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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:51 PM
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  -My problem with Obamas Speech on Race Tom Rinaldo  Mar-22-08 02:28 AM   #0 
  - Obama Is Not About Race  lligrd   Mar-22-08 02:40 AM   #1 
  - For the very reasons he gave in his speech he needed to address it  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 02:49 AM   #2 
  - I'm not sure the country was ready to listen before his speech though  Drachasor   Mar-22-08 03:07 AM   #3 
  - Exactly And When Called Upon To Do So  lligrd   Mar-22-08 03:31 AM   #6 
  - Obama's campaign has been more than a campaign for black America....  earthlover   Mar-22-08 06:49 AM   #11 
  - Of course Obama is not and was not "the black candidate" running  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 07:40 AM   #15 
  - This exact speech would not have been called for a year ago  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 11:04 AM   #19 
  - And for your thoughtful commentary  JoFerret   Mar-23-08 04:22 AM   #55 
  - Who forced him now?  JoFerret   Mar-22-08 08:00 AM   #18 
  - check it  NickMorgan   Mar-22-08 03:20 AM   #4 
  - It is well written, but the logic of the piece is not well founded.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-08 03:36 AM   #8 
  - I have to dismiss you entire article......  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-08 03:31 AM   #5 
  - Fairly or not, there already was talk about Rev. Wright being controversial  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 07:35 AM   #14 
  - this was the best time for him to address race, it was the most relevant when he did it  goletian   Mar-22-08 03:35 AM   #7 
  - Aye......  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-08 03:38 AM   #9 
     - that too, he was trying to keep everyone focused on the issues, not his color - nt  goletian   Mar-22-08 04:07 AM   #10 
  - The time is always right to do what is right. MLK, Jr.  elizm   Mar-22-08 06:57 AM   #12 
  - Timing is everything and Obama lucked out on this one.  susankh4   Mar-22-08 07:07 AM   #13 
  - I agree with FrenchieCat on one thing  TexasLady   Mar-22-08 07:55 AM   #16 
  - Racism is itself ridiculous. That is where all logic breaks down, but it exists n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 11:05 AM   #20 
  - Excellent. Thank-you  JoFerret   Mar-22-08 07:57 AM   #17 
  - BALONEY, Tom....He planned to make this speech in the GENERAL when the greater attention  blm   Mar-22-08 11:08 AM   #21 
  - I don't mind your strong disagreement, I don't take it personally :)  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 11:18 AM   #23 
     - That dialogue should've started as the KNOWN nominee in April and be well into it by May  blm   Mar-22-08 11:23 AM   #25 
        - It actually took hours for me to write this OP  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 01:57 PM   #28 
           - And instead of joining together to HAVE the dialogue furthered meritoriously, what do we have?  blm   Mar-22-08 02:16 PM   #31 
  - There were a lot of things wrong with his speech!  shellinaya   Mar-22-08 11:17 AM   #22 
  - I agree in one respect  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 11:22 AM   #24 
  - Tom, I read the entire piece you wrote twice. I read it slowly and thoughtfully.  Bonobo   Mar-22-08 11:31 AM   #26 
  - Thanks for taking my OP so seriously, and for your thoughtful reply  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 12:59 PM   #27 
     - I guess I'm left not really understanding what the source of your objection to Obama is.  Bonobo   Mar-22-08 04:23 PM   #40 
        - For one thing I am not an opponent of Obama  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 07:42 PM   #47 
  - your opening sentences says it all.....k&r  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-22-08 02:10 PM   #29 
  - My problem is that he sought to excuse Wright for his attacks by  anamandujano   Mar-22-08 02:15 PM   #30 
  - Because minds and ears have been closing at an alarming rate on message boards  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 02:26 PM   #33 
     - Both you and Ana have made some excellent points and I thank you for them.  spooky3   Mar-22-08 04:39 PM   #41 
  - Your problem with Barack's speech is that 1) you overlook  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 02:21 PM   #32 
  - I kept the more blatantly partisan aspects of this discussion out of my OP period  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 02:30 PM   #34 
     - I respect your thoughtfulness but no, you didn't entirely  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 02:40 PM   #35 
        - I agree with you on about what Obama did with his speech  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 02:56 PM   #36 
           - Tom, if this is what you really think, I can't help you.  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 03:01 PM   #37 
              - instead of this patronising bullshit, why don't you explain what happened in SC?  bettyellen   Mar-22-08 03:13 PM   #38 
              - "BO started all this by refusing to defuse the issue".  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 03:16 PM   #39 
                 - I have at times in the past made an analogy about a specific aspect of Obama's political skills  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 05:08 PM   #42 
                 - What Clintons are you referring to?  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 05:32 PM   #43 
                 - he certainly allowed race on the table- waited a week till it benefited him.. and ONLY then  bettyellen   Mar-22-08 05:55 PM   #44 
                    - Did he also "allow" Shaheen to accuse him of being a coke dealer?  sfexpat2000   Mar-23-08 02:54 AM   #53 
                       - Shaheen was a very high profile Democrat in a very key state  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-23-08 06:08 AM   #56 
                       - I hope you notice that I didn't quote Shaheen at all  sfexpat2000   Mar-23-08 02:30 PM   #62 
                          - Fair enough. I agree that you only characterized his comments n/t  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-23-08 02:49 PM   #64 
                       - wow. you have just about all your "quotes" and "facts" completely wrong. and i won't respond to BS  bettyellen   Mar-23-08 10:26 AM   #60 
                          - That's fine, bettyellen. n/t  sfexpat2000   Mar-23-08 02:28 PM   #61 
              - I was responding to your contention that Obama had no incentive  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-22-08 06:18 PM   #45 
                 - As I have posted in another context, the chair of the Independent Womens Forum  sfexpat2000   Mar-22-08 10:39 PM   #50 
  - Well done, Tom.  Straight Shooter   Mar-22-08 06:58 PM   #46 
  - Outstanding thread Tom...  hayu_lol   Mar-22-08 07:57 PM   #48 
     - It is indeed, and it bears mentioning that it was Obama's openess that spurred the dialog. nt  Bonobo   Mar-22-08 08:27 PM   #49 
  - REC  rodeodance   Mar-22-08 10:51 PM   #51 
  - America has not yet transcended race... ask Shelby Steele  sueragingroz   Mar-22-08 10:55 PM   #52 
  - Maybe right -- but perhaps Obama had different strategic approach ...  cloudythescribbler   Mar-23-08 03:57 AM   #54 
  - Hindsight no doubt is better than foresight  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-23-08 09:10 AM   #59 
  - One of the many differences bewteen Hillary and Barrack  Iceburg   Mar-23-08 06:22 AM   #57 
     - That was a great and profound speech that Hillary gave  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-23-08 06:32 AM   #58 
     - She addresses real problems like her two opposing stands on NAFTA.  sfexpat2000   Mar-23-08 02:46 PM   #63 
 

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