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Wed Mar-12-08 05:26 PM
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| 2. Yeah, that's why the states have different numbers of delegates, and electoral votes-- |
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that's taking population into account. And...so?
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| -What some folks are missing about Florida and Michigan... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 05:23 PM |
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Well guess what, Florida, at this point is pretty much stuck |
MadHound |
Mar-12-08 05:25 PM |
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Does Hillary have any actual influence over the decisions concerning |
Arkansas Granny |
Mar-12-08 05:28 PM |
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Yeah I've seen that too, even in the media |
spoony |
Mar-12-08 05:31 PM |
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No, actually both candidates have been consulted on possible solutions to this campaign |
MadHound |
Mar-12-08 05:33 PM |
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I had not heard this. Do you have a link? |
Arkansas Granny |
Mar-12-08 05:42 PM |
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No, I don't, sorry. |
MadHound |
Mar-12-08 05:47 PM |
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Of course she does! |
ALiberalSailor |
Mar-12-08 06:46 PM |
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It is the DLC that has the influence. |
truedelphi |
Mar-13-08 03:12 PM |
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I suggest removing half of the delegates. same as the repugs did. That would make the impact minimal |
Johnny__Motown |
Mar-12-08 06:11 PM |
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What's half of zero? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-13-08 11:28 AM |
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Get your damn facts straight, its Obama that is rejecting a solution |
Seeker30 |
Mar-12-08 06:34 PM |
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See post #79 for update |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 09:13 PM |
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. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 09:59 PM |
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actually.... |
lmbradford |
Mar-13-08 12:17 AM |
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Yeah, that's why the states have different numbers of delegates, and electoral votes-- |
wienerdoggie |
Mar-12-08 05:26 PM |
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There are a number of cities in both Michigan and Florida that are bigger than Wyoming |
LisaM |
Mar-12-08 05:26 PM |
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That's an excellent summary of the problem |
spoony |
Mar-12-08 05:34 PM |
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Well, and as it turns out, Michigan's problems are now everyone's |
LisaM |
Mar-12-08 05:45 PM |
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I don't know if you live in Michigan, but its miserable here. |
last1standing |
Mar-12-08 05:51 PM |
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Well, I'm from there, and most of my family is there. |
LisaM |
Mar-12-08 06:45 PM |
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Spoony, that's just not true. |
last1standing |
Mar-12-08 05:49 PM |
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Not everything is about friggin' Hillary or friggin' Obama |
spoony |
Mar-12-08 06:04 PM |
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And as much as I like Levin, he was wrong on this. |
last1standing |
Mar-12-08 06:21 PM |
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lol |
Two Americas |
Mar-13-08 01:05 AM |
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Unilaterally voting to ignore the national party... |
anigbrowl |
Mar-12-08 05:51 PM |
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Interesting |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 05:26 PM |
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The Party can't give the delegates from FL and MI to Hillary. |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 05:26 PM |
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Upon what... |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 05:29 PM |
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How does holding a new primary disenfranchise anyone? |
anigbrowl |
Mar-12-08 05:53 PM |
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I've already voted. |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 06:02 PM |
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bullshit. |
Labors of Hercules |
Mar-12-08 06:52 PM |
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You're spinning. |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:23 PM |
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in an unfair election, the only thing you can do is redo the election. |
Labors of Hercules |
Mar-14-08 10:31 AM |
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...in an illegitimate election. Try again. |
Zhade |
Mar-13-08 02:51 PM |
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that isn't even close to what yardwork argued. Quit throwing up strawmen. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-12-08 05:56 PM |
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I quoted him directly, FFS!! |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 06:07 PM |
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"legally and in good faith?" No campaigning was permitted for God's sake. |
DeadElephant_ORG |
Mar-12-08 06:21 PM |
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My candidate came in third...with 14% of the vote |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 06:41 PM |
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Then there's the fact that Clinton actually DID campaign in FL, but called it a "fund raiser". |
Zhade |
Mar-13-08 02:53 PM |
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Funny you should mention good Ol' Mitch |
truedelphi |
Mar-13-08 03:23 PM |
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Who is this "him" of whom you speak? |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 07:01 PM |
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A thousand apologies. |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:25 PM |
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That's a line from Toy Story. Sorry. My profile says I'm female, etc. |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 07:49 PM |
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I understand. |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:52 PM |
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LOL! Absolutely - that's our DU! |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 07:55 PM |
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There's plenty of evidence. Obama's supporters are more likely to be |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 06:58 PM |
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So your "evidence" is your assumptions... |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:22 PM |
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I'm fine with the mail-in or some sort of do-over in FL. |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 07:51 PM |
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Well, how about this? |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 08:34 PM |
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Seems fine to me. Now that we agree, who do we tell? |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 10:13 PM |
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Well, I'm sure the DNC reads this board... |
Birthmark |
Mar-13-08 06:08 AM |
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Howard, you've got my ok too - run with it, baby! |
yardwork |
Mar-13-08 10:20 AM |
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I think you mean "idear" |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 02:45 PM |
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That's intriguing... though probably unworkable. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 11:06 PM |
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It's simple enough. |
Birthmark |
Mar-13-08 06:07 AM |
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I agree that a penalty is important, but I cannot see my way to |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 12:41 PM |
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How about you add 20% to Obama that he picks up campaigning |
foxer |
Mar-13-08 12:23 AM |
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The illegal primaries will not count. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 05:34 PM |
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The primary was not "illegal." |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:28 PM |
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Sounds good to me. |
Cant trust em |
Mar-12-08 05:36 PM |
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Better to just say it wasn't a valid contest |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 04:08 PM |
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This Obama supporter agrees with you....... |
FlyingSquirrel |
Mar-12-08 05:38 PM |
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Proper primaries are better for Obama in the long run |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 05:45 PM |
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not the voters fault ? |
WilyWondr |
Mar-12-08 06:39 PM |
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By all means, throw the bums out. But the point of the OP remains. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:50 PM |
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Actually if proper primaries are NOT held he'll lose 56 delegates |
FlyingSquirrel |
Mar-12-08 10:02 PM |
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John Edwards has a strong claim to some of those uncommitted votes |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 11:31 AM |
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I agree with you on the situation with Michigan too |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-12-08 06:21 PM |
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They should strip ALL the super delegates in FL and MI |
TheDoorbellRang |
Mar-12-08 06:26 PM |
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The DNC does have a right to make it's own rules |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:37 PM |
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The illegitimate primary did not count. |
kokono |
Mar-12-08 05:50 PM |
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If she is blocking the road it makes no sense. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 05:59 PM |
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She's open to a revote. |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-12-08 06:37 PM |
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How is she blocking the road? |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-12-08 06:30 PM |
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it's too easy for old ladies to vote by mail |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:34 PM |
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God, no! |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-12-08 06:38 PM |
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! |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-14-08 01:12 PM |
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Ok, I thought it was only Hillary, everyone needs to agree on a solution |
kokono |
Mar-12-08 09:04 PM |
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Agreed. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 09:34 PM |
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I'll say it again.... |
lmbradford |
Mar-13-08 12:23 AM |
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That law does not apply to something run by a political party |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 11:26 AM |
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Except she was the only one on the ballot in MI, so no one in MI could vote for any other Dem |
rosebud57 |
Mar-12-08 05:59 PM |
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Of course the MI and FL "results" are meaningless. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:02 PM |
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My point is the fact Hillary wants to count MI shows she doesn't care about fair or voters |
rosebud57 |
Mar-12-08 06:03 PM |
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Yes, but it's not about her. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:10 PM |
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Well, no, she wasn't, since I |
spoony |
Mar-12-08 06:07 PM |
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Yeah, I feel bad for Kucinich every time someone says she ran "unopposed" |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:23 PM |
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. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 05:37 PM |
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Well the fact is 48 states could play by the rules |
high density |
Mar-12-08 05:59 PM |
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Real people vote in primaries, not states. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:03 PM |
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And what you have said means... absolutely nothing? |
high density |
Mar-12-08 06:35 PM |
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"The states only have themselves to blame." |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:38 PM |
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Umm, most states I know are made up of people |
high density |
Mar-12-08 06:45 PM |
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It seems by your reasoning that all the millions of people in those states willingly broke the rules |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-12-08 10:04 PM |
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Collective punishment. It worked so well in Iraq, let's try it in Michigan |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 11:50 PM |
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They're called "RULES" for a reason - they need to be followed. |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-12-08 06:08 PM |
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There is no rule against FL and MI holding proper primaries. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 06:13 PM |
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I'm so sick of this rigid "It's the rules" bs |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-12-08 06:14 PM |
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So... |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 07:57 PM |
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"Ach! Ah hate these rrrules!" |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 08:02 PM |
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"Willie hears ya. Willie don't care." |
Birthmark |
Mar-12-08 08:32 PM |
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I live in Michigan and I disagree, |
Johnny__Motown |
Mar-12-08 06:10 PM |
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One thing that keeps coming up in threads like this one... |
hayu_lol |
Mar-12-08 06:46 PM |
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I thought that they took their names off the ballot because the Party requested it? |
yardwork |
Mar-12-08 07:55 PM |
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Florida and Michigan broke the rules. |
Blondiegrrl |
Mar-12-08 08:16 PM |
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waaaaah! who cares if we lose the GE? just as long as O's the nominee.. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Mar-13-08 12:16 AM |
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Tell that to Howard Dean...he can't , or won't , understand that. |
DemVet |
Mar-12-08 08:23 PM |
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ARGH |
exsoccermom |
Mar-12-08 08:53 PM |
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Thanks for the insight...I didn't know the facts you stated. n/t |
DemVet |
Mar-13-08 05:40 PM |
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Obama Opposes Revote In Michigan (talk left) |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-12-08 09:12 PM |
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The problem for me is that I'm NOT missing the facts about FL and MI. |
tofunut |
Mar-13-08 12:10 AM |
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Good thoughtful post. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 12:22 AM |
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Didn't anyone ever tell you..... |
lmbradford |
Mar-13-08 12:11 AM |
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I'd agree if punishing them did not punish us all |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 12:30 AM |
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Who needs FL and MI? screw 'em. O's going to win with UT and WY!! nt |
VotesForWomen |
Mar-13-08 12:14 AM |
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What did all 28 million do and say before this happened to... |
superkia |
Mar-13-08 01:51 PM |
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Do you think lazy people deserve a vote? How about ignorant people? |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 03:10 PM |
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Again, what did they do or say? Are you telling me that those... |
superkia |
Mar-13-08 03:27 PM |
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You seem to be blaming the people for sitting back rather than burning up the phone-lines |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 03:44 PM |
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I see your point, and I'll raise you |
hfojvt |
Mar-13-08 03:10 PM |
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So you can add Mississppi and one more state to the list |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 03:31 PM |
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Kick because the first step is admitting you have a problem |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-13-08 09:21 PM |
#119 |
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