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| 22. I think what everyone is forgetting is that the primary doesn't have to be democratic... |
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It is simply the process for party candidate selection. No where in the Constitution does it say that everyone has to vote in a primary. In fact, no where does it say that the parties have to listen to the public vote or ignore it. There are no political party rights in the Constitution. There are self-imposed codes by the parties to see who will most likely get the presidency (ie the strongest candidate). In actuallity, your vote means NOTHING in the primary. NOTHING. The vote as a whole is used as a measuring stick. Nothing more. The actual party vote happens at the convention. That's the only thing that really counts. Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but I'm getting tired of this whole debate.
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| -Obama not winning popular vote, so why does he claim he is? |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:03 PM |
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He is winning the popular vote with Florida included |
TAWS |
Mar-10-08 04:04 PM |
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He took his name off the ballot in MI |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:05 PM |
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Why does the rasmussen poll show him tied with Clinton in Michigan and him winning it in the GE? |
TAWS |
Mar-10-08 04:07 PM |
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they still voted for her BECAUSE SHE KEPT HER NAME ON THE BALLOT |
dmsRoar |
Mar-10-08 04:07 PM |
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I guess if you are a dem and the only dem on the ballot is hillary I |
movonne |
Mar-10-08 04:09 PM |
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Hillary only got 50% of MI votes--and she was the only name on the ballot! |
marshall |
Mar-10-08 08:08 PM |
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The 40% who voted "none of the above" in Michigan should count for Obama then.... |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:07 PM |
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Obama Told Them To Vote For Undecided. So She Wasn't Running Unopposed. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-10-08 04:10 PM |
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Bingo... so you have to give the 40% "Undecided" votes to him..... |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:12 PM |
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Why do you have to? HE took his name OFF the ballot |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:15 PM |
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No. It was not his decision. |
earthside |
Mar-10-08 04:26 PM |
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Sorry, but that is simply untrue |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:33 PM |
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If everyone knew that MI would not count, (even Hillary expressed verbal acknowledgement of it) |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-10-08 08:07 PM |
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I say "NO" to the re-vote. They are not disenfranchised. |
bilgewaterbill |
Mar-11-08 12:05 AM |
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So they shouldn't count at all? |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-11-08 01:27 AM |
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They should not count any differently now than they were going to |
bilgewaterbill |
Mar-11-08 05:54 AM |
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and some including Dodd and DK decided to keep their names ON |
rodeodance |
Mar-10-08 07:15 PM |
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Kucinich's name was only left on due to paperwork issues. |
last_texas_dem |
Mar-11-08 01:28 AM |
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Personally? I Don't Mind That. A Few Of Those % Were Probably Not His, But Overall I'd Agree. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-10-08 04:26 PM |
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It needs to be divided with Edwards and whoever else was still in then. |
anamandujano |
Mar-11-08 01:23 AM |
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John Conyers said that. |
ingin |
Mar-10-08 05:03 PM |
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You are wrong |
cali |
Mar-10-08 07:21 PM |
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Actually, John Conyers and his wife ran a campaign to get Uncommitted voters |
wlucinda |
Mar-10-08 04:16 PM |
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Yea, but did EVERY OTHER candidate except Hillary... |
ALiberalSailor |
Mar-10-08 05:00 PM |
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He took his OWN name off the ballot...not too bright. |
DemVet |
Mar-10-08 04:29 PM |
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Mkay... |
snooper2 |
Mar-10-08 04:04 PM |
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I thought BO supporters said it would be over.... |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:10 PM |
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It's been over for weeks.... you Hillbots and your candidate are just in denial... |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:11 PM |
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I agree! NT |
caledesi |
Mar-10-08 04:30 PM |
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And HRC herself stated she would wrap this thing up on Super Tuesday |
yourguide |
Mar-10-08 04:18 PM |
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She was so sure that she would wrap it up on Super Tuesday that her campaign |
madmunchie |
Mar-10-08 07:02 PM |
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Like GW & Rummy failing to plan the occupation. Crappy management, pure & simple. |
elehhhhna |
Mar-10-08 07:21 PM |
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She was wrong and Obama and you all were wrong about ending the race |
anamandujano |
Mar-11-08 01:25 AM |
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Ack... |
Abacus |
Mar-10-08 04:19 PM |
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He's also not winning in delegates, so I don't know what he's talking about |
sniffa |
Mar-10-08 04:05 PM |
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People Don't Come to See Him Speak |
otohara |
Mar-10-08 04:18 PM |
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I know you hate Obama |
GoPsUx |
Mar-10-08 04:05 PM |
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Yes, he is. In Hillary's word's Michigan and Florida "don't count" (her words, not mine). |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-10-08 04:05 PM |
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According to realclearpolitics.com... he's winning the popular vote... |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:06 PM |
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No, he isn't, even according to them |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:07 PM |
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If you (correctly) county the "none of the above" MI vote for Obama, he is..... |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:09 PM |
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HE took his name off the ballot in MI |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:14 PM |
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Except that 35-40% of that vote was for someone other than St. Obama... |
jackson_dem |
Mar-10-08 07:37 PM |
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Not exaclty - here is the link |
bhikkhu |
Mar-10-08 04:14 PM |
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HE took his name off the ballot |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:16 PM |
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Perhaps in Cuba that constitutes a valid election... |
bhikkhu |
Mar-10-08 04:48 PM |
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You know.... |
Hepburn |
Mar-10-08 07:26 PM |
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That is only with FL and MI, he wasn't on the ballot in MI |
harun |
Mar-10-08 07:28 PM |
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GO BACK INTO YOUR CAGE!!! Damn I hate level 2 n/t |
burythehatchet |
Mar-10-08 04:07 PM |
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Me too. |
bunnies |
Mar-10-08 04:08 PM |
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This is like a descent into hell. My 200+ Ignored list was making DU bearable again |
burythehatchet |
Mar-10-08 04:11 PM |
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Its amazing isnt it? |
bunnies |
Mar-10-08 04:25 PM |
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We're sadistic |
southern_dem |
Mar-11-08 01:01 AM |
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That's hysterical! Thanks for the laugh!! |
elixir |
Mar-10-08 04:13 PM |
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:) |
bunnies |
Mar-10-08 04:20 PM |
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Is that what happened? |
TheDoorbellRang |
Mar-10-08 04:10 PM |
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You know what's sad, I put like 5 people on Ignore before I realized they were already |
burythehatchet |
Mar-10-08 04:12 PM |
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Even if you count MI and FL |
pbca |
Mar-10-08 04:09 PM |
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he is winning the popular vote.... please provide a link to your assertions |
ORDagnabbit |
Mar-10-08 04:09 PM |
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You proved my point, thank you |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:11 PM |
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Hillary said "Michigan doesn't count for anything".... and I agree with her. You should too. |
scheming daemons |
Mar-10-08 04:10 PM |
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She had enough respect for them to leave her name on the ballot |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:13 PM |
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Respect?? A lot of us in Michigan were insulted.... |
tokenlib |
Mar-10-08 04:18 PM |
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I think what everyone is forgetting is that the primary doesn't have to be democratic... |
nothingtoofear |
Mar-10-08 04:11 PM |
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ummm- where are you getting your numbers? they seem to be wrong. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-10-08 04:12 PM |
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Let's try a credible source |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:21 PM |
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Ha! |
Nederland |
Mar-10-08 04:37 PM |
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You forgot * |
kokono |
Mar-10-08 04:38 PM |
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you seem to have a BIG FAT ASSterisk missing from your totals... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-10-08 04:57 PM |
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Whatever exceptions we can get so Hillary can seem to be ahead must be the only thing that's right. |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-10-08 08:16 PM |
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Obama is the front runner. EOM |
Genevieve |
Mar-10-08 04:14 PM |
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The frontrunner that less people prefer... |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:22 PM |
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Wrong -- |
Genevieve |
Mar-10-08 04:35 PM |
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Sorry, you don't get to pretend people in MI and FL didn't vote |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:38 PM |
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He would still lead, don't redefine reality ... nt |
Genevieve |
Mar-10-08 04:41 PM |
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FL and MI held invalid elections. They don't count, simple as that. |
JackORoses |
Mar-10-08 04:14 PM |
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The facts remain more people have voted for her than him |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:19 PM |
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How is actually counting voters "manipulating" anything? |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:27 PM |
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Florida and especially Michigan does not count |
gravity |
Mar-10-08 04:16 PM |
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I don't have to "rationalize" anything... |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:18 PM |
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More people voted FOR Hillary |
gravity |
Mar-10-08 04:23 PM |
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MI and FL were actual elections |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:34 PM |
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Actually down here Florida was referred to as a "Beauty Contest" |
bagimin |
Mar-10-08 11:49 PM |
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Obama still leads in the popular vote even if you count Florida. |
Window |
Mar-10-08 05:17 PM |
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For OBamafolk who constantly whin about -that state "doesn't count"-you have NO argument! |
rodeodance |
Mar-10-08 07:17 PM |
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Randi R ... Ed Shultz..Steph M... |
indimuse |
Mar-10-08 04:29 PM |
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Keith Olbermann, Thom Hartmann, |
walldude |
Mar-11-08 12:01 AM |
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So even if you count the unfair MI primary where Obama wasn't on the ballot, |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-10-08 04:29 PM |
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Nothing unfair about it |
MagsDem |
Mar-10-08 04:37 PM |
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No, 'what's pathetic' is that you continue to argue |
americanstranger |
Mar-10-08 04:55 PM |
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You are right again MagsDem!! |
CampDem |
Mar-10-08 04:56 PM |
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Because He IS and you are a LIAR |
quakerboy |
Mar-10-08 04:39 PM |
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She won uncontested primaries. By that logic Sadaam is the most popular prez in world history w/ 99% |
theaudacity |
Mar-10-08 04:40 PM |
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Only with Orwellian arithmetic is Obama behind HRC in popular votes |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Mar-10-08 04:45 PM |
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Post your factual numbers to back up your claim, or STFU. |
Window |
Mar-10-08 04:50 PM |
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He is winning the popular vote at present |
dmordue |
Mar-10-08 04:56 PM |
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Don't confuse them with facts... |
OzarkDem |
Mar-10-08 04:58 PM |
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Mags... |
Window |
Mar-10-08 04:59 PM |
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Link? I want to put that in my file. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-10-08 07:47 PM |
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You can spin and twist all you want... It will not change the facts. |
demdog78 |
Mar-10-08 05:03 PM |
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Yawn |
George_Bonanza |
Mar-10-08 05:03 PM |
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What About the Independents |
CindyKay |
Mar-10-08 05:06 PM |
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since when is a closed primary unfair? |
Omega3 |
Mar-10-08 07:25 PM |
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You are quite simply wrong on the facts even including MI and FL AS IS.. HERE ARE THE FACTS. |
Perky |
Mar-10-08 06:55 PM |
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He is no matter how you count it.. why are you claiming he isn't |
Johnny__Motown |
Mar-10-08 06:56 PM |
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Simple. Obama will LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL to get the nomination. |
CyberPieHole |
Mar-10-08 07:04 PM |
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God you are obnoxious. |
against all enemies |
Mar-10-08 07:17 PM |
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bwahahahah.a. And YOU |
cali |
Mar-10-08 07:26 PM |
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What kind of anti Democrat logic is this? |
dcindian |
Mar-10-08 07:06 PM |
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Only a POS would count the MI votes, are you counting them? |
against all enemies |
Mar-10-08 07:16 PM |
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the PA governor tried to do the same thing on MTP |
Mystery2Me |
Mar-10-08 07:26 PM |
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flailing wildly now, we're returning to the "inevitability meme" at this late date? |
Lerkfish |
Mar-10-08 07:20 PM |
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poor, pitiful little magsdem |
cali |
Mar-10-08 07:25 PM |
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baracka obama spin is nothing new. |
flordehinojos |
Mar-10-08 07:35 PM |
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. |
Hav |
Mar-10-08 08:05 PM |
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After tomorrow even the lie of MI won't matter |
SoonerPride |
Mar-10-08 07:50 PM |
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Hillary's behind by all accounts so why does she offer the VP slot to the frontrunner? |
kwenu |
Mar-10-08 07:54 PM |
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Someone needs to push your off button |
NeedleCast |
Mar-10-08 07:55 PM |
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Numbers - the math - supports HRC |
bajamary |
Mar-10-08 08:01 PM |
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Obama's caucus wins net him a few thousand votes. |
PseudoIntellect |
Mar-10-08 08:14 PM |
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No it doesn't |
Upton |
Mar-10-08 08:15 PM |
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Wrong... |
Hav |
Mar-10-08 08:15 PM |
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Look, over there...!!! Get that windmill....!!! n/t |
krkaufman |
Mar-10-08 08:14 PM |
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All things considered.... |
Drachasor |
Mar-10-08 08:28 PM |
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Is this like opposite day or perhaps Bizarro World? |
Turn CO Blue |
Mar-10-08 11:54 PM |
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if you're going to count MI give most of the uncommitted to Bo. |
annie1 |
Mar-10-08 11:55 PM |
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If you are going to include fucking MI at least give the "not Clinton" votes to Obama for fucks sake |
NMMatt |
Mar-10-08 11:55 PM |
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I am in Fl. I voted, knowing the only thing being counted was my |
usnret88 |
Mar-11-08 12:08 AM |
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Smart people understand that Florida and Michigan are... |
AX10 |
Mar-11-08 12:09 AM |
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..Th popular vote is a canard |
Gore1FL |
Mar-11-08 12:54 AM |
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JESUS, not this shit again............. n/t |
DearAbby |
Mar-11-08 12:57 AM |
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Bump. |
avrdream |
Mar-11-08 03:13 AM |
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As of this moment in time NOTHING "counts" that came from FL & MI |
SoCalDem |
Mar-11-08 03:21 AM |
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Because he is |
CreekDog |
Mar-11-08 04:12 AM |
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