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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:12 PM
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111. It is the DLC that has the influence.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 03:14 PM by truedelphi
Senator Clinton is clearly their candidate.

They can pull legal strings and get their woman in - and I don't think Clinton herself cares one bit about the country.

One of the Superdelegates happens to be the governor of Pensylvannia. (Rendell) He is very much a DLC clone, and he was spouting off on Bill Maher that it would fall to him and other superdelegates to see to it that our country was not stuck with a "cheerleader" who had been voted in buy the people (He used the word "people" with great condescending wrath - he might as well have used the word "mob")

If that is any indication of what We The People are up against, I would say that odds might even favor Hillary getting the nomination
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  -What some folks are missing about Florida and Michigan... Kurt_and_Hunter  Mar-12-08 05:23 PM   #0 
  - Well guess what, Florida, at this point is pretty much stuck  MadHound   Mar-12-08 05:25 PM   #1 
  - Does Hillary have any actual influence over the decisions concerning  Arkansas Granny   Mar-12-08 05:28 PM   #6 
  - Yeah I've seen that too, even in the media  spoony   Mar-12-08 05:31 PM   #8 
  - No, actually both candidates have been consulted on possible solutions to this campaign  MadHound   Mar-12-08 05:33 PM   #9 
  - I had not heard this. Do you have a link?  Arkansas Granny   Mar-12-08 05:42 PM   #14 
     - No, I don't, sorry.  MadHound   Mar-12-08 05:47 PM   #17 
  - Of course she does!  ALiberalSailor   Mar-12-08 06:46 PM   #56 
  - It is the DLC that has the influence.  truedelphi   Mar-13-08 03:12 PM   #111 
  - I suggest removing half of the delegates. same as the repugs did. That would make the impact minimal  Johnny__Motown   Mar-12-08 06:11 PM   #37 
  - What's half of zero?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-13-08 11:28 AM   #102 
  - Get your damn facts straight, its Obama that is rejecting a solution  Seeker30   Mar-12-08 06:34 PM   #47 
     - See post #79 for update  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 09:13 PM   #80 
     - .  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 09:59 PM   #82 
     - actually....  lmbradford   Mar-13-08 12:17 AM   #92 
  - Yeah, that's why the states have different numbers of delegates, and electoral votes--  wienerdoggie   Mar-12-08 05:26 PM   #2 
  - There are a number of cities in both Michigan and Florida that are bigger than Wyoming  LisaM   Mar-12-08 05:26 PM   #3 
  - That's an excellent summary of the problem  spoony   Mar-12-08 05:34 PM   #11 
  - Well, and as it turns out, Michigan's problems are now everyone's  LisaM   Mar-12-08 05:45 PM   #15 
  - I don't know if you live in Michigan, but its miserable here.  last1standing   Mar-12-08 05:51 PM   #21 
     - Well, I'm from there, and most of my family is there.  LisaM   Mar-12-08 06:45 PM   # 
  - Spoony, that's just not true.  last1standing   Mar-12-08 05:49 PM   #18 
     - Not everything is about friggin' Hillary or friggin' Obama  spoony   Mar-12-08 06:04 PM   #31 
        - And as much as I like Levin, he was wrong on this.  last1standing   Mar-12-08 06:21 PM   #41 
           - lol  Two Americas   Mar-13-08 01:05 AM   #97 
  - Unilaterally voting to ignore the national party...  anigbrowl   Mar-12-08 05:51 PM   #20 
  - Interesting  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 05:26 PM   #4 
  - The Party can't give the delegates from FL and MI to Hillary.  yardwork   Mar-12-08 05:26 PM   #5 
  - Upon what...  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 05:29 PM   #7 
  - How does holding a new primary disenfranchise anyone?  anigbrowl   Mar-12-08 05:53 PM   #22 
  - I've already voted.  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 06:02 PM   #27 
     - bullshit.  Labors of Hercules   Mar-12-08 06:52 PM   #58 
     - You're spinning.  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:23 PM   #62 
        - in an unfair election, the only thing you can do is redo the election.  Labors of Hercules   Mar-14-08 10:31 AM   #120 
     - an illegitimate election. Try again.  Zhade   Mar-13-08 02:51 PM   #107 
  - that isn't even close to what yardwork argued. Quit throwing up strawmen.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-12-08 05:56 PM   #23 
  - I quoted him directly, FFS!!  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 06:07 PM   #33 
     - "legally and in good faith?" No campaigning was permitted for God's sake.  DeadElephant_ORG   Mar-12-08 06:21 PM   #40 
     - My candidate came in third...with 14% of the vote  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 06:41 PM   #53 
     - Then there's the fact that Clinton actually DID campaign in FL, but called it a "fund raiser".  Zhade   Mar-13-08 02:53 PM   #108 
     - Funny you should mention good Ol' Mitch  truedelphi   Mar-13-08 03:23 PM   #112 
     - Who is this "him" of whom you speak?  yardwork   Mar-12-08 07:01 PM   #60 
        - A thousand apologies.  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:25 PM   #63 
           - That's a line from Toy Story. Sorry. My profile says I'm female, etc.  yardwork   Mar-12-08 07:49 PM   #66 
              - I understand.  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:52 PM   #68 
                 - LOL! Absolutely - that's our DU!  yardwork   Mar-12-08 07:55 PM   #70 
  - There's plenty of evidence. Obama's supporters are more likely to be  yardwork   Mar-12-08 06:58 PM   #59 
     - So your "evidence" is your assumptions...  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:22 PM   #61 
        - I'm fine with the mail-in or some sort of do-over in FL.  yardwork   Mar-12-08 07:51 PM   #67 
           - Well, how about this?  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 08:34 PM   #76 
              - Seems fine to me. Now that we agree, who do we tell?  yardwork   Mar-12-08 10:13 PM   #85 
              - Well, I'm sure the DNC reads this board...  Birthmark   Mar-13-08 06:08 AM   #99 
                 - Howard, you've got my ok too - run with it, baby!  yardwork   Mar-13-08 10:20 AM   #100 
                 - I think you mean "idear"  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 02:45 PM   #106 
              - That's intriguing... though probably unworkable.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 11:06 PM   #86 
              - It's simple enough.  Birthmark   Mar-13-08 06:07 AM   #98 
                 - I agree that a penalty is important, but I cannot see my way to  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 12:41 PM   #104 
              - How about you add 20% to Obama that he picks up campaigning  foxer   Mar-13-08 12:23 AM   #95 
  - The illegal primaries will not count.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 05:34 PM   #10 
  - The primary was not "illegal."  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:28 PM   #64 
  - Sounds good to me.  Cant trust em   Mar-12-08 05:36 PM   #12 
  - Better to just say it wasn't a valid contest  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 04:08 PM   #116 
  - This Obama supporter agrees with you.......  FlyingSquirrel   Mar-12-08 05:38 PM   #13 
  - Proper primaries are better for Obama in the long run  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 05:45 PM   #16 
  - not the voters fault ?  WilyWondr   Mar-12-08 06:39 PM   #52 
     - By all means, throw the bums out. But the point of the OP remains.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:50 PM   #57 
        - Actually if proper primaries are NOT held he'll lose 56 delegates  FlyingSquirrel   Mar-12-08 10:02 PM   #83 
           - John Edwards has a strong claim to some of those uncommitted votes  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 11:31 AM   #103 
  - I agree with you on the situation with Michigan too  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 06:21 PM   #42 
  - They should strip ALL the super delegates in FL and MI  TheDoorbellRang   Mar-12-08 06:26 PM   #44 
  - The DNC does have a right to make it's own rules  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:37 PM   #65 
  - The illegitimate primary did not count.  kokono   Mar-12-08 05:50 PM   #19 
  - If she is blocking the road it makes no sense.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 05:59 PM   #26 
  - She's open to a revote.  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 06:37 PM   #49 
  - How is she blocking the road?  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 06:30 PM   #45 
     - it's too easy for old ladies to vote by mail  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:34 PM   #46 
     - God, no!  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 06:38 PM   #51 
        - !  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-14-08 01:12 PM   #121 
     - Ok, I thought it was only Hillary, everyone needs to agree on a solution  kokono   Mar-12-08 09:04 PM   #78 
     - Agreed.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 09:34 PM   #81 
     - I'll say it again....  lmbradford   Mar-13-08 12:23 AM   #94 
        - That law does not apply to something run by a political party  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 11:26 AM   #101 
  - Except she was the only one on the ballot in MI, so no one in MI could vote for any other Dem  rosebud57   Mar-12-08 05:59 PM   #24 
  - Of course the MI and FL "results" are meaningless.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:02 PM   #28 
  - My point is the fact Hillary wants to count MI shows she doesn't care about fair or voters  rosebud57   Mar-12-08 06:03 PM   #30 
     - Yes, but it's not about her.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:10 PM   #36 
  - Well, no, she wasn't, since I  spoony   Mar-12-08 06:07 PM   #32 
     - Yeah, I feel bad for Kucinich every time someone says she ran "unopposed"  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:23 PM   #43 
        - .  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 05:37 PM   #117 
  - Well the fact is 48 states could play by the rules  high density   Mar-12-08 05:59 PM   #25 
  - Real people vote in primaries, not states.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:03 PM   #29 
     - And what you have said means... absolutely nothing?  high density   Mar-12-08 06:35 PM   #48 
        - "The states only have themselves to blame."  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:38 PM   #50 
           - Umm, most states I know are made up of people  high density   Mar-12-08 06:45 PM   #54 
              - It seems by your reasoning that all the millions of people in those states willingly broke the rules  PseudoIntellect   Mar-12-08 10:04 PM   #84 
                 - Collective punishment. It worked so well in Iraq, let's try it in Michigan  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 11:50 PM   #87 
  - They're called "RULES" for a reason - they need to be followed.  InAbLuEsTaTe   Mar-12-08 06:08 PM   #34 
  - There is no rule against FL and MI holding proper primaries.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 06:13 PM   #38 
  - I'm so sick of this rigid "It's the rules" bs  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 06:14 PM   #39 
  - So...  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 07:57 PM   #71 
     - "Ach! Ah hate these rrrules!"  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 08:02 PM   #72 
        - "Willie hears ya. Willie don't care."  Birthmark   Mar-12-08 08:32 PM   #75 
  - I live in Michigan and I disagree,  Johnny__Motown   Mar-12-08 06:10 PM   #35 
  - One thing that keeps coming up in threads like this one...  hayu_lol   Mar-12-08 06:46 PM   #55 
     - I thought that they took their names off the ballot because the Party requested it?  yardwork   Mar-12-08 07:55 PM   #69 
  - Florida and Michigan broke the rules.  Blondiegrrl   Mar-12-08 08:16 PM   #73 
  - waaaaah! who cares if we lose the GE? just as long as O's the nominee.. nt  VotesForWomen   Mar-13-08 12:16 AM   #91 
  - Tell that to Howard Dean...he can't , or won't , understand that.  DemVet   Mar-12-08 08:23 PM   #74 
  - ARGH  exsoccermom   Mar-12-08 08:53 PM   #77 
     - Thanks for the insight...I didn't know the facts you stated. n/t  DemVet   Mar-13-08 05:40 PM   #118 
  - Obama Opposes Revote In Michigan (talk left)  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-12-08 09:12 PM   #79 
  - The problem for me is that I'm NOT missing the facts about FL and MI.  tofunut   Mar-13-08 12:10 AM   #88 
  - Good thoughtful post.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 12:22 AM   #93 
  - Didn't anyone ever tell you.....  lmbradford   Mar-13-08 12:11 AM   #89 
  - I'd agree if punishing them did not punish us all  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 12:30 AM   #96 
  - Who needs FL and MI? screw 'em. O's going to win with UT and WY!! nt  VotesForWomen   Mar-13-08 12:14 AM   #90 
  - What did all 28 million do and say before this happened to...  superkia   Mar-13-08 01:51 PM   #105 
  - Do you think lazy people deserve a vote? How about ignorant people?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 03:10 PM   #109 
     - Again, what did they do or say? Are you telling me that those...  superkia   Mar-13-08 03:27 PM   #113 
        - You seem to be blaming the people for sitting back rather than burning up the phone-lines  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 03:44 PM   #115 
  - I see your point, and I'll raise you  hfojvt   Mar-13-08 03:10 PM   #110 
  - So you can add Mississppi and one more state to the list  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 03:31 PM   #114 
  - Kick because the first step is admitting you have a problem  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-13-08 09:21 PM   #119 

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