ever hear a comedy bit where someone's waiting for an answer...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 01:22 PM   #25 
                    - excellent. So "crickets" is the resounding sound of ... S I L E N C E  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:27 PM   #27 
                       - Exactly.  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 01:32 PM   #29 
  - Caucuses inherently disenfranchise a large swath of voters.  tritsofme   Mar-24-08 01:02 PM   #15 
  - It's not a "popular vote" unless everybody can cast a vote.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:10 PM   #19 
     - Why do you keep saying the popular vote doesn't include caucuses?  zlt234   Mar-24-08 01:35 PM   #30 
     - Participation in caucuses is miniscule compared to participation in primaries.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:47 PM   #33 
     - this isn't a "game"  paulk   Mar-24-08 01:40 PM   #31 
        - So Obama's victories "don't matter" because you know which states will go red this year?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:52 PM   #37 
           - Yes, it's the Clinton "15-State Strategy."  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 01:56 PM   #39 
           - I know it because I pay attention  paulk   Mar-24-08 02:05 PM   #43 
              - So why doesn't the party give more pledged delegates to swing states? or big states?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:10 PM   #53 
                 - big states DO get more super delegates  paulk   Mar-24-08 04:39 PM   #73 
                    - All the factors you list would affect MY thinking. In fact... they all DID.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 05:18 PM   #76 
                       - "one candidate moves far enough ahead  paulk   Mar-24-08 05:56 PM   #77 
                          - Participation in caucuses is minuscule compared to participation in primaries.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 08:20 PM   #86 
                             - um... but isn't the reverse also true?  paulk   Mar-24-08 10:44 PM   #92 
                                - That's an interesting perspective. I'm not arguing in favor of having caucuses...  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-25-08 01:08 AM   #95 
  - you should look up with "disenfranchise" means  MonkeyFunk   Mar-24-08 01:57 PM   #41 
  - Then tell us what it means, and why it does not apply here.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 01:59 PM   #42 
     - No wonder she's losing. Lots of bullying, no substance.  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 02:06 PM   #44 
     - shove those crickets  MonkeyFunk   Mar-24-08 02:23 PM   #46 
        - Yep, your life revolves around bashing people who disagree with you.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 02:29 PM   #48 
        - Another fine HRC strategy. Call the voters "idiots" when they ask for substance.  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 03:46 PM   #63 
     - People who vote  MonkeyFunk   Mar-24-08 02:22 PM   #45 
        - "Small-state" Democrats ARE having their votes discounted - by YOU !  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 02:28 PM   #47 
        - Not exactly.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 03:01 PM   #52 
        - that's a technical arguement that doesn't wash  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:13 PM   #54 
           - It washes PERFECTLY.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 03:26 PM   #57 
              - Tide?  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 04:59 PM   #74 
                 - It depends on the language used.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 05:11 PM   #75 
        - I'm not arguing that winning w/ super delegates isn't really winning. But  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-25-08 01:22 AM   #97 
  - NO ONE is being Disenfranchised.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 02:34 PM   #49 
  - so a Democrat who's primary vote is discounted is NOT disenfranchised??  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 02:45 PM   #50 
     - You have no RIGHT to vote in the primary.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 03:00 PM   #51 
        - hmmm... no "right" eh? That's the democratic spirt. You go with that.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:16 PM   #55 
           - You may not like it, but it is correct.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 03:24 PM   #56 
              - so... why bother having a primary ?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:35 PM   #58 
                 - Then frame your argument correctly.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 03:42 PM   # 
                    - I understand. But there is a common, non-legalistic understanding of the term "disenfranchisment".  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:48 PM   #64 
                       - The problem is the power the term carries...  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 04:01 PM   #70 
                       - what word would describe it then, and still carry the full weight of the outrage?  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 04:04 PM   #71 
                          - Outrage.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-24-08 04:23 PM   #72 
                       - EXACTLY -  lark   Mar-24-08 06:34 PM   #82 
  - This is why the primary needs to continue as planned and not stop prematurely.  McCamy Taylor   Mar-24-08 03:41 PM   #59 
  - but the longer Democrats fight with themselves, the further McCain cements his lead. n/t  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:42 PM   #60 
  - No, there will be four months for a unified Democratic Party to take McCain down.  McCamy Taylor   Mar-24-08 03:45 PM   #62 
  - GOD I hope you're right. Why the HELL can't Obama AND Clinton go after McCain NOW ???  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 03:51 PM   #66 
  - It's even deeper than that. The RW already has a script in place for the Clintons...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 03:51 PM   #67 
     - That's just plain silly  lark   Mar-24-08 06:44 PM   #84 
     - The work isn't the finding or making up of the dirt. It's the process of...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 10:34 PM   #89 
     - I think you've got it completely backwards  paulk   Mar-25-08 10:11 AM   #98 
  - Thank you for the voice of reason!!!  lark   Mar-24-08 06:39 PM   #83 
     - Obama has never taken any other tact.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-25-08 12:56 AM   #94 
  - Caucuses themselves disenfranchize most voters. n/t  glenhappy   Mar-24-08 03:55 PM   #68 
  - agreed. but you can't change rules in the MIDDLE of the primary race.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 04:00 PM   #69 
     - a point I would like to make -  paulk   Mar-24-08 06:02 PM   #78 
        - Nope. Only perceptions.  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 06:23 PM   #80 
  - Yup. Popular vote stinks...what does she think we are ? A democracy or something?  robbedvoter   Mar-24-08 06:03 PM   #79 
  - There's no such thing as a "popular vote" unless everyone gets an equal chance to cast a vote.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-24-08 08:11 PM   #85 
  - I hope no person with integrity is  zidzi   Mar-24-08 08:25 PM   #88 
  - Sorry, but THE RULES ARE THE RULES. No one is disenfranchising anyone by appealing to  Mezzo   Mar-24-08 10:36 PM   #90 
  - The point is that the only way HRC can clinch it is by strong-arming the SDs.  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-08 11:04 PM   #93 
  - There was also the electoral college map pushed by the Clinton campaign.  PseudoIntellect   Mar-24-08 10:40 PM   #91 
  - dozens of states - not important  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-25-08 01:10 AM   #96 

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