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Mon Mar-17-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #109 |
| 111. Obama's win had racial implications just like Romney's Utah wins and a few others had religious ones |
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Is it illegal to state the obvious? Does Obama's new politics include bans on some aspects of political analysis?
Demographics matter. The Obama campaign itself pointed to demographics in Wisconsin to further hype its win. Was it trying to say white working class votes matter more than others when it did that? No. It was pointing out Obama did well among a group he previously, and subsequently, has struggled with. There are points to be gained or lost based on expectations. Clinton was trying to lower expectations for his candidate, the Obama campaign raise it for Clinton in Wisconsin after the result was in.
The significance was simple. Of the two dozen states that voted on Super Tuesday only two had demographics similar to South Carolina. Essentially this is what he was trying to say to the msm: "Don't read too much into Obama's win. He won it on racial lines and he won't be able to do that in 20 Super Tuesday states." Of course he could not say so explicitly. That argument failed, largely because the Obama campaign quickly pounced and playing the race card to claim it is racist to point out Obama won on race. Obama then received a shot of momentum that lifted him into a tie for Super Tuesday.
Romney won Utah. It was part of Super Tuesday. Let's suppose it was a week before Super Tuesday. Would it be bigoted if someone mentioned the fact that no one had a shot to beat him there because of the large Mormon population there? If Utah were an early state you can bet that point would have made. Or look at Huckabee. The evangelical populations in the early states were mentioned by the media and political analysts. Would it be bigoted to point out the two early states he did well in, Iowa and South Carolina, had large populations of this group and the three that didn't, New Hampshire, Michigan, and Nevada he fared poorly in? Going back to the Democratic side, JFK won four out of five Catholic votes in 1960. He tipped some states with large Catholic populations that usually voted Republican. Would it be anti-Catholic to put two and two together?
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| -Bill Clinton claims he was "mugged" by the Obama campaign... |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 12:22 PM |
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Reminds me of this Onion headline... |
anigbrowl |
Mar-17-08 12:23 PM |
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My wife said "Choice words there, Bill..." |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 12:24 PM |
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That link is funny |
psychopomp |
Mar-17-08 02:28 PM |
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I hate it when black people mug white people. |
burythehatchet |
Mar-17-08 12:24 PM |
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Bill made race an issue after Obama won South Carolina |
NJSecularist |
Mar-17-08 12:25 PM |
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Do you have any proof? |
DemGa |
Mar-17-08 02:00 PM |
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Then his apology is a myth. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-17-08 12:25 PM |
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And Hillary's apology for him. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 12:38 PM |
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Bill has been pimping himself out, using his presidency to enrich himself, foreign nationals |
cryingshame |
Mar-17-08 12:26 PM |
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He *knows* many either didn't notice or don't care. (nt) |
redqueen |
Mar-17-08 12:51 PM |
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Oh Goody. Bill does it again. |
Armstead |
Mar-17-08 12:26 PM |
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What, only black people mug? That would be news to Charles Dickens. |
MetricSystem |
Mar-17-08 12:27 PM |
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No but in modern America that has become one of those code words |
Armstead |
Mar-17-08 12:30 PM |
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good work, 900 posts in a month. |
mopinko |
Mar-17-08 12:38 PM |
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WTF? I've been here for 2 months and NO I'm not paid. Again, why do some Obama supporters think |
MetricSystem |
Mar-17-08 12:52 PM |
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why do hillbots post such crap? |
mopinko |
Mar-17-08 01:13 PM |
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Get what I deserve? The only thing you proved is that you don't know what month it is! |
MetricSystem |
Mar-17-08 01:53 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-17-08 12:29 PM |
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There are plenty of white muggers in America |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 12:54 PM |
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Maybe if you make this clueless point multiple times it will seem credible. |
endarkenment |
Mar-17-08 01:22 PM |
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Political history would suggest otherwise |
Armstead |
Mar-17-08 01:24 PM |
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I know about Willie Horton and all the rest |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 01:36 PM |
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It already is on the politically loaded list -- That's the point |
Armstead |
Mar-17-08 01:58 PM |
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LOL. There would be no basis to argue that one n/t |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 02:04 PM |
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Glad some of us still have a sense of humor around here |
Armstead |
Mar-17-08 02:07 PM |
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I wish he would stop being a fool. |
roguevalley |
Mar-17-08 01:40 PM |
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what a pathetic ugly asshole he's become. |
Whisp |
Mar-17-08 12:27 PM |
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ah a victim of "street crime" dog-whistlin bill at it again. |
meow mix |
Mar-17-08 12:27 PM |
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"Mugged?" That sounds like a NewsMax headline. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-17-08 12:28 PM |
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Oh man, not to belittle your art, but do you have the original photo? that is precious. nt |
thereismore |
Mar-17-08 12:43 PM |
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"Mugging," eh Bill? |
Nedsdag |
Mar-17-08 12:28 PM |
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He doesn't want her to win. That's the only explanation. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 12:29 PM |
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Bingo! |
loyalsister |
Mar-17-08 03:08 PM |
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What a terrible year to be Bill Clinton. |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 03:18 PM |
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"mugged" is an interesting word - but he is correct that Obama twisted what he said so as to play |
papau |
Mar-17-08 12:29 PM |
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That would be.. |
Tellurian |
Mar-17-08 02:04 PM |
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Sounds like a fairy tale. |
jaxx |
Mar-17-08 12:29 PM |
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The Poor Clintons - Victims of a vast black folks conspiracy. |
Skwmom |
Mar-17-08 12:30 PM |
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LOL nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-17-08 12:31 PM |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 12:32 PM |
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Snap! |
TahitiNut |
Mar-17-08 12:50 PM |
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That made me laugh out loud in my cubicle! |
yardwork |
Mar-17-08 01:25 PM |
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Lol! We'll have to update this cartoon |
Catherina |
Mar-17-08 01:37 PM |
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Clinton was being exactly as truthful as Wright was being but got attacked for it. |
Rageneau |
Mar-17-08 12:31 PM |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 12:33 PM |
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Even if he is right, it was a pretty poor choice of words |
democrattotheend |
Mar-17-08 12:35 PM |
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Bill Clinton never told a lie?! ROTFL! |
yardwork |
Mar-17-08 01:25 PM |
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Bill has been wronged! |
ericgtr |
Mar-17-08 12:32 PM |
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Poor Billy getting picked on! |
tabasco |
Mar-17-08 12:41 PM |
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Jesse Jackson either won Carolina 20 years ago or he didn't |
BenDavid |
Mar-17-08 12:32 PM |
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John Edwards won SC 4 years ago and failed to win the nomination |
democrattotheend |
Mar-17-08 12:36 PM |
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Edwards won both the white and black vote. Obama and JJ won on racial lines |
jackson_dem |
Mar-17-08 02:51 PM |
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So you admit that Bill's Jesse Jackson comment had racial implications? |
democrattotheend |
Mar-17-08 03:11 PM |
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Obama's win had racial implications just like Romney's Utah wins and a few others had religious ones |
jackson_dem |
Mar-17-08 06:05 PM |
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Nobody is forcing Bill Clinton to say stupid things. |
yibbehobba |
Mar-17-08 12:43 PM |
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Sorry, as an ex prez..Billy boy is a BIG dissapointment! |
NDambi |
Mar-17-08 12:59 PM |
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It's Obama's fault! He CARJACKED the election! |
NorthernSpy |
Mar-17-08 12:35 PM |
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OMG any trick like their word means much. They have secret service. |
cooolandrew |
Mar-17-08 12:35 PM |
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Poor Bill. |
No Surrender |
Mar-17-08 12:39 PM |
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Everything he says just comes out the wrong way doesn't it. I loved that man. |
thereismore |
Mar-17-08 12:40 PM |
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Bill has changed ever since he became chummy with Bush Sr. nt |
thereismore |
Mar-17-08 12:44 PM |
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It's an either/or proposition. |
americanstranger |
Mar-17-08 12:46 PM |
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What's "dog-whistle" politics? |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 12:55 PM |
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Dog-Whistle Politics |
americanstranger |
Mar-17-08 01:00 PM |
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Fascinating. |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 01:02 PM |
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cool. I learned something new. Wasn't Reagan the Godfather |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Mar-17-08 02:03 PM |
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Yep, although they were called 'code words' back then. |
americanstranger |
Mar-17-08 02:45 PM |
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"dog-whistle" politics... |
knowledgeispwr |
Mar-17-08 01:07 PM |
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Definitely the latter |
bicentennial_baby |
Mar-17-08 01:00 PM |
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"Poor, Bill. He just can't help himself!" |
flpoljunkie |
Mar-17-08 02:17 PM |
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At least he didn't claim to be "car-jacked". |
Blue-Jay |
Mar-17-08 12:52 PM |
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lol . . .water . . nose . . spray . . . .keyboard --- gotta get a paper towel |
grantcart |
Mar-17-08 12:58 PM |
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What Obama needs - more Bill Clinton |
grantcart |
Mar-17-08 12:58 PM |
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OMG! Obama is playing the "race-card!" |
knowledgeispwr |
Mar-17-08 12:59 PM |
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Doesn't the mugging analogy have racial overtones? |
dbonds |
Mar-17-08 01:00 PM |
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I thinnk it is racist to presume that muggers are black |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 01:05 PM |
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No, the implication is we've cracked Bill's code. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 01:06 PM |
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bullshit. prime example of using code words to evoke racial stereotypes. |
endarkenment |
Mar-17-08 01:21 PM |
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Here is a fact |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 01:48 PM |
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You are either very thick and naive or deliberately obtuse. |
endarkenment |
Mar-17-08 02:06 PM |
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I think you are swell too. n/t |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 02:28 PM |
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I agree that Big Dog shouldn't have used those words when talking about Obama. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-17-08 01:02 PM |
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Yes. Now it is considered racist to not realize that the simple mention of a form of crime |
Tom Rinaldo |
Mar-17-08 01:07 PM |
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You said it, I didn't... |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 01:30 PM |
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In fact, I don't think he should be allowed to use vowels... |
uberblonde |
Mar-17-08 01:54 PM |
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He could have said he was lynched |
marshall |
Mar-17-08 01:08 PM |
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Sorry Bill, if it looks like a duck - quacks like a duck.... |
RiverStone |
Mar-17-08 01:11 PM |
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Charlie Rangel doesn't have a problem with what Clinton said. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-17-08 01:17 PM |
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The Clintons are crap. Put on the white hoods and get on with the lynching. |
endarkenment |
Mar-17-08 01:19 PM |
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The Clintons should have been better prepared |
moobu2 |
Mar-17-08 01:23 PM |
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I Guess "Hit Job" Was The Wrong Ethnic Stereotype |
DrFunkenstein |
Mar-17-08 01:23 PM |
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what an idiot. c'mon Bill - you really need to stop. n/t |
OhioBlue |
Mar-17-08 01:26 PM |
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So now "mugging" is supposed to be a code word with racial overtones? |
Arkansas Granny |
Mar-17-08 01:31 PM |
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I'm not sure it has "racial" overtones but the whole notion that he's a victim of a "crime" |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 01:34 PM |
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yes of course it is and has been for quite some time. |
endarkenment |
Mar-17-08 02:43 PM |
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They can't get more pathetic. This is really sad to watch |
Catherina |
Mar-17-08 01:39 PM |
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If you assume muggers are black... |
uberblonde |
Mar-17-08 01:52 PM |
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Where I live, muggers are white. But if you had most Americans take an implicit bias test... |
NorthernSpy |
Mar-17-08 03:08 PM |
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well, I guess it is a good thing he called it a myth and not a fairy tale. |
Johnny__Motown |
Mar-17-08 01:55 PM |
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It's apparent that it won't be Bush who gets frontotemporal dementia first. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Mar-17-08 01:56 PM |
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ZERO proof of anything racist from Bill Clinton -- as usual |
DemGa |
Mar-17-08 02:08 PM |
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Michelle Obama claims she was hugged! |
ClayZ |
Mar-17-08 02:09 PM |
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Bill needs to listen to his own advice. |
Forkboy |
Mar-17-08 02:12 PM |
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Talk about your fairly tales, Bill |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-17-08 02:14 PM |
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Bill Clinton "mugged" America the day he signed NAFTA. n/t |
invictus |
Mar-17-08 02:15 PM |
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It's on Youtube, Bubba! Get a clue, this ain't 1992! We've got viral videos now, old man! |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-17-08 02:15 PM |
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Poor Bill |
BlueIdaho |
Mar-17-08 02:22 PM |
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He's right. He was attacked unfairly. Kind of the way the OP is attacking him unfairly... |
glenhappy |
Mar-17-08 02:31 PM |
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I didn't say anything about "mugged" being racist or having racial overtones... |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-17-08 02:46 PM |
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Right. All those unfortunate choices are just accidents! |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-17-08 02:51 PM |
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Sorry duplicate post. |
glenhappy |
Mar-17-08 02:31 PM |
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I'm surprised he didn't use the word "looted" since he was in New Orleans |
MagickMuffin |
Mar-17-08 02:41 PM |
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... |
Mooney |
Mar-17-08 02:43 PM |
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Obama's cronies, as usual, resort to the race card at the slightest of opportunity |
jackson_dem |
Mar-17-08 02:53 PM |
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Well, we can sit here and argue about this all day, but the bottom line |
Obama_for_our_future |
Mar-17-08 06:19 PM |
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