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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:49 AM
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24. 3. Commitment to the "BLACK" Community...Church's Blk value system...

One might describe the list as good tinged with racial identity. One way to look at the list is to remove the racial references and see if the statements hold up:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Community
3. Commitment to the Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all leadership who espouse and embrace the Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Value System.

Absent racial references, these statements of values are quite admirable. They mostly represent mainstream Judeo-Christian American values.

How would you feel about a church that proclaimed a White Value System, by substituting the word 'White' for the word 'Black' in the list above? I can hear the media

elites ringing condemnations already.

Perhaps the "pursuit of 'Middleclassness'" refers to crass materialism, something many might benefit from personally by disavowing.

I fail to see how a church that steeps its values in racial identity is not practicing racism. One wonders how welcoming that congregation would be to non-black

Christians. I would hope that Christian values would prevail. It would violate basic Christian values to pursue such racial divisions. These are the very same Christian

values that rang out so clearly in Dr. Martin Luther King's powerful speeches.

Let Americans never forget Dr King's reiteration of the American dream:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

As one...NOT Black America..White America....One America..remember? I really don't get THAT message from Rev. Wright.
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  -Wright Exposes Hillary Supporters Willing To Align Themselves With Republican Values/Principles cryingshame  Mar-17-08 08:54 AM   #0 
  - "God damn America" is a democratic value?  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-17-08 08:57 AM   #1 
  - Go over to GD and count the threads where people express anger  sfexpat2000   Mar-17-08 08:58 AM   #2 
  - There is a difference between being angry at GW and hating the country  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-17-08 09:00 AM   #5 
     - Nothing in Wright's sermon means "hating America". You bought the GOP version of reality  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 09:04 AM   #7 
     - It is in Hillary's best interest to promote the GOP meaning of Wright's words...  ReverendDeuce   Mar-17-08 09:11 AM   #15 
     - Wright's statement about Hillary were really over the top.  jasmine621   Mar-18-08 08:43 AM   #86 
     - 3. Commitment to the "BLACK" Community...Church's Blk value system...  indimuse   Mar-17-08 09:49 AM   #24 
     - more white dude crying that there is no white history month.  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 10:03 AM   #31 
     - God forbid the black community support the black community.  sfexpat2000   Mar-17-08 10:08 AM   #34 
     - .  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 10:17 AM   #43 
     - "I fail to see how a church that steeps its values in racial identity is not practicing racism."  live love laugh   Mar-18-08 08:20 AM   #82 
     - Some people only hear what they want to hear.  InAbLuEsTaTe   Mar-17-08 10:06 AM   #33 
     - Eek, you really are a sad sack of cookies. YOu have dug a hole you'll never get out of.  elixir   Mar-17-08 10:24 AM   #56 
     - Wright didn't say Hillary couldn't be president although  sfexpat2000   Mar-17-08 09:05 AM   #8 
     - I didn't realize enlisting in the US military is sign of hating your country  wndycty   Mar-17-08 09:07 AM   #10 
        - And Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine. That doesn't mean anything.  Bentcorner   Mar-17-08 10:13 AM   #39 
        - Max Cleland served also. But that doesn't matter when one has a good Republican Rant(tm) going. (NT)  Tesha   Mar-18-08 08:53 AM   #91 
  - And those words were said in what context? A context 100% aligned with Democratic ideals  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 09:00 AM   #4 
  - Seriosuly, just grow the hell up...  ReverendDeuce   Mar-17-08 09:03 AM   #6 
  - Don't forget "US KKK of A"  durrrty libby   Mar-17-08 09:06 AM   #9 
  - How many references to AmeriKKKa have been made here? What does THAT mean? n/t  live love laugh   Mar-18-08 08:22 AM   #83 
  - The flip side of the perpetual chorus of "God bless America" and  Skidmore   Mar-17-08 09:08 AM   #11 
  - Many of the Religious Right actually say "God Damn America" but go on to blame gays  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 09:11 AM   #13 
  - Have you ever even BEEN in a church?  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 09:55 AM   #28 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-17-08 10:09 AM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-18-08 08:41 AM   #84 
  - Being able to say, God Damn America, is a democratic value. It's called freedom of speech.  Unbowed   Mar-17-08 07:35 PM   #80 
  - no, believing ONLY the 5 second soundbite is a Republican value  LSK   Mar-18-08 12:10 PM   #107 
  - Wright promotes hateful and destructive values through his 50-odd ministries  BeyondGeography   Mar-17-08 08:59 AM   #3 
  - "first come first serve basis??" an outrage! outrage i tell you!!!  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 09:09 AM   #12 
  - I'd love to see clips of the drill team promoting scripture  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 09:15 AM   #16 
     - It's a sign of the apocolypse!  rucky   Mar-17-08 09:45 AM   #22 
  - "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."  MethuenProgressive   Mar-17-08 09:11 AM   #14 
  - So government is the answer to our problems then?  nolabels   Mar-17-08 09:59 AM   #30 
  - Tuskagee Syphilis Experiment. An informed Democrat would acknowledge the possibility  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 10:17 AM   #44 
  - Word...  WillyT   Mar-17-08 10:30 AM   #60 
  - Well, they did tell us that Iraq had WMD, and now over a million people are dead. I guess you can  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 08:43 AM   #87 
  - more obamite desperation  Howardx   Mar-17-08 09:35 AM   #17 
  - the same number as  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 09:42 AM   #21 
  - Your Closed Minded Arrogance Is Far More Republican Like Than Those Thinking For Themselves And  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-17-08 09:37 AM   #18 
  - Jeez, some folks just know their place, do they?  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 08:46 AM   #88 
  - Hillary supporters enable GOP racism , just like their candidate enables GOP war  Gonnabuymeagun   Mar-17-08 09:39 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-17-08 09:42 AM   #20 
  - How very "uniting" of you. n/t  Stand and Fight   Mar-17-08 10:03 AM   #32 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-17-08 10:18 AM   #47 
  - He's 100% correct ...  Yurovsky   Mar-17-08 09:48 AM   #23 
  - "He's 100% correct "  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 09:50 AM   #26 
  - So tell me which parts are incorrect.  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 09:57 AM   #29 
     - I have no evidence that the government invented HIV  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 10:09 AM   #35 
     - Do you have a basic knowledge of when our Govt. has used biological warfare and used blacks  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 10:18 AM   #46 
        - Nice dodge. I'll try carefully.....  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 10:22 AM   #53 
     - I have no evidence of the following, do you?  BigDDem   Mar-17-08 10:17 AM   #45 
  - If he's 100% correct, as you say,  dbaker41   Mar-17-08 11:19 AM   #70 
     - because of the  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 11:35 AM   #71 
        - bingo.  knixphan   Mar-18-08 09:04 AM   #95 
  - We never had so many Clinton supporters here before  ginnyinWI   Mar-17-08 09:49 AM   #25 
  - No shit. I had no idea how many flag-fuckers and oppressed white people we had here.  thecatburgler   Mar-17-08 09:55 AM   #27 
  - Many Christian preachers preach the 'fire and brimstone' found in Wright's sermons.  Maribelle   Mar-17-08 10:09 AM   #36 
  - The idea that the U.S. invented HIV is part of the Democratic platform?  Bentcorner   Mar-17-08 10:11 AM   #38 
  - The US gov't DID flood African American communities with drugs  thecatburgler   Mar-17-08 10:19 AM   #48 
  - What seems to be exposed here, is some Obama supporters willing to agree with  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:14 AM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-17-08 10:16 AM   #42 
  - Are you accusing Sen Obama  leftynyc   Mar-17-08 10:21 AM   #52 
  - So are you saying he's lying and throwing his spiritual advisor under the bus then?  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:22 AM   #54 
  - Racist Comments like this are against DU Rules.  Tellurian   Mar-18-08 08:50 AM   #90 
  - what outrageous things?  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 10:20 AM   #49 
  - Have you seen the speeches?  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:21 AM   #50 
  - No. Enlighten me.  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 10:28 AM   #57 
  - yes, particularly the ones posted on RW hate sites.  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 10:28 AM   #58 
     - Yup. I certainly have.  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:31 AM   # 
     - care to elaborate on teh parts that are so outrageous?  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 10:32 AM   #64 
        - Well...let's see  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:39 AM   #65 
           - thjanks for the list- that's what i was aking for- now, context my friend  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 11:00 AM   #67 
           - Well, let's run it down.  sfexpat2000   Mar-17-08 11:44 AM   #73 
     - Yup. I certainly have.  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:31 AM   #62 
  - hear hear  knixphan   Mar-18-08 09:02 AM   #94 
  - then just admit you don't agree with Democratic ideals on social justice.  cryingshame   Mar-17-08 10:21 AM   #51 
     - Why do you assume you know what I think about Wright's comments?  wlucinda   Mar-17-08 10:29 AM   #59 
        - Do tell. What do you think?  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 11:56 AM   #74 
  - "Willing to align themselves with Republican Values...?"  txaslftist   Mar-17-08 10:15 AM   #41 
  - Boy CS, this must be a tough time for you. You really had to reach to put this one together.  elixir   Mar-17-08 10:23 AM   #55 
  - Well now isn't this some high-riding, apologetic gibberish...  bridgit   Mar-17-08 10:31 AM   #61 
  - Here's the proof, on video. DU's greatest hits...  ClassWarrior   Mar-17-08 11:09 AM   #69 
     - Everyone knows that, but that's not even what I'm referring to for instance, "For instance, 9/11...  bridgit   Mar-18-08 10:21 AM   #104 
  - I've decided if Americans are dumb enough to fall for the Obama = Wright deceit  ResetButton   Mar-17-08 10:32 AM   #63 
  - But when Obama wants to attract repub's okay?  girl_interrupted   Mar-17-08 10:58 AM   #66 
     - "I'm sorry but Wright preaches Hate, period."  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 11:04 AM   #68 
        - Well if Wright is going to bitch, he should get his facts straight  girl_interrupted   Mar-17-08 12:11 PM   #75 
           - You seem to have the impression that you know more than  sfexpat2000   Mar-18-08 09:22 AM   #100 
  - It definantly underscores how many people who aren't progressive  uponit7771   Mar-17-08 11:37 AM   #72 
  - Oh Please. HIllary  itcfish   Mar-17-08 12:15 PM   #76 
  - did you read the OP?  beezlebum   Mar-17-08 12:30 PM   #77 
  - Nonsense  JoFerret   Mar-17-08 12:59 PM   #78 
  - More silly crap from obama folk.  rodeodance   Mar-17-08 01:00 PM   #79 
  - Absolutely. I can't believe this right wing BS has found a receptive audience at DU  kdpeters   Mar-18-08 08:03 AM   #81 
  - seiously? Where have you been? The right wing crap against Clinton  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-18-08 08:42 AM   #85 
  - Is that why HRC chooses McCain over Obama. HRC has made her own bed and it's to the right.  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 09:07 AM   #97 
  - "chosen?" you are distorting Clinton's statment...are you suggesting  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-18-08 09:10 AM   #98 
     - Reagan is dead. McCain is running for president. I, as a Democrat, will never forget what Hillary  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 09:26 AM   #101 
        - How convenient for you as you are an Obama supporter.  Evergreen Emerald   Mar-18-08 09:40 AM   #103 
  - You got me there.  kdpeters   Mar-18-08 10:54 AM   #105 
  - Any idiot can get on this forum and post. You always have to keep that in mind when reading.  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 09:06 AM   #96 
  - you are wrong.  Texas Hill Country   Mar-18-08 08:49 AM   #89 
  - "Wright's sermons are 100% aligned with Democratic ideals" < from the OP  MethuenProgressive   Mar-18-08 08:58 AM   #92 
  - They sure are. The only people I hear smearing him are Republicans and HRC supporters.  IsItJustMe   Mar-18-08 09:00 AM   #93 
  - And thus you prove the point of the OP  kdpeters   Mar-18-08 12:08 PM   #106 
  - I Predicted  knixphan   Mar-18-08 09:17 AM   #99 
  - Robertson/Hagee  knixphan   Mar-18-08 09:28 AM   #102 

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