Dinger
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Thu May-06-04 11:31 AM
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| 5. If they want standards, then accountability MUST be . . . |
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Edited on Thu May-06-04 11:32 AM by Dinger
equally enforced. If I could teach for free, I would, but that isn't realistic. In Wisconsin (as in most U.S. states), private/voucher/charter schools do not have to take standardized tests, and IF they do, they do not have to report it. A voucher system devastates (further) the public school systems, and we sure as hell don't need more of that. I am a 4th grade teacher, and my class takes these tests each year, and by the way, our school (elementary) has been awarded for our performance on these tests, and are being designated an "exemplary school," and will be recognized in Madison on May 11th. Why should I, as a taxpayer, give my tax (public) dollars to a (private) school? Public money, with NO accountability? I don't think so!
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| -Kerry Calls for Higher Teacher Standards |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-06-04 10:16 AM |
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I'm sick of teachers being scapegoated. |
David__77 |
May-06-04 10:35 AM |
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I am totally with you. This is ridiculous. Teachers are not the problem |
mzmolly |
May-06-04 01:30 PM |
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Well... |
stryker18 |
May-07-04 07:40 PM |
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What the hell does money do |
wubbathompson |
May-06-04 03:51 PM |
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Check out this link: |
keep_left |
May-06-04 11:21 PM |
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Thanks for the context!!! MUST READ stuff |
redqueen |
May-07-04 01:03 PM |
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Let's put it this way: |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
May-07-04 12:19 AM |
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STOP IT! Schools are NOT corporations, You CAN'T tie |
GreenPartyVoter |
May-06-04 10:49 AM |
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Do you believe that privatization is Kerry's goal? |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-06-04 10:52 AM |
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Yep, indirectly at least. |
sybylla |
May-06-04 12:17 PM |
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Did you read the article? |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 12:35 PM |
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Testing, testing, testing and more |
sybylla |
May-06-04 12:46 PM |
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I don't see where Kerry calls for more testing |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 12:55 PM |
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To start with, words from the campaign itself |
sybylla |
May-06-04 01:22 PM |
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Quoting out of context |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 01:47 PM |
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Determining a teacher is "bad" |
sandnsea |
May-06-04 02:14 PM |
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They are saying a teacher is "bad" if her kids don't test well. |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 03:59 PM |
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No they are not |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 04:24 PM |
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Well actually... |
sandnsea |
May-06-04 06:09 PM |
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Right. And the only time I was truly paid for performance... |
keep_left |
May-06-04 11:31 PM |
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Hey, I was paid for meeting test score goals! |
LWolf |
May-07-04 08:07 PM |
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is this what elementary and secondary school teachers want? |
cosmicdot |
May-06-04 10:57 AM |
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If they want standards, then accountability MUST be . . . |
Dinger |
May-06-04 11:31 AM |
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Welcome, DInger |
sybylla |
May-06-04 12:25 PM |
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What's up with the voucher talk? Kerry's plan has no vouchers |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 12:37 PM |
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You're Right, It Doesn't |
Dinger |
May-06-04 12:53 PM |
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John Witte, at UW-Madison, wrote a report... |
keep_left |
May-07-04 12:08 AM |
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A Story In The Journal Sentinel Said |
Dinger |
May-07-04 10:55 AM |
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This is exactly the problem. |
keep_left |
May-07-04 12:03 AM |
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okay. Take a deep breath here. |
LWolf |
May-07-04 08:15 AM |
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If a teacher graduates from college, they are capable. Stop the testing. |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 12:31 PM |
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You might want to read this post |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 12:41 PM |
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Yes madfloridian, they shoud call it nclu instead of nclb . . . |
Dinger |
May-06-04 12:55 PM |
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Yes, Neil Bush owns Ignite, I think. |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 12:59 PM |
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Graduating college does not mean they are capable |
SidewalkShuffle |
May-07-04 11:47 AM |
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higher standards than WHAT? |
ulysses |
May-06-04 03:33 PM |
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Out of curiosity |
wubbathompson |
May-06-04 03:41 PM |
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the quality of education in the United States, |
ulysses |
May-06-04 03:50 PM |
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HIRE good teachers who are qualified. Go by yearly evaluations. |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 03:52 PM |
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I agree to an extent |
wubbathompson |
May-06-04 03:58 PM |
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Children are NOT commodities. They are little human beings. |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 04:01 PM |
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Here's more than 2 cents. |
LWolf |
May-07-04 08:33 AM |
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Higher standards than the ones in place now |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 03:48 PM |
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which are what? |
ulysses |
May-06-04 03:50 PM |
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I think the point is that |
wubbathompson |
May-06-04 03:53 PM |
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will they ever be high enough? |
ulysses |
May-06-04 03:55 PM |
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uly, as a teacher, you should already know |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 04:27 PM |
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you conveniently overlook the "higher" part. |
ulysses |
May-06-04 04:34 PM |
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Do you think he should call for lower standards? |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 04:53 PM |
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um, no. |
ulysses |
May-06-04 05:01 PM |
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Good gracious, do you have children? |
madfloridian |
May-06-04 04:06 PM |
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Name removed |
May-06-04 04:29 PM |
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unless I miss my mark |
ulysses |
May-06-04 04:52 PM |
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You're probably right |
sangh0 |
May-06-04 04:55 PM |
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let's not play semantic games. |
ulysses |
May-06-04 05:06 PM |
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may I take your silence as a "yes" to the proposition, sangha? |
ulysses |
May-07-04 04:24 PM |
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This is why so many teachers don't like Kerry. n/t |
LWolf |
May-07-04 08:34 AM |
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There are several holes in this as far as I can see... |
IrateCitizen |
May-07-04 09:36 AM |
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NOBODY, including Kerry, has the balls to do what's REALLY needed |
IrateCitizen |
May-07-04 10:01 AM |
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yes and yes again |
ulysses |
May-07-04 04:22 PM |
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It takes much more than that |
Sparkly |
May-07-04 08:27 PM |
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Is he going to push vouchers? |
Sparkly |
May-07-04 08:10 PM |
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Ha! |
jsw_81 |
May-08-04 12:01 AM |
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Just another reason why Kerry is crap |
Egnever |
May-08-04 05:00 AM |
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Who is he trying to impress with this? Not the teacher's unions I guess? |
Democat |
May-08-04 05:45 AM |
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