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13. A WMA File of Geller Arguing for the Primary To Be Feb 5 & How the Repugs Scoffed & Indicated NO WAY
Here is A WMA File of Geller Arguing for the Primary To Be Feb 5 & How the Repugs Scoffed & Indicated NO WAY

http://www.dangelber.com/audio/RepGelberexchangewithRep...

or http://www.fladems.com/page/m/5604151d267acffc/s8CJH8/V... /


This is from the http://www.fladems.com / page that follows:


Party Statement on Primary Situation
Dear Florida Democrats,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

http://www.fladems.com/content/w/party_statement_on_pri...
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  -The video the DNC had when FL pleaded before them. Very damning. madfloridian  Mar-21-08 12:36 AM   #0 
  - Thanks, mad..a kick  zidzi   Mar-21-08 12:37 AM   #1 
  - thanks madf.....kickie  Tarheel_Dem   Mar-21-08 12:45 AM   #2 
  - I've noticed that the Florida Dems are indistinguishable from Florida Repugs  DJ13   Mar-21-08 12:45 AM   #3 
  - Well, Maybe That's Just madfloridian, Because Her Story Differs From the Florida Dems Website:  anonymeme   Mar-21-08 03:04 AM   #17 
     - Thurman can post anything she wants on the FDP website. It doesn't make it reality.  orangepeel68   Mar-21-08 08:08 AM   #28 
     - Thanks.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:52 AM   #32 
     - I get Karen's emails. I get all the party stuff. They are not being forthcoming at all.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:48 AM   #31 
     - Sounds like they pounded Tim Padgett with their propaganda successfully. n/t  krkaufman   Mar-21-08 06:54 PM   #81 
     - Thurman needs her walking papers...  jackster   Mar-21-08 05:05 PM   #73 
     - Thurman needs her walking papers...  jackster   Mar-21-08 05:05 PM   #74 
     - Well, that's probably why they're trying to pin the blame on Dean.  krkaufman   Mar-21-08 06:55 PM   #82 
     - do view/listen to the video & hear Geller's snark when "asking" for an amendment  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-21-08 11:59 PM   #96 
     - why does madfloridian keep up his rant  cyclezealot   Mar-22-08 12:42 AM   #100 
        - I am a she. Florida is having a media blitz against Dean as we speak .  madfloridian   Mar-22-08 09:46 AM   #103 
           - My beef with Dean and his lack of foresight  cyclezealot   Mar-22-08 09:56 AM   #104 
              - I live here. I see the lies. I see the spin. I will stop when they shut up.  madfloridian   Mar-22-08 10:44 AM   #105 
                 - It was not mean't as criticism  cyclezealot   Mar-22-08 10:53 AM   #106 
                    - It has already fixed his reputation in this state. I don't know about MI  madfloridian   Mar-22-08 11:00 AM   #107 
                       - One difference between u an me.  cyclezealot   Mar-22-08 11:35 AM   #110 
  - You're a champ  sudopod   Mar-21-08 12:45 AM   #4 
  - Forgive? HA! I wish there were 52 million more like you.  40ozDonkey   Mar-21-08 07:18 PM   #83 
  - Whats a bramble bush?  asSEENonTV   Mar-21-08 12:46 AM   #5 
  - Read Brer Rabbit . It tells all about bramble bushes  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 12:48 AM   #6 
     - gotcha..thanks!  asSEENonTV   Mar-21-08 01:05 AM   #9 
     - republicans are champions at the Briar Patch politics  SoCalDem   Mar-21-08 10:26 AM   #43 
        - Very good point you make.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 12:43 PM   #55 
  - kick  redstate_democrat   Mar-21-08 12:49 AM   #7 
  - K&R  ThatBozGuy   Mar-21-08 12:55 AM   #8 
  - K&R  Obama_for_our_future   Mar-21-08 01:07 AM   #10 
  - I had posted about that floor episode before.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 01:23 AM   #11 
  - Can you figure out a solution?  barb162   Mar-21-08 10:25 AM   #42 
  - I am not sure there is one as long as truth is not told.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 10:28 AM   #45 
     - There was one time I went to vote and they wouldn't let me vote  barb162   Mar-21-08 10:41 AM   #46 
        - Whatever you think.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 10:54 AM   #49 
           - Okay, what do you think should happen  barb162   Mar-21-08 11:18 AM   #50 
              - Let the credentials committee handle it as they should.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 11:22 AM   #51 
  - The problem was Geller et all wanted to move the primary up  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-22-08 12:00 AM   #97 
  - That fool on the tape has such a nasty little smirk  donheld   Mar-21-08 02:20 AM   #12 
  - What's a Dem in a Repub State Legislature Supposed to Do When They Just Laughed Off His Amendment?  anonymeme   Mar-21-08 02:50 AM   #16 
     - You didn't have on your listening ears. They did just the opposite of  donheld   Mar-21-08 04:59 AM   #20 
     - Did you not pay attention to the video?  Exilednight   Mar-21-08 07:16 AM   #24 
     - Did you just call us "clueless creatures"? LOL Did FL send you  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 09:05 AM   #34 
     - "No Sir, we REALLY REALLY Want this."  berni_mccoy   Mar-21-08 09:12 AM   #36 
     - it was the Dem who was laughing,  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-22-08 12:02 AM   #98 
  - A WMA File of Geller Arguing for the Primary To Be Feb 5 & How the Repugs Scoffed & Indicated NO WAY  anonymeme   Mar-21-08 02:26 AM   #13 
  - That just ignores the video. I read that post at FDP. Not convincing.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:43 AM   #29 
  - mad i was checking out the link fladems.com  psychmommy   Mar-21-08 08:24 PM   #86 
     - Yes, they knew it. Of course they did.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:29 PM   #88 
  - That is GELBER in the audio...Dan that is. I posted a video of GELLER  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 09:11 AM   #35 
  - Who did he think he'd fool with that?  JVS   Mar-21-08 02:33 AM   #14 
  - Remind me NEVER to get on your bad side.  Forkboy   Mar-21-08 02:40 AM   #15 
  - LMAO but so true!! Madfloridian is a badass! n/t  writes3000   Mar-21-08 03:13 AM   #19 
  - Heh heh....I would never do that to you.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 10:19 AM   #39 
     - Whew  Forkboy   Mar-21-08 12:30 PM   #54 
  - kick  redstate_democrat   Mar-21-08 03:09 AM   #18 
  - K/R and bookmarked.  Window   Mar-21-08 06:46 AM   #21 
  - Kick  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Mar-21-08 06:49 AM   #22 
  - thanks madf! nt  Voice for Peace   Mar-21-08 07:11 AM   #23 
  - K&R  MelissaB   Mar-21-08 07:34 AM   #25 
  - Great job, madfloridian  HooptieWagon   Mar-21-08 08:00 AM   #26 
  - Had they voted no....  BooScout   Mar-21-08 08:02 AM   #27 
  - That old argument again?  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:46 AM   #30 
  - k  WesDem   Mar-21-08 08:52 AM   #33 
  - Gelber and Geller....they are not the same person.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 09:38 AM   #37 
  - K&R  catgirl   Mar-21-08 10:04 AM   #38 
  - kick nominated n/t  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-21-08 10:20 AM   #40 
  - K & R  Debi   Mar-21-08 10:23 AM   #41 
  - kick!  FLDem5   Mar-21-08 10:26 AM   #44 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Mar-21-08 10:42 AM   #47 
  - WOW, Great Video.... thanks..... I hope some Dem runs against that guy and uses it in a TV ad  Johnny__Motown   Mar-21-08 10:50 AM   #48 
  - Great find Mad. Kick and Rec.  ZinZen   Mar-21-08 11:25 AM   #52 
  - Over time I have realized there are folks on DU that I trust completely.  davsand   Mar-21-08 11:45 AM   #53 
  - Nice thing to say, and I agree about orangepeel.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 01:20 PM   #56 
  - It was part of a verified voting bill.  riskpeace   Mar-21-08 01:27 PM   #57 
  - Just watch the video. That is all I have to say.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 01:54 PM   #60 
  - I did watch the video and I read your link about Bubriski.  riskpeace   Mar-21-08 02:01 PM   #62 
     - So do whatever you need to do. You can sue...everyone else has.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 02:23 PM   #63 
        - Did you read my post?  riskpeace   Mar-21-08 02:43 PM   #64 
           - However you feel, that is your right.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 03:08 PM   #65 
              - Your projections are silly.  riskpeace   Mar-21-08 03:35 PM   #68 
                 - Well, we apparently do not have mutual admiration for each other  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 03:56 PM   #69 
                    - I disagree with you.  riskpeace   Mar-21-08 04:04 PM   #70 
                       - I have addressed all points in the months I have written about it.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 05:04 PM   #72 
                          - Thanks for the links  riskpeace   Mar-22-08 11:11 AM   #108 
  - My bet is you were never there  ooglymoogly   Mar-21-08 09:21 PM   #91 
     - What do you mean  riskpeace   Mar-22-08 11:29 AM   #109 
  - What is wrong with these people? The one guy who voted against it should be made head of the party  grantcart   Mar-21-08 01:30 PM   #58 
  - LOL  wileedog   Mar-21-08 08:29 PM   #87 
  - K&R.  Kurovski   Mar-21-08 01:40 PM   #59 
  - marking this for a late night viewing. Thx Madf!  progressoid   Mar-21-08 02:00 PM   #61 
  - It's very short, only less than 2 minutes I think.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 03:10 PM   #66 
     - Pitiful is an understatement. What a buffoon.  progressoid   Mar-22-08 12:36 AM   #99 
        - No, Nelson and Thurman are on TV bashing Dean...Corinne Brown says resign.  madfloridian   Mar-22-08 12:57 AM   #101 
           - Aw jeez, sorry to hear that.  progressoid   Mar-22-08 01:32 AM   #102 
  - Kick  nell2323   Mar-21-08 03:34 PM   #67 
  - kick  fadedrose   Mar-21-08 04:22 PM   #71 
  - That video link crashes my browser, IE and Firefox  tkmorris   Mar-21-08 05:14 PM   #75 
  - Hang on, I saw it at You Tube. Will find it. OK found it.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 05:21 PM   #76 
     - Awesome  tkmorris   Mar-21-08 06:42 PM   #78 
     - thanx, went to Utube and gave it 5 and a save to  ooglymoogly   Mar-21-08 09:25 PM   #93 
  - Another excellent post madfloridian!  tammywammy   Mar-21-08 05:23 PM   #77 
  - K&R! nt  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-21-08 06:51 PM   #79 
  - K&R  BumRushDaShow   Mar-21-08 06:53 PM   #80 
  - Florida is its own worst enemy..I cringe when I hear that state even mentioned  ToughLuck   Mar-21-08 07:44 PM   #84 
  - Self-Delete, Duplicate Post  Pawel K   Mar-21-08 08:06 PM   # 
  - But this will not stop the lie that Obama is responsible  Pawel K   Mar-21-08 08:06 PM   #85 
  - No, you are right. It won't. They will keep on blaming Obama.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 08:32 PM   #89 
  - Kick!  ingac70   Mar-21-08 08:33 PM   #90 
  - I hope the voters in Fla realize how they were screwed by their own State Party  Capn Sunshine   Mar-21-08 09:24 PM   #92 
  - No. they do not realize it. All they get is propaganda. Funny cartoon I found.  madfloridian   Mar-21-08 10:05 PM   #94 
  - Again, I'm just glad to be saving money during the primary season...  Vickers   Mar-21-08 11:41 PM   #95 
 

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