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Mon Mar-17-08 04:44 PM
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| 28. Rules say the SDs can vote the way they want. |
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It's the Obama campaign that is trying to change the rules here by forcing them to vote for him or else. And technically he doesn't really have a lock on the pledged delegates he has. They can also vote however they want. Normally it's considered appropriate to vote as you pledged on the first ballot, but on the second ballot the votes are up for grabs. That's when buyer's remorse kicks in. So at that point, if Clinton is as bad as some of you think, her delegates have the same option as his: to vote their conscience.
As for how they'll react: I assume they will be very disappointed; as will l if they don't go for Clinton. But no one gets their way by threats of walk outs, or not voting in the GE or by proposing civil unrest or threatening the SD's with challenges in their district or any of the other rumors I have read. I would react pretty badly myself if that is how it fell out.
Fair and square is letting the convention play out it role.
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| -Sincere question to Hillary supporters: If Clinton wins with the aid of Super Delegates.... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:12 PM |
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You should add in the assumption that Hillary also loses the popular vote (a near certainty) |
Drachasor |
Mar-17-08 04:14 PM |
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Ok, added as an assumption...n/t |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:23 PM |
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Keep in mind that Obama is courting the delegates also. This isn't a one way street. |
elixir |
Mar-17-08 04:15 PM |
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True, but he already has a lock on the pledged delegates... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:19 PM |
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Rules say the SDs can vote the way they want. |
Hatchling |
Mar-17-08 04:44 PM |
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The SCOTUS made the rules for the 2000 election as well... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:49 PM |
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Bush v Gore was so unconstitutional that SCOTUS wrote into it that it could not be a legal precedent |
AlGore-08.com |
Mar-17-08 05:43 PM |
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You are wrong on Bush v. Gore |
bamalib |
Mar-17-08 06:24 PM |
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The SCOTUS ruled after the election. |
Hatchling |
Mar-17-08 08:51 PM |
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Well if Clinton is going after them, he would be negligent if he just sat back |
high density |
Mar-17-08 04:21 PM |
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While I would NOT vote for Obama were the situation reversed. |
ieoeja |
Mar-17-08 04:37 PM |
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...those circumstances |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:42 PM |
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Just so I'll know... |
BigDDem |
Mar-17-08 04:16 PM |
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Hm. Way to miss the entire point of the post. |
slick8790 |
Mar-17-08 04:19 PM |
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Team "God Damn America" works the superdelegates |
BigDDem |
Mar-17-08 04:23 PM |
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Are you seriously just that thick? |
slick8790 |
Mar-17-08 04:26 PM |
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My personal opinion is whoever has the most popular vote |
BigDDem |
Mar-17-08 04:29 PM |
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Indeed I am. |
slick8790 |
Mar-17-08 04:34 PM |
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How would you feel if I said, "Team Only In It Because He's Black" in reference ot HRC's campaign? |
Kittycat |
Mar-17-08 04:32 PM |
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Go for it |
BigDDem |
Mar-17-08 04:46 PM |
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Well let me ask you... |
Kittycat |
Mar-17-08 06:03 PM |
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I hope that team BO |
BigDDem |
Mar-18-08 08:34 AM |
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I'm still looking for an answer... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:27 PM |
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Of course they will flock to the voting booth |
leftofcool |
Mar-17-08 04:17 PM |
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No. Democrats want Democracy. |
bunnies |
Mar-17-08 04:27 PM |
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Do you think anybody will think twice regarding "how" she got to the nomination? |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:29 PM |
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Queue the crickets: chirp . . . chirp . . . chirp . . . |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-17-08 04:18 PM |
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I'd be happy if a cricket answered the question.... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:21 PM |
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She could also win by having the convention go to the second ballot if the SD's don't commit |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-17-08 04:30 PM |
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And all the while the many Dems who voted in the primaries and... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:34 PM |
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Well I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm just saying that could happen |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-17-08 04:39 PM |
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Backlash! |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:46 PM |
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It would have to be close in pledged delegates for Hillary to make a viable case. |
rinsd |
Mar-17-08 04:34 PM |
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Thank you and taking it one step further... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:38 PM |
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Not sure. |
rinsd |
Mar-18-08 10:52 AM |
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Neither candidate is likely to win the "magic number" so I |
styersc |
Mar-17-08 04:36 PM |
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I'd say it was Karma striking back at Obama for Swiftboating the Clintons on Race. |
MethuenProgressive |
Mar-17-08 04:39 PM |
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I'd say that never happened and karma did bite hilly and bill |
cali |
Mar-17-08 04:45 PM |
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Link to HuffPo expose of the Obama Camp's plot to Swiftboat the Clintons |
MethuenProgressive |
Mar-17-08 04:47 PM |
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put her at under 50 and... |
bobbydem |
Mar-17-08 04:58 PM |
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Sorry, I don't buy his spin. |
cali |
Mar-17-08 05:15 PM |
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Pelosi can only influence their votes. |
Hatchling |
Mar-17-08 04:56 PM |
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Sorry, but Pelosi does bring other House SD votes with her |
cali |
Mar-17-08 05:17 PM |
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Forget karma for a second.... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 04:53 PM |
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Define "folks" |
MethuenProgressive |
Mar-17-08 04:58 PM |
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Regardless of who wins, |
metalluk |
Mar-17-08 04:51 PM |
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I think a lot of people are gonig to walk away regardless of who wins. |
dbaker41 |
Mar-17-08 04:57 PM |
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Unless... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:05 PM |
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The superdelegates are not and never were required to reflect the popular vote. |
Arkansas Granny |
Mar-17-08 05:05 PM |
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Ok, so they do not follow the vote. They may be legal - but how will the people feel about it? |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:08 PM |
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Regardless how the superdelegates decide to cast their votes, one group |
Arkansas Granny |
Mar-17-08 06:29 PM |
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The benefit of the doubt goes to Obama |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 06:51 PM |
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well florida's out |
bobbydem |
Mar-17-08 05:11 PM |
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I'm not crazy about Hillary, but would vote for her if she won fair and square |
scard |
Mar-17-08 05:07 PM |
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i am so tired of this crap. the SD's are there to make an independent judgement on who is electable |
Texas Hill Country |
Mar-17-08 05:09 PM |
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I dont think too many are bitching |
bobbydem |
Mar-17-08 05:14 PM |
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thank you. it is very much appreciated. the whole tear the party apart thing gets old. |
Texas Hill Country |
Mar-17-08 05:18 PM |
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And where I do see a SD over-ride as potentially... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:24 PM |
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If you picture a candidate imploding on the final stretch |
2rth2pwr |
Mar-17-08 05:17 PM |
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I don't know, but I see plenty of folks NOT flocking to the voting booth |
Beacool |
Mar-17-08 05:17 PM |
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lets be real |
bobbydem |
Mar-17-08 05:25 PM |
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Nope we won't............... |
Beacool |
Mar-17-08 05:38 PM |
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I can't fathom EVER voting for McCain... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:40 PM |
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I couldn't vote for McCain, but neither could I vote for Obama. |
Beacool |
Mar-17-08 05:46 PM |
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It's fine to be honest |
MattBaggins |
Mar-17-08 06:10 PM |
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And we can agree to disagree on this forever... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:36 PM |
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It's beyond Hillary. |
Beacool |
Mar-17-08 05:43 PM |
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If you "diss Hillary, et. al" you "diss her supporters." |
bamalib |
Mar-17-08 06:09 PM |
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There is a differerence... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 07:23 PM |
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It is a mathematical fact that if Hillary wins with Superdelegates, |
Ravy |
Mar-17-08 05:28 PM |
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Your not taking about taking the will of the people away are you? |
Life Long Dem |
Mar-17-08 05:33 PM |
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Oh yea, lots of good will would be taken away, IMO |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:38 PM |
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Great post by the way. |
Life Long Dem |
Mar-17-08 06:00 PM |
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Relax. There is no vast smoke-filled room conspiracy |
IDemo |
Mar-17-08 05:41 PM |
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I hope your right on IDemo - appreciate the optimism! |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 05:42 PM |
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Question |
AJH032 |
Mar-17-08 05:47 PM |
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How did we survive before SD's were introduced? |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 07:27 PM |
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Obama supporters cheer when a superdelegate switches to their side |
finalnews |
Mar-17-08 06:01 PM |
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Many people think they are not needed at all. |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 07:28 PM |
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Here's a real question |
jconner27 |
Mar-17-08 06:21 PM |
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There is plenty of mud slinging on both sides... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 07:33 PM |
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To further your analogy - look at the 1972 Olympic Gold Medal Basketball game |
dansolo |
Mar-17-08 06:44 PM |
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2025 TO WIN....NOTHING LESS |
mjg540 |
Mar-17-08 07:38 PM |
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It's a win. |
Swede |
Mar-17-08 07:41 PM |
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I don't see even ONE straight-up response to important question the OP posed. NOT ONE. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-17-08 09:07 PM |
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Must have been a hard question eh? |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 10:46 PM |
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Bill Press Opening the Door for Superdelegates for Hillary |
JPZenger |
Mar-18-08 08:37 AM |
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Can you tell me a scenario in which Obama wins... |
BlueLizard |
Mar-18-08 08:51 AM |
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