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metalluk Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. Sorry to disappoint you.
I have no connection with any campaign.

Those who have read my other posts know that I am a Clinton supporter, but my purpose in writing this piece was merely to anticipate what an Obama presidency is likely to bring in the way of foreign policy.

I looked at the Obama foreign policy proposals and made no attempt to draw a contrast with either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.

I am not implying by this piece that a vote for any one of the candidates, based on foreign policy issues alone, is clearly better than a vote for one of the other candidates. I am simply expressing my deep concern about the wisdom of the Obama team's foreign policy ideas, from a liberal perspective. It is the same old, same old.

My conclusion is simply that we are once again in deep poop if Obama is elected. That may very well be equally the case with the other two.

I very much regret that the foreign policy now offered by the left is indistinguishable from that offered by the right with respect to a genuine intention to deal constructively or fairly with those countries and peoples that have interests contrary to those of America. I regret that both the left and the right have now married themselves to the neocon objectives.
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  -Obama's Neoconservative Foreign Policy Agenda metalluk  Mar-23-08 05:00 PM   #0 
  - Guess you missed the G-D Amer, Chickens Come Home, talks of his mentor  Sensitivity   Mar-23-08 05:02 PM   #1 
  - No, I read some of Wright's views and  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:23 PM   #8 
  - Still digesting that  JoFerret   Mar-23-08 05:04 PM   #2 
  - Umm....  NJSecularist   Mar-23-08 05:09 PM   #3 
  - Really?  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:26 PM   #9 
  - For all the flaws that you can argue are there, it is better than Hillary's or McCain's plans  Drachasor   Mar-23-08 05:10 PM   #4 
  - Please clarify!  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:37 PM   #10 
     - Your facts are lousy, and your arguments don't jive with Obama's official stance on these issues!  Drachasor   Mar-23-08 11:59 PM   #44 
        - So, his speech last week was NOT factual?  metalluk   Mar-24-08 08:17 AM   #60 
           - You're being silly, just because he didn't mention every aspect of his platform...  Drachasor   Mar-24-08 11:28 AM   #68 
              - I don't agree.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:46 PM   #71 
                 - Given your standard, I assume you think Hillary is just as bad  Drachasor   Mar-24-08 04:14 PM   #75 
  - Your essay ignores one important thing.  Bonobo   Mar-23-08 05:10 PM   #5 
  - A response.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:50 PM   #11 
  - His essay actually ignores the stated positions of the Obama Campaign  Drachasor   Mar-24-08 12:00 AM   #46 
     - My post was based on their own words.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:51 PM   #72 
  - No sale. If you know anything about people like Samantha Power  mmonk   Mar-23-08 05:13 PM   #6 
  - I am simply responding to what he himself stated  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:52 PM   #12 
     - And you ignore the context of his actually stated policies, reading in your own fears  Drachasor   Mar-24-08 12:01 AM   #47 
        - Quite the contrary.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:54 PM   #73 
  - OK, let me get his, Obama is a neocon...OK, sure...couldn't you have put that in one sentence?  Sulawesi   Mar-23-08 05:32 PM   #7 
  - Not really.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 08:56 PM   #14 
  - Sixteen months? He's promising to end the war in 2009. Which is true?  rug   Mar-23-08 08:56 PM   #13 
  - Neither of the above.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 09:02 PM   #15 
  - thanks for you post  rodeodance   Mar-23-08 09:06 PM   #16 
  - The headline of your post is so ridiculous that I entered in the hopes that  hulka38   Mar-23-08 09:07 PM   #17 
  - I understand  metalluk   Mar-23-08 09:13 PM   #19 
     - I'll do that. Allow me to get some perspective of where you're coming from.  hulka38   Mar-23-08 09:29 PM   #23 
     - I'll try.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:14 PM   #37 
     - how does Obama differ from Reed on Iraq?  Enrique   Mar-24-08 07:06 AM   #58 
     - You asked all of the qualifying question there.  Zodiak Ironfist   Mar-24-08 06:11 PM   #77 
     - The bottom line is  itsjustme   Mar-23-08 09:34 PM   #25 
        - I'll give you a straight answer  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:33 PM   #39 
           - thank you, and one more thing  itsjustme   Mar-24-08 08:30 AM   #63 
  - Neocon foreign policy is required of any candidate vetted by the haves and have mores  eridani   Mar-23-08 09:09 PM   #18 
  - I'm not sure that I agree.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 09:25 PM   #21 
     - I think your timing is off. Neocons have been around since PNAC  eridani   Mar-24-08 12:10 AM   #48 
        - Around but not in charge 'til 2000  metalluk   Mar-24-08 08:58 AM   #66 
           - True. Intelligent imperialism gets fewer people killed than stupid imperialism  eridani   Mar-24-08 09:17 PM   #78 
  - didnt read the whole thing  mkultra   Mar-23-08 09:22 PM   #20 
  - Stephen Zunes doesn't agree with you:  babylonsister   Mar-23-08 09:26 PM   #22 
  - Thanks for the link to a piece of biased campaign propaganda.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 10:24 PM   #29 
     - Umm.. *snicker*... steven zunes and FPIF have been around for years and are  Political Heretic   Mar-23-08 10:38 PM   #32 
     - With all due respect,  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:54 PM   #43 
     - Anything you don't agree with is biased; got it. Your motives are showing. nt  babylonsister   Mar-24-08 05:49 AM   #56 
        - No.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 08:28 AM   #62 
  - Take this as a compliment...  sellitman   Mar-23-08 09:30 PM   #24 
  - Sorry to disappoint you.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 10:35 PM   #31 
     - metalluk, you've posted a lot of words in your thread  hulka38   Mar-24-08 12:00 AM   #45 
        - Only so many hours  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:36 AM   #52 
  - So what do you suggest, vote Nader in 08?  Warren Stupidity   Mar-23-08 09:38 PM   #26 
  - No.  metalluk   Mar-23-08 10:41 PM   #34 
     - It looks far bleaker with McCain in office.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-24-08 06:40 AM   #57 
        - I am not promoting McCain  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:57 PM   #74 
           - What part of his view on the occupation of Iraq are you unclear about?  Warren Stupidity   Mar-24-08 05:57 PM   #76 
  - I haven't read this, but I sense it's an attempt at a twisted copy cat post  Emit   Mar-23-08 09:46 PM   #27 
  - Well, he/she has a lot to respond to but I still can't gat a handle  hulka38   Mar-23-08 09:56 PM   #28 
  - K&R  guruoo   Mar-23-08 10:28 PM   #30 
  - Who do you suggest we vote for?  Political Heretic   Mar-23-08 10:39 PM   #33 
  - From a foreign policy perspective alone,  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:26 PM   #38 
     - So I'm going to file your post under my "no shit sherlock" category,  Political Heretic   Mar-24-08 02:21 AM   #55 
  - what a joke, obama had the least hawkish foreign policy of any of the original candidates aside from  LordJFT   Mar-23-08 10:42 PM   #35 
  - Have you actually read  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:40 PM   #41 
     - yes I've read some of his fp proposals, but no I haven't seen or heard his speech on Iraq yet  LordJFT   Mar-24-08 12:23 AM   #51 
  - Both Dem candidates get quite a bit of slack from this pacifist  gristy   Mar-23-08 10:48 PM   #36 
  - Yes, that's true, but  metalluk   Mar-23-08 11:46 PM   #42 
  - The bottom line for me is  TragedyandHope   Mar-23-08 11:34 PM   #40 
  - Thanks for a thoughtful post.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:13 AM   #49 
  - Neoconservatism, at its core, doesn't really have a lot to do with the Middle East.  anonymous171   Mar-24-08 12:16 AM   #50 
  - Your definition of "Neoconservatism"  metalluk   Mar-24-08 07:52 AM   #59 
  - neo liberalism does  madrchsod   Mar-24-08 09:40 PM   #80 
  - Adding to that, he just praised Bush Sr on his handling of foreign policy  pirhana   Mar-24-08 12:51 AM   #53 
  - Well, I'm sorry to disagree but  metalluk   Mar-24-08 08:24 AM   #61 
  - Then why is the NRO bashing Obama so hard?  PerfectSage   Mar-24-08 01:32 AM   #54 
  - Actually,  metalluk   Mar-24-08 08:45 AM   #65 
  - Thank you for your thoughtful post!  crispini   Mar-24-08 08:40 AM   #64 
  - the McCarthy comments are telling as well. nt  Mezzo   Mar-24-08 10:10 AM   #67 
  - Not according to most sane people  TOJ   Mar-24-08 11:31 AM   #69 
  - Sanity is not the issue.  metalluk   Mar-24-08 12:36 PM   #70 
  - clinton foreign policies? no thanks  madrchsod   Mar-24-08 09:38 PM   #79 
 

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