metalluk
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Sun Mar-23-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #24 |
| 31. Sorry to disappoint you. |
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I have no connection with any campaign.
Those who have read my other posts know that I am a Clinton supporter, but my purpose in writing this piece was merely to anticipate what an Obama presidency is likely to bring in the way of foreign policy.
I looked at the Obama foreign policy proposals and made no attempt to draw a contrast with either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.
I am not implying by this piece that a vote for any one of the candidates, based on foreign policy issues alone, is clearly better than a vote for one of the other candidates. I am simply expressing my deep concern about the wisdom of the Obama team's foreign policy ideas, from a liberal perspective. It is the same old, same old.
My conclusion is simply that we are once again in deep poop if Obama is elected. That may very well be equally the case with the other two.
I very much regret that the foreign policy now offered by the left is indistinguishable from that offered by the right with respect to a genuine intention to deal constructively or fairly with those countries and peoples that have interests contrary to those of America. I regret that both the left and the right have now married themselves to the neocon objectives.
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| -Obama's Neoconservative Foreign Policy Agenda |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 05:00 PM |
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Guess you missed the G-D Amer, Chickens Come Home, talks of his mentor |
Sensitivity |
Mar-23-08 05:02 PM |
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No, I read some of Wright's views and |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:23 PM |
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Still digesting that |
JoFerret |
Mar-23-08 05:04 PM |
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Umm.... |
NJSecularist |
Mar-23-08 05:09 PM |
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Really? |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:26 PM |
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For all the flaws that you can argue are there, it is better than Hillary's or McCain's plans |
Drachasor |
Mar-23-08 05:10 PM |
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Please clarify! |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:37 PM |
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Your facts are lousy, and your arguments don't jive with Obama's official stance on these issues! |
Drachasor |
Mar-23-08 11:59 PM |
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So, his speech last week was NOT factual? |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 08:17 AM |
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You're being silly, just because he didn't mention every aspect of his platform... |
Drachasor |
Mar-24-08 11:28 AM |
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I don't agree. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:46 PM |
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Given your standard, I assume you think Hillary is just as bad |
Drachasor |
Mar-24-08 04:14 PM |
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Your essay ignores one important thing. |
Bonobo |
Mar-23-08 05:10 PM |
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A response. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:50 PM |
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His essay actually ignores the stated positions of the Obama Campaign |
Drachasor |
Mar-24-08 12:00 AM |
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My post was based on their own words. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:51 PM |
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No sale. If you know anything about people like Samantha Power |
mmonk |
Mar-23-08 05:13 PM |
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I am simply responding to what he himself stated |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:52 PM |
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And you ignore the context of his actually stated policies, reading in your own fears |
Drachasor |
Mar-24-08 12:01 AM |
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Quite the contrary. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:54 PM |
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OK, let me get his, Obama is a neocon...OK, sure...couldn't you have put that in one sentence? |
Sulawesi |
Mar-23-08 05:32 PM |
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Not really. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 08:56 PM |
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Sixteen months? He's promising to end the war in 2009. Which is true? |
rug |
Mar-23-08 08:56 PM |
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Neither of the above. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 09:02 PM |
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thanks for you post |
rodeodance |
Mar-23-08 09:06 PM |
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The headline of your post is so ridiculous that I entered in the hopes that |
hulka38 |
Mar-23-08 09:07 PM |
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I understand |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 09:13 PM |
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I'll do that. Allow me to get some perspective of where you're coming from. |
hulka38 |
Mar-23-08 09:29 PM |
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I'll try. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:14 PM |
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how does Obama differ from Reed on Iraq? |
Enrique |
Mar-24-08 07:06 AM |
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You asked all of the qualifying question there. |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Mar-24-08 06:11 PM |
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The bottom line is |
itsjustme |
Mar-23-08 09:34 PM |
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I'll give you a straight answer |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:33 PM |
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thank you, and one more thing |
itsjustme |
Mar-24-08 08:30 AM |
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Neocon foreign policy is required of any candidate vetted by the haves and have mores |
eridani |
Mar-23-08 09:09 PM |
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I'm not sure that I agree. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 09:25 PM |
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I think your timing is off. Neocons have been around since PNAC |
eridani |
Mar-24-08 12:10 AM |
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Around but not in charge 'til 2000 |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 08:58 AM |
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True. Intelligent imperialism gets fewer people killed than stupid imperialism |
eridani |
Mar-24-08 09:17 PM |
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didnt read the whole thing |
mkultra |
Mar-23-08 09:22 PM |
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Stephen Zunes doesn't agree with you: |
babylonsister |
Mar-23-08 09:26 PM |
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Thanks for the link to a piece of biased campaign propaganda. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 10:24 PM |
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Umm.. *snicker*... steven zunes and FPIF have been around for years and are |
Political Heretic |
Mar-23-08 10:38 PM |
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With all due respect, |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:54 PM |
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Anything you don't agree with is biased; got it. Your motives are showing. nt |
babylonsister |
Mar-24-08 05:49 AM |
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No. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 08:28 AM |
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Take this as a compliment... |
sellitman |
Mar-23-08 09:30 PM |
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Sorry to disappoint you. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 10:35 PM |
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metalluk, you've posted a lot of words in your thread |
hulka38 |
Mar-24-08 12:00 AM |
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Only so many hours |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:36 AM |
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So what do you suggest, vote Nader in 08? |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-23-08 09:38 PM |
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No. |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 10:41 PM |
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It looks far bleaker with McCain in office. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-24-08 06:40 AM |
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I am not promoting McCain |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:57 PM |
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What part of his view on the occupation of Iraq are you unclear about? |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-24-08 05:57 PM |
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I haven't read this, but I sense it's an attempt at a twisted copy cat post |
Emit |
Mar-23-08 09:46 PM |
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Well, he/she has a lot to respond to but I still can't gat a handle |
hulka38 |
Mar-23-08 09:56 PM |
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K&R |
guruoo |
Mar-23-08 10:28 PM |
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Who do you suggest we vote for? |
Political Heretic |
Mar-23-08 10:39 PM |
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From a foreign policy perspective alone, |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:26 PM |
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So I'm going to file your post under my "no shit sherlock" category, |
Political Heretic |
Mar-24-08 02:21 AM |
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what a joke, obama had the least hawkish foreign policy of any of the original candidates aside from |
LordJFT |
Mar-23-08 10:42 PM |
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Have you actually read |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:40 PM |
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yes I've read some of his fp proposals, but no I haven't seen or heard his speech on Iraq yet |
LordJFT |
Mar-24-08 12:23 AM |
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Both Dem candidates get quite a bit of slack from this pacifist |
gristy |
Mar-23-08 10:48 PM |
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Yes, that's true, but |
metalluk |
Mar-23-08 11:46 PM |
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The bottom line for me is |
TragedyandHope |
Mar-23-08 11:34 PM |
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Thanks for a thoughtful post. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:13 AM |
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Neoconservatism, at its core, doesn't really have a lot to do with the Middle East. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-24-08 12:16 AM |
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Your definition of "Neoconservatism" |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 07:52 AM |
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neo liberalism does |
madrchsod |
Mar-24-08 09:40 PM |
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Adding to that, he just praised Bush Sr on his handling of foreign policy |
pirhana |
Mar-24-08 12:51 AM |
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Well, I'm sorry to disagree but |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 08:24 AM |
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Then why is the NRO bashing Obama so hard? |
PerfectSage |
Mar-24-08 01:32 AM |
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Actually, |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 08:45 AM |
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Thank you for your thoughtful post! |
crispini |
Mar-24-08 08:40 AM |
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the McCarthy comments are telling as well. nt |
Mezzo |
Mar-24-08 10:10 AM |
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Not according to most sane people |
TOJ |
Mar-24-08 11:31 AM |
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Sanity is not the issue. |
metalluk |
Mar-24-08 12:36 PM |
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clinton foreign policies? no thanks |
madrchsod |
Mar-24-08 09:38 PM |
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