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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #71
79. There is plenty of mud slinging on both sides...
I'm simply referring to the most fair process which represents - unequivocally - the will of the people.

Is it possible to step away from your (or my) candidate of choice for a sec, and simply ask what is the most honest way to nominate someone who BEST reflects the will of the people that voted in the long primary process.
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  -Sincere question to Hillary supporters: If Clinton wins with the aid of Super Delegates.... RiverStone  Mar-17-08 04:12 PM   #0 
  - You should add in the assumption that Hillary also loses the popular vote (a near certainty)  Drachasor   Mar-17-08 04:14 PM   #1 
  - Ok, added as an assumption...n/t  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:23 PM   #10 
  - Keep in mind that Obama is courting the delegates also. This isn't a one way street.  elixir   Mar-17-08 04:15 PM   #2 
  - True, but he already has a lock on the pledged delegates...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:19 PM   #6 
  - Rules say the SDs can vote the way they want.  Hatchling   Mar-17-08 04:44 PM   #28 
     - The SCOTUS made the rules for the 2000 election as well...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:49 PM   #33 
        - Bush v Gore was so unconstitutional that SCOTUS wrote into it that it could not be a legal precedent  AlGore-08.com   Mar-17-08 05:43 PM   #63 
        - You are wrong on Bush v. Gore  bamalib   Mar-17-08 06:24 PM   #72 
        - The SCOTUS ruled after the election.  Hatchling   Mar-17-08 08:51 PM   #82 
  - Well if Clinton is going after them, he would be negligent if he just sat back  high density   Mar-17-08 04:21 PM   #8 
  - While I would NOT vote for Obama were the situation reversed.  ieoeja   Mar-17-08 04:37 PM   #23 
     - ...those circumstances  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:42 PM   #27 
  - Just so I'll know...  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 04:16 PM   #3 
  - Hm. Way to miss the entire point of the post.  slick8790   Mar-17-08 04:19 PM   #7 
  - Team "God Damn America" works the superdelegates  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 04:23 PM   #11 
     - Are you seriously just that thick?  slick8790   Mar-17-08 04:26 PM   #12 
     - My personal opinion is whoever has the most popular vote  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 04:29 PM   #15 
        - Indeed I am.  slick8790   Mar-17-08 04:34 PM   #20 
     - How would you feel if I said, "Team Only In It Because He's Black" in reference ot HRC's campaign?  Kittycat   Mar-17-08 04:32 PM   #18 
        - Go for it  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 04:46 PM   #31 
           - Well let me ask you...  Kittycat   Mar-17-08 06:03 PM   #68 
              - I hope that team BO  BigDDem   Mar-18-08 08:34 AM   #85 
  - I'm still looking for an answer...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:27 PM   #14 
  - Of course they will flock to the voting booth  leftofcool   Mar-17-08 04:17 PM   #4 
  - No. Democrats want Democracy.  bunnies   Mar-17-08 04:27 PM   #13 
  - Do you think anybody will think twice regarding "how" she got to the nomination?  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:29 PM   #16 
  - Queue the crickets: chirp . . . chirp . . . chirp . . .  InAbLuEsTaTe   Mar-17-08 04:18 PM   #5 
  - I'd be happy if a cricket answered the question....  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:21 PM   #9 
  - She could also win by having the convention go to the second ballot if the SD's don't commit  Hippo_Tron   Mar-17-08 04:30 PM   #17 
  - And all the while the many Dems who voted in the primaries and...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:34 PM   #19 
     - Well I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm just saying that could happen  Hippo_Tron   Mar-17-08 04:39 PM   #25 
        - Backlash!  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:46 PM   #30 
  - It would have to be close in pledged delegates for Hillary to make a viable case.  rinsd   Mar-17-08 04:34 PM   #21 
  - Thank you and taking it one step further...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:38 PM   #24 
     - Not sure.  rinsd   Mar-18-08 10:52 AM   #88 
  - Neither candidate is likely to win the "magic number" so I  styersc   Mar-17-08 04:36 PM   #22 
  - I'd say it was Karma striking back at Obama for Swiftboating the Clintons on Race.  MethuenProgressive   Mar-17-08 04:39 PM   #26 
  - I'd say that never happened and karma did bite hilly and bill  cali   Mar-17-08 04:45 PM   #29 
  - Link to HuffPo expose of the Obama Camp's plot to Swiftboat the Clintons  MethuenProgressive   Mar-17-08 04:47 PM   #32 
  - put her at under 50 and...  bobbydem   Mar-17-08 04:58 PM   #39 
  - Sorry, I don't buy his spin.  cali   Mar-17-08 05:15 PM   #47 
  - Pelosi can only influence their votes.  Hatchling   Mar-17-08 04:56 PM   #36 
     - Sorry, but Pelosi does bring other House SD votes with her  cali   Mar-17-08 05:17 PM   #50 
  - Forget karma for a second....  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 04:53 PM   #35 
     - Define "folks"  MethuenProgressive   Mar-17-08 04:58 PM   #38 
  - Regardless of who wins,  metalluk   Mar-17-08 04:51 PM   #34 
  - I think a lot of people are gonig to walk away regardless of who wins.  dbaker41   Mar-17-08 04:57 PM   #37 
  - Unless...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:05 PM   #41 
  - The superdelegates are not and never were required to reflect the popular vote.  Arkansas Granny   Mar-17-08 05:05 PM   #40 
  - Ok, so they do not follow the vote. They may be legal - but how will the people feel about it?  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:08 PM   #43 
  - Regardless how the superdelegates decide to cast their votes, one group  Arkansas Granny   Mar-17-08 06:29 PM   #73 
  - The benefit of the doubt goes to Obama  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-17-08 06:51 PM   #75 
  - well florida's out  bobbydem   Mar-17-08 05:11 PM   #45 
  - I'm not crazy about Hillary, but would vote for her if she won fair and square  scard   Mar-17-08 05:07 PM   #42 
  - i am so tired of this crap. the SD's are there to make an independent judgement on who is electable  Texas Hill Country   Mar-17-08 05:09 PM   #44 
  - I dont think too many are bitching  bobbydem   Mar-17-08 05:14 PM   #46 
     - thank you. it is very much appreciated. the whole tear the party apart thing gets old.  Texas Hill Country   Mar-17-08 05:18 PM   #51 
        - And where I do see a SD over-ride as potentially...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:24 PM   #52 
  - If you picture a candidate imploding on the final stretch  2rth2pwr   Mar-17-08 05:17 PM   #48 
  - I don't know, but I see plenty of folks NOT flocking to the voting booth  Beacool   Mar-17-08 05:17 PM   #49 
  - lets be real  bobbydem   Mar-17-08 05:25 PM   #53 
  - Nope we won't...............  Beacool   Mar-17-08 05:38 PM   #57 
     - I can't fathom EVER voting for McCain...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:40 PM   #59 
        - I couldn't vote for McCain, but neither could I vote for Obama.  Beacool   Mar-17-08 05:46 PM   #64 
           - It's fine to be honest  MattBaggins   Mar-17-08 06:10 PM   #70 
  - And we can agree to disagree on this forever...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:36 PM   #56 
     - It's beyond Hillary.  Beacool   Mar-17-08 05:43 PM   #62 
     - If you "diss Hillary, et. al" you "diss her supporters."  bamalib   Mar-17-08 06:09 PM   #69 
        - There is a differerence...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 07:23 PM   #76 
  - It is a mathematical fact that if Hillary wins with Superdelegates,  Ravy   Mar-17-08 05:28 PM   #54 
  - Your not taking about taking the will of the people away are you?  Life Long Dem   Mar-17-08 05:33 PM   #55 
  - Oh yea, lots of good will would be taken away, IMO  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:38 PM   #58 
     - Great post by the way.  Life Long Dem   Mar-17-08 06:00 PM   #66 
  - Relax. There is no vast smoke-filled room conspiracy  IDemo   Mar-17-08 05:41 PM   #60 
  - I hope your right on IDemo - appreciate the optimism!  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 05:42 PM   #61 
  - Question  AJH032   Mar-17-08 05:47 PM   #65 
  - How did we survive before SD's were introduced?  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 07:27 PM   #77 
  - Obama supporters cheer when a superdelegate switches to their side  finalnews   Mar-17-08 06:01 PM   #67 
  - Many people think they are not needed at all.  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 07:28 PM   #78 
  - Here's a real question  jconner27   Mar-17-08 06:21 PM   #71 
  - There is plenty of mud slinging on both sides...  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 07:33 PM   #79 
  - To further your analogy - look at the 1972 Olympic Gold Medal Basketball game  dansolo   Mar-17-08 06:44 PM   #74 
  - 2025 TO WIN....NOTHING LESS  mjg540   Mar-17-08 07:38 PM   #80 
  - It's a win.  Swede   Mar-17-08 07:41 PM   #81 
  - I don't see even ONE straight-up response to important question the OP posed. NOT ONE.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-17-08 09:07 PM   #83 
  - Must have been a hard question eh?  RiverStone   Mar-17-08 10:46 PM   #84 
  - Bill Press Opening the Door for Superdelegates for Hillary  JPZenger   Mar-18-08 08:37 AM   #86 
  - Can you tell me a scenario in which Obama wins...  BlueLizard   Mar-18-08 08:51 AM   #87 
 

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