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Mon Mar-17-08 04:15 PM
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| 47. I'm not sure I follow. It is pretty much a certainty that neither |
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will get enough pledged delegates alone to lock up the nomination. Super delegates will decide this nomination either way. The spin that pledged delegates are a reflection of the "people's will" is simply not true. The whole point of the pledged delegate system is to give greater power to smaller states to counter the larger delegate allocation of larger states. This has to come at the expense of voters: In California it takes ~10,000 people to appoint one delegate with average turnout and about 4600 to appoint one delegate in Wyoming with 100% turnout. If one is going to argue that the pledged delegate count is the metric that should guide super delegates, if the popular vote lead and pledged count differ, because nomination rules define delegates as the "official" unit of comparison then one must also adhere to the rules that say the super delegates can do whatever the hell they want, but this approach is certainly not the high road. I think Obama should be the nominee if he has won the popular vote and has a majority of pledged delegates, but if those numbers differ I want the discretion that the rules bestowed upon the supers to be utilized - not to automatically choose Clinton, but to truly consider the larger picture before making a choice.
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| -Thank You, Kos! |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:00 PM |
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Amen to that, Kos... |
ReverendDeuce |
Mar-17-08 03:05 PM |
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All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable. |
pollo poco |
Mar-18-08 12:05 PM |
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"Kos" is an amateur -- His website will go down with Obama ---NT |
DemGa |
Mar-17-08 03:07 PM |
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I might point out that many respected Democratic voices post Diaries there |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:11 PM |
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I've seen some of Kos' 1:00 am rants -- full of novice errors |
DemGa |
Mar-17-08 03:16 PM |
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hush and go play with Zell Miller |
democracy1st |
Mar-17-08 04:48 PM |
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hasn't Hillary met the "Zell Miller" Rule Thresh-hold yet? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-17-08 04:50 PM |
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Latté Libs. |
Brundle_Fly |
Mar-18-08 07:52 AM |
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The use of "latte liberals" is a surefire indication of conversion to the dark side of the force. |
olkaz |
Mar-18-08 01:09 PM |
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what's a "latte lib"? |
yodermon |
Mar-18-08 09:37 AM |
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Look, I've got nothing against "lattes" |
DemGa |
Mar-18-08 10:02 AM |
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hm...I don't drink lattes, but I oppose clinton's candidacy |
Lerkfish |
Mar-18-08 01:43 PM |
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Non Sequitur --- NT |
DemGa |
Mar-18-08 01:47 PM |
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really? you said it was the best descriptor, and I pointed out it didn't apply to me |
Lerkfish |
Mar-18-08 01:57 PM |
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It doesn't logically follow |
DemGa |
Mar-18-08 02:02 PM |
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You seem to ignore the fact that it's your candidate who's switched parties. |
TheWraith |
Mar-18-08 01:54 PM |
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Those are merely accusations |
DemGa |
Mar-18-08 02:07 PM |
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A smart person, I guess! |
catgirl |
Mar-18-08 01:47 PM |
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If drinking lattes puts me at the other end of the spectrum from you... |
catgirl |
Mar-18-08 01:48 PM |
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and many voices have left because of Kos bias and site sexism |
papau |
Mar-17-08 03:23 PM |
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Name removed |
Mar-17-08 05:33 PM |
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Not to mention the times he's on TV and in the news. |
Laurab |
Mar-17-08 07:44 PM |
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You oughtta try a latte sometime. You owe it to yourself. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-17-08 09:28 PM |
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You'll fit right in out here in the upper northwest corner of the US if you ever visit |
eridani |
Mar-18-08 12:29 AM |
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Why served separately? |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-18-08 09:33 AM |
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Cheesehead!! Jeebus!! |
eridani |
Mar-19-08 09:11 PM |
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I'm glad you (and lots of other liberals) are confounding the stereotypes |
Connonym |
Mar-18-08 01:05 PM |
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What in the name of Odin is a 'latte'? |
ekwhite |
Mar-18-08 08:00 AM |
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I dunno. I read it somewhere - on here, in fact. |
Laurab |
Mar-18-08 11:06 PM |
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"Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts" |
K Gardner |
Mar-17-08 03:14 PM |
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good riddance |
burythehatchet |
Mar-17-08 07:22 PM |
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What grassroots blogger ISN'T an "amateur"? Since when is any blogger paid? |
LittleClarkie |
Mar-17-08 08:04 PM |
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They'd rather have Mark Penn charging them $12 million for bad advice |
alcibiades_mystery |
Mar-17-08 09:33 PM |
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Kos is an amateur: that's why I like him |
alcibiades_mystery |
Mar-17-08 09:32 PM |
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Name removed |
Mar-18-08 01:16 AM |
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Gosh, are you paid by buzz word? |
PaulaFarrell |
Mar-18-08 03:57 AM |
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I'm sure I'm not the first to ask... |
KnaveRupe |
Mar-18-08 07:50 AM |
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OK - you lose for using the term 'Obamatron' to begin with |
ekwhite |
Mar-18-08 08:11 AM |
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When people like you lose the election for us in November I as a |
jwirr |
Mar-18-08 10:03 AM |
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wow |
purji |
Mar-18-08 10:17 AM |
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Did you make a wrong turn? |
Spiffarino |
Mar-18-08 02:42 PM |
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HillaryIS44 is a racist site that will go down |
gaiilonfong |
Mar-18-08 07:23 AM |
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in your dreams, demga |
roguevalley |
Mar-18-08 01:04 PM |
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Kos is not perfect. He gets things wrong sometimes. |
musiclawyer |
Mar-17-08 03:07 PM |
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I got a survey in the mail today from the DNC about the Primary Race. I took the |
K Gardner |
Mar-17-08 03:09 PM |
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I donated to the DNC and Obama today. |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:11 PM |
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Cheers KOS! |
CitizenRob |
Mar-17-08 03:12 PM |
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He sounds a little frantic and flopsweatty to me. That's not "inspiring"--it's petulant. NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:12 PM |
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Mark Penn? Is that you? |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:13 PM |
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The mango kool aid is delicious...do have some! NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:20 PM |
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I prefer the grape, thank you. |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:23 PM |
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Speaking of petulant. Mirror? |
K Gardner |
Mar-17-08 03:15 PM |
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What did I say that was petulant? I put forth an opinion in reasonable tones. |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:22 PM |
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You are so predictable I could practically write your posts for you |
CreekDog |
Mar-17-08 03:16 PM |
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No, I'm not. And you don't even know me. I sure as fuck don't know you. NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:20 PM |
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I read your posts here all the time |
CreekDog |
Mar-17-08 03:21 PM |
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No you don't, because I'm not here "all the time." |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:24 PM |
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i guess our definitions of "all the time" are different |
CreekDog |
Mar-17-08 03:26 PM |
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I guess they are. NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:30 PM |
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Is this a "reasonable tone" ? |
K Gardner |
Mar-17-08 03:41 PM |
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Sure. nt |
MADem |
Mar-17-08 03:46 PM |
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The very epitome of class & civility, as always.... |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-17-08 09:03 PM |
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hee-hee .. I saw "flop-sweat"..and immediately thought of... |
SoCalDem |
Mar-18-08 04:23 AM |
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Hurrah for KOS! The entire Democratic establishment needs to follow suite |
Catherina |
Mar-17-08 03:12 PM |
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I commend Kos for standing up for progressive principles.. sad that the same cant be said for DU... |
K Gardner |
Mar-17-08 03:13 PM |
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Big K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Mar-17-08 03:16 PM |
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aw, heck, I just copied and pasted |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:31 PM |
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Looks like DU's not the only place that's had to endure endless vitriol from the HRC boosters. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-17-08 03:22 PM |
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Kos |
Beregond2 |
Mar-17-08 03:25 PM |
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Terrific post, Kos! |
Nedsdag |
Mar-17-08 03:28 PM |
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Thank you, Kos! And, thank you, FLDem5, for posting it! K&R! |
flpoljunkie |
Mar-17-08 03:29 PM |
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Thank you Kos! |
Upton |
Mar-17-08 03:29 PM |
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Neither candidate can get the nomination without the aid of the superdelegates. |
Bentcorner |
Mar-17-08 03:31 PM |
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I respectfully disagree - |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 03:34 PM |
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But he can't get the needed amount of delegates either. |
Bentcorner |
Mar-17-08 03:52 PM |
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see OP, or better yet, read the entire diary. |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 04:43 PM |
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You said it. |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-17-08 04:05 PM |
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I'm not sure I follow. It is pretty much a certainty that neither |
tandem5 |
Mar-17-08 04:15 PM |
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plese see Op |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 06:37 PM |
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Too funny...trying to reason with pod people! |
Zee Miller |
Mar-18-08 01:24 AM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Mar-17-08 03:33 PM |
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This guy has completely come off the rails! Why doesn't he call it the DailyObama? |
elixir |
Mar-17-08 03:34 PM |
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What do you think will happen if she goes after the SD's the way she is? |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 03:49 PM |
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he definitely wants the more progressive candidate to win |
hfojvt |
Mar-17-08 03:53 PM |
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Before we get to the fact based discussions we need to be sure Hillary supporters know basic math. |
kwenu |
Mar-17-08 04:42 PM |
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Is she really doing anything different |
hfojvt |
Mar-17-08 03:34 PM |
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Kos rox! |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-17-08 03:41 PM |
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Speak to truth to everyone!!!! |
uponit7771 |
Mar-17-08 03:48 PM |
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This paragraph from kos captures perfectly the reasons so many of us don't support Clinton: |
Oregonian |
Mar-17-08 03:54 PM |
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From what I've seen from the DLC, They blow big time |
Grinchie |
Mar-18-08 03:36 AM |
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DiMaio v DNC heard today...decision to be rendered later. |
madfloridian |
Mar-17-08 04:09 PM |
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This was a great thing to come home and read. |
Kristi1696 |
Mar-17-08 04:29 PM |
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I love it when it doesn't take |
zidzi |
Mar-17-08 04:30 PM |
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There is nothing more satisfying than the straight cold truth. Thanks Kos. Thanks Olbermann. |
kwenu |
Mar-17-08 04:39 PM |
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I noticed how right away the Hillbots start attacking Kos, not the content |
ORDem |
Mar-17-08 04:46 PM |
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thank you to FLDem5 |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-17-08 04:49 PM |
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thanks - but I just posted it |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 05:17 PM |
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K&R! |
New Dawn |
Mar-17-08 04:51 PM |
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Nice... Calling people paranoid. |
cornermouse |
Mar-17-08 05:20 PM |
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deleted dup |
DeschutesRiver |
Mar-17-08 06:59 PM |
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I don't know anything about KOS |
DeschutesRiver |
Mar-17-08 07:09 PM |
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wonderful post |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 07:19 PM |
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thanks for the welcome |
DeschutesRiver |
Mar-17-08 07:57 PM |
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Welcome/ I think your point is the crux of the issue. This is no time in |
jwirr |
Mar-18-08 10:29 AM |
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I'm afraid that I have decided as well. It will be the first time |
JeanGrey |
Mar-18-08 07:52 AM |
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The Clintons were ok with starting 'their own DNC' before |
knixphan |
Mar-17-08 07:22 PM |
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Disgusting of Kos...Throwing folks under the bus who aren't even Clinton Supporters! |
KoKo01 |
Mar-17-08 07:36 PM |
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Note from John at Americablog: Amen |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 07:39 PM |
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Meanwhile, Obama supporters joyfully welcome superdelegates who switch to Obama |
twelve roses |
Mar-17-08 07:52 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
FLDem5 |
Mar-17-08 07:53 PM |
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Bravo Kos, |
spokane |
Mar-17-08 08:01 PM |
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Thank you Kos! |
SunsetDreams |
Mar-17-08 08:43 PM |
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K & R |
OwnedByFerrets |
Mar-17-08 08:53 PM |
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Preachin' to the Choir! |
mckara |
Mar-17-08 09:04 PM |
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Who is the author of this article? |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-17-08 09:40 PM |
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Clintophobia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep. |
Perry Logan |
Mar-17-08 09:41 PM |
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Kos and Rush sitting in a tree |
jconner27 |
Mar-18-08 12:32 AM |
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It's really awful. Just plain awful. |
Kurovski |
Mar-18-08 01:43 AM |
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I've lost all respect for Hillary because of the way she has |
Daphne08 |
Mar-18-08 01:43 AM |
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"Clinton and her shrinking band of paranoid holdouts wail and scream about all those evil people" |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 01:44 AM |
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rofl |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 01:54 AM |
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I slay politicians. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:01 AM |
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you bad!! |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 02:03 AM |
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At least you have a sense of humor. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:04 AM |
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Hehehe...he looks adorable. |
Kurovski |
Mar-18-08 02:11 AM |
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mmmmmeeetoooo! |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:14 AM |
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So THAT'S how they make that manwich crap. |
Kurovski |
Mar-18-08 02:20 AM |
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It's what's in Huckaburgers... it's got electrolytes. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:22 AM |
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I can indeed laugh at myself and Joe |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 02:18 AM |
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Ok, one more just for you.... in case you've really got the munchies. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:20 AM |
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Does Hillary have a Serial yet? |
Kurovski |
Mar-18-08 02:22 AM |
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She's more like sauerkraut. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-18-08 02:24 AM |
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Looks like a lot of carbon there. |
Kurovski |
Mar-18-08 02:28 AM |
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Make that marmite |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 02:52 AM |
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SwampRat you are an equal opportunity offender |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 02:51 AM |
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Swamprat - you are the best |
FLDem5 |
Mar-18-08 07:25 AM |
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Kick and Rec |
48percenter |
Mar-18-08 01:53 AM |
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wow Kos really is a hyperventilating bag of hot cowpies.. |
Algorem |
Mar-18-08 02:15 AM |
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Me Me Me .. it's all about Me. Don't listen to anyone who says |
List left |
Mar-18-08 03:37 AM |
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Kos has this one exactly right. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-18-08 07:30 AM |
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Even if she did nothing more than support Obama in this latest attack, I |
DrZeeLit |
Mar-18-08 07:40 AM |
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Why is Kos defending Hillary? Is he double talking? |
action2008 |
Mar-18-08 07:40 AM |
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Billary will never quit, she thinks it belongs to her. |
BlueJac |
Mar-18-08 08:57 AM |
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K/R |
votesomemore |
Mar-18-08 09:02 AM |
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Awesome post !!!!!! |
FreeStateofWinston |
Mar-18-08 10:04 AM |
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actually, they are BOTH willing to destroy the party in their quest for power |
bpeale |
Mar-18-08 12:08 PM |
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Hillary is DLC. It has always been the goal of the DLC to break up the |
loudsue |
Mar-18-08 12:35 PM |
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well, technically, they've wanted to TRANSFORM the party into republican lite |
Lerkfish |
Mar-18-08 01:59 PM |
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K&R |
biglefthander |
Mar-18-08 12:39 PM |
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I may be stupid, |
snooper2 |
Mar-18-08 01:06 PM |
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nickname of Markos Moulitsas |
InsultComicDog |
Mar-18-08 01:55 PM |
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Kos is absolutely correct. n/t |
Tatiana |
Mar-19-08 12:15 AM |
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