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Wed Mar-19-08 10:37 AM
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Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:38 AM by futureliveshere
Many of you are arguing who has the better policies and hence will make the better president. What you are missing out on is that on most policy positions BO and HRC are almost identical. HRC initially voted for the war and NAFTA but has now come around to BO's side, BO talks about almost achieving UHC but concedes that this is a work-in-progress and his ultimate goal is Universal Health Care, a la Hillary. On all other topics they are nearly identical. So policy SHOULD not be the criteria of decision making or differentiation.
It should be the ability to put those policy proposals into ACTION. This according to me is a key ability. HRC would make a great Senate Head or Speaker of the House, but to be President i.e. team captain you need something more. That something more is 'the ability to inspire and work together in teams to achieve a COMMON goal'!! HRC has shown in the past that she is very hardworking as long as everyone is working towards HER goal. She has shown a remarkable paucity in achievements that involve both sides of the aisle. BO on the other hand has legislation sponsored and passed which involved gathering support from Repubs and Dems. HRC is a great details person and will make an outstanding Headmistress, but BO has a vision, a dream if you will, of bringing people together and achieving all those policy outcomes.
So vote with this thought in mind please. Both are great candidates, but BO will bring the parties together and inspire those fuddy-duddies in Congress to achieve some useful legislation. HRC will focus on her own agenda (which though admirable) will only cause the Repubs to refuse to play ball and will achieve very little if President.
edited for a small grammatical error.
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| -Let's get ONE thing straight...I don't like obama |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-17-08 09:51 PM |
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Amen. |
waiting for hope |
Mar-17-08 09:55 PM |
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agree with you nt |
NYCALIZ |
Mar-17-08 09:56 PM |
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She gave that up when she endorsed McCain and put herself above the party |
Wolsh |
Mar-17-08 09:56 PM |
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That isn't what was said...but you know that |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-17-08 09:57 PM |
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It is the truth |
TML |
Mar-17-08 09:59 PM |
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Hey, you stole my avatar. |
Bigleaf |
Mar-18-08 02:37 PM |
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Wait until I donate in a few weeks |
TML |
Mar-19-08 12:33 AM |
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Obama conjured harry and Louise...and that's as repig as you can get nt |
Mezzo |
Mar-18-08 03:00 PM |
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Yes he did---- |
rodeodance |
Mar-18-08 08:49 PM |
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It's only Repig |
TML |
Mar-19-08 12:34 AM |
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Could you provide a link |
leftynyc |
Mar-19-08 10:40 AM |
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She never said she endorsed McCain |
UALRBSofL |
Mar-17-08 10:00 PM |
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Wrong |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Mar-18-08 02:41 PM |
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you are a liar, plain and simple |
Mezzo |
Mar-18-08 03:01 PM |
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There is no lie to it. Its not like there is fideo of her doing it on three different occasions |
Wolsh |
Mar-17-08 10:00 PM |
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I respect you. but it's you who is bending the truth |
walldude |
Mar-17-08 10:03 PM |
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The ends justify the means.... |
40ozDonkey |
Mar-17-08 10:16 PM |
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Good job? you hate Obama so much that you'd rather have |
walldude |
Mar-17-08 10:58 PM |
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Your post is hilarious as I was being sarcastic. |
40ozDonkey |
Mar-18-08 07:10 PM |
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A member of her own campaign said her touting McCain over Obama was a mistake |
stevenleser |
Mar-17-08 10:19 PM |
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Paul Begala is not a member of her campaign |
maddiejoan |
Mar-17-08 10:49 PM |
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I don't know how else to 'parse' her comments. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-18-08 07:52 PM |
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She said she and McCain passed the CinC test and implied Obama didn't -- Linked to story |
Drachasor |
Mar-18-08 09:04 PM |
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Ehhhh. Self Delete. The Mods Got Enough Work To Do. n/t |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-08 10:11 PM |
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That's absolutely untrue |
cricket08 |
Mar-18-08 02:43 PM |
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She said she and McCain passed the CinC test and implied Obama didn't -- Linked to story |
Drachasor |
Mar-18-08 09:05 PM |
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It's not an endorsement.... |
cricket08 |
Mar-19-08 09:21 AM |
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How does that not say McCain is more suited to be President than Obama? |
Drachasor |
Mar-19-08 02:08 PM |
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Or... rather than Obama making an implication... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-19-08 10:03 AM |
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? |
Drachasor |
Mar-19-08 02:12 PM |
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dumb statement. that is not what she did. |
Texas Hill Country |
Mar-19-08 10:07 AM |
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Since when have progressives on this board supported Hillary in the first place |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-17-08 09:57 PM |
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Is this DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-17-08 10:03 PM |
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None of what you just wrote addresses the fact that before the primaries started |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-17-08 10:10 PM |
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Lots of progressive DUers support Hillary |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:42 PM |
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I don't believe you. |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-18-08 02:49 PM |
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Sapphocrat, BuffytheFundySlayer, Jamastine |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:56 PM |
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Okay, if you're being honest--and I assume you are--then I'll grant you there may be some. But . . . |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-18-08 03:10 PM |
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We find it equally vexing that other progressives have chosen a candidate... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Mar-18-08 07:18 PM |
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Not accurate. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Mar-18-08 07:15 PM |
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Except me... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-19-08 10:06 AM |
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MANY progressives in fact |
JoFerret |
Mar-18-08 08:46 PM |
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EXACTLY how I feel and how I came to my choice: pragmatism |
LostinVA |
Mar-19-08 09:46 AM |
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They're conservatives |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-18-08 07:22 PM |
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I am extremely liberal but support her. though I may be the minority. |
musicblind |
Mar-18-08 08:19 PM |
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Excellent question. |
JoFerret |
Mar-18-08 08:21 PM |
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Excuse me, but I've been here... |
Andromeda |
Mar-17-08 11:03 PM |
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I'm not dismissing them, just saying there weren't many of them on this board before the primaries |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-17-08 11:35 PM |
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Isn't Obama the unity candidate? That was one of the most divisive comments |
pirhana |
Mar-18-08 08:51 PM |
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Just reporting what I remember of DU before all hell broke loose. |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-19-08 01:28 AM |
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I don't see anyone on this board supporting a progressive. |
Pringles |
Mar-20-08 08:03 AM |
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Viva Obama, Our Future Nominee. |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-17-08 09:59 PM |
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Do you read ANYTHING or just cheerlead impulsively? |
Bluebear |
Mar-17-08 10:09 PM |
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*spray* |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:45 PM |
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Dupe |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:45 PM |
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If he is, |
Ronnie |
Mar-18-08 09:26 PM |
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I agree with you |
Andy823 |
Mar-17-08 09:59 PM |
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Good standing? character? |
Johnny__Motown |
Mar-17-08 10:03 PM |
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Her hailing McCaints traits to lift her own was heartbreaking to me |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 10:04 PM |
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It is a fact that when it comes to being a commander in chief, McCain is the most |
question everything |
Mar-18-08 02:41 PM |
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and i don't like hillary. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-17-08 10:03 PM |
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And you will not have an argument from me about that |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-17-08 10:06 PM |
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K, but Hillary has been real & said today Iraqis should be thankful for the "freedom" we've ... |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 10:08 PM |
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and i've never said that anyone should be kicked out for supporting hillary... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-17-08 10:13 PM |
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I don't understand why Hillary supporters believe Iraqis should be thank for the 'freedom' we brough |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 10:07 PM |
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Agreed. |
Fox Mulder |
Mar-18-08 07:09 PM |
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obama is the QUESTION, certainly NOT the ANSWER. |
Double T |
Mar-17-08 10:04 PM |
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many of us do not want either Obama or Clinton |
NYCALIZ |
Mar-17-08 10:05 PM |
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You said it. Dude, let's get an actual yellow dog instead. I'm about at that point. |
ProgressIn2008 |
Mar-17-08 10:08 PM |
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Agreed. But guys like Edwards and Kucinich as well as others........... |
Double T |
Mar-17-08 10:10 PM |
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Edwards didn't have a chance |
vanboggie |
Mar-17-08 10:14 PM |
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I'm not sure he was our best...however, I did vote for him |
NYCALIZ |
Mar-17-08 10:17 PM |
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Amen to that |
vanboggie |
Mar-17-08 10:12 PM |
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She hailed McCaints traits over Obamas in order to lift herself, I don't see that as good charater |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 10:04 PM |
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Yes! Thanks. |
Skip Intro |
Mar-17-08 10:07 PM |
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Yeah Yeah |
NDambi |
Mar-17-08 10:08 PM |
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"there isn't any amount of arguing that will make me change my mind"... |
boppers |
Mar-17-08 10:10 PM |
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Seriously |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-17-08 10:12 PM |
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Don't tell me you're a good judge of character |
zidzi |
Mar-17-08 10:12 PM |
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How on earth does that answer the OP? |
Bluebear |
Mar-17-08 10:18 PM |
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I would never suggest that Clinton supporters don't belong in the party. |
last1standing |
Mar-17-08 10:12 PM |
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good enough. there is nothing wrong with disagreeing! as long as your not disagreeable. n/t |
IndependentDem |
Mar-17-08 10:13 PM |
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How about this argument? |
Paulie |
Mar-17-08 10:14 PM |
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Obama consistently votes to fund the war |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:52 PM |
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She voted for the blank check |
Paulie |
Mar-18-08 07:06 PM |
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amen . thank you. |
rodeodance |
Mar-17-08 10:16 PM |
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Good for you. Everyone should support the candidate they like |
Teaser |
Mar-17-08 10:23 PM |
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Amen! |
goldcanyonaz |
Mar-17-08 10:23 PM |
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Not by me, Horse, |
Andromeda |
Mar-17-08 10:52 PM |
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I hear ya...Why don't you like Barack, though? |
Me_Shell |
Mar-17-08 10:57 PM |
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To say Clintons aren't destroying the Democratic Party and didn't allow the Dem party |
cryingshame |
Mar-17-08 11:00 PM |
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No Democrat condones, let alone encourages, racist attacks |
FredScuttle |
Mar-17-08 11:01 PM |
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How do you know she sent |
waiting for hope |
Mar-18-08 02:16 PM |
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...smile, I don't like fighting.... |
Dan |
Mar-17-08 11:59 PM |
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Could not have said it any better |
Ugnmoose |
Mar-18-08 02:21 PM |
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I don't have anything against Obama |
question everything |
Mar-18-08 02:35 PM |
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Good post -- K&R! |
LostinVA |
Mar-18-08 02:40 PM |
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Thank you. And I miss that candidate you refer to. |
RestoreGore |
Mar-18-08 02:41 PM |
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well said! |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-18-08 02:42 PM |
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Feel better? |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-18-08 02:43 PM |
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... |
Blue State Native |
Mar-18-08 03:08 PM |
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Your preference is perfectly rational and understandable |
theredpen |
Mar-18-08 02:44 PM |
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thank you |
AJH032 |
Mar-18-08 02:45 PM |
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... |
eleny |
Mar-18-08 02:52 PM |
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I don't favor Obama as a policy maker. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-18-08 03:00 PM |
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!!! |
Blue State Native |
Mar-18-08 03:02 PM |
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K&R |
indimuse |
Mar-18-08 07:16 PM |
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It's OK to dislike him. BUT RECOGNIZE THAT HE WON. |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-18-08 07:20 PM |
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youre supporting a democrat that supports a republican, thats the problem... - nt |
goletian |
Mar-18-08 07:23 PM |
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Way to go Horse with no name |
surfermaw |
Mar-18-08 08:14 PM |
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Get used to it, |
BringBigDogBack |
Mar-18-08 08:14 PM |
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Are you thinking of a brokered convention? |
LWolf |
Mar-18-08 08:22 PM |
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Edwards was the best |
tippytoe |
Mar-18-08 08:54 PM |
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If more of all of us would act like you, it wouldn't happen near as much, kuddos |
usregimechange |
Mar-18-08 08:56 PM |
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I have fought like hell for the Clintons in the past, but their tactics of late SUCK !! |
RBInMaine |
Mar-18-08 08:57 PM |
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Great Post. |
TriMetFan |
Mar-18-08 08:57 PM |
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He has made the best speech on race since Bill Clinton |
JoFerret |
Mar-18-08 09:11 PM |
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Good post |
stop the bleeding |
Mar-18-08 09:28 PM |
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I can't recommend, but I can still kick this. |
Nutmegger |
Mar-19-08 12:53 AM |
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She has chosen to put personal ego above the interest of party, public or nation |
Political Heretic |
Mar-19-08 09:48 AM |
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Obama people aren't going after Hillary supporters because they support Hillary. |
tasteblind |
Mar-19-08 10:36 AM |
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Patently untrue |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-19-08 02:14 PM |
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No, an outright lie would be Hillary Clinton telling people she was secretly against NAFTA |
tasteblind |
Mar-20-08 01:08 AM |
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Missing the point!! |
futureliveshere |
Mar-19-08 10:37 AM |
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It takes more than pretty words to inspire me |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-19-08 02:16 PM |
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... |
Blue State Native |
Mar-19-08 02:17 PM |
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thank you. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Mar-19-08 02:40 PM |
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1) I respect your candidate immensely. 2) can i buy you ... |
ksquire |
Mar-20-08 01:13 AM |
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1. Thank you. 2. No thank you. |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-20-08 04:26 AM |
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good discussion in this post, |
mythyc |
Mar-20-08 02:34 AM |
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You seem bitter |
spokane |
Mar-20-08 02:57 AM |
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Try again Freud |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-20-08 04:25 AM |
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Well said |
JoFerret |
Mar-20-08 05:31 AM |
#132 |