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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:15 PM
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9. I've never felt good about how Dean did this whole thing. It stunk from the beginning.
FL Dems couldn't do anything about it to override the Rethugs there who wanted the date changed.

but good old Hward, he didn't care, he wouldn't hardly TRY to help them, find a solution.

No, he just goes and ahead and entirely disenfranchises them.

Clearly he, other party leaders, didn't believe they'd ever have to confront it, that they secure an Obama win, partly with that strategy of discounting FL votes (and Teddy, Johnny, et al trying to give him the party crown far, far, far in advance. How nice).

What first rate imbeciles.
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  -Why was South Carolina allowed to change its primary to an earlier date and wasn't even sanctioned? saracat  Mar-09-08 02:08 PM   #0 
  - You think Hillary lost because of the date? Why did Puerto Rico change to a primary from a caucus?  ProSense   Mar-09-08 02:10 PM   #1 
  - It isn't about who won. It is about "Why" they weren't sanctioned  saracat   Mar-09-08 02:12 PM   #6 
  - I'm not sure about this(you can only remember so much) but back  movonne   Mar-09-08 02:23 PM   #18 
  - Why caucus changed to primary for PR? That's easy: because caucuses are undemocratic....  suston96   Mar-09-08 02:14 PM   #8 
     - The main reason  PATRICK   Mar-09-08 02:24 PM   #19 
  - Didn't it have to do with the size of the state?  efhmc   Mar-09-08 02:11 PM   #2 
  - It was a deal  dsc   Mar-09-08 02:11 PM   #3 
  - yep  crispini   Mar-09-08 02:20 PM   #15 
  - Yes, I find that curious.  lizzy   Mar-09-08 02:12 PM   #4 
  - Any state that wanted to go early asked the DNC for permission  dkf   Mar-09-08 02:12 PM   #5 
  - Why didn't they help FL knowing state Rethugs were changing the date, & Dems couldnt over-ride it?  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:18 PM   #11 
  - DNC tried to talk to FL, but FL wouldn't communicate.  dkf   Mar-09-08 02:23 PM   #17 
  - That is NOT TRUE. SEN NELSON practically begged Dean to help, he wouldn't. Nelson SUED DEAN.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:36 PM   #32 
     - They refused to listen to Dean and the DNC. Why are you spreading lies like this?  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:37 PM   #34 
     - I have read, seen interviews w/ Sen Nelson. Dems couldn't over-ride Rethug votes,  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:42 PM   #41 
        - Please document where Sen. Nelson tried to stop Reps from moving date.  dkf   Mar-09-08 03:07 PM   #53 
     - Oh, Senator Nelson did no such thing!  orangepeel68   Mar-09-08 05:37 PM   #66 
  - I wish you would stop saying it was Deans you read, or look  movonne   Mar-09-08 02:27 PM   #22 
  - He's the CHAIRMAN, and Sen Nelson asked him to help because Rethugs were controlling the date switch  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:34 PM   #28 
     - Dean said they bypassed the DNC and went to the media for attention.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:40 PM   #38 
  - Because Florida didn't compalin until 2007 when it was too late  Hippo_Tron   Mar-09-08 05:32 PM   #60 
  - Well we lobbied for AZ , which was alot more representaive of the west than Nevada and  saracat   Mar-09-08 02:18 PM   #12 
     - HI did also. We have the most diverse population in the nation.  dkf   Mar-09-08 02:24 PM   #20 
  - Because they did it within the rules, as opposed to against the rules.  Exilednight   Mar-09-08 02:13 PM   #7 
  - I've never felt good about how Dean did this whole thing. It stunk from the beginning.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:15 PM   #9 
  - Umm... The FL Democratic party supported changing the date..  mckeown1128   Mar-09-08 02:36 PM   #33 
  - Read this.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:45 PM   #46 
  - Waaaaah! Michigan and Florida didn't say pretty please like Nevada and South Carolina...  suston96   Mar-09-08 02:16 PM   #10 
  - You people who post this repetitive, juvenile reply make this board look ridiculous.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:19 PM   #14 
  - Yes, rules are rules, and the DNC voted on the schedule  rateyes   Mar-09-08 02:19 PM   #13 
  - We have a CHAIRMAN & LEADERS who refused to help FL Dems when Rethugs changed the date  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:21 PM   #16 
     - FL Dems weren't asking for help. They weren't even speaking to the DNC on this.  dkf   Mar-09-08 02:26 PM   #21 
     - That is a LIE. The leading Senator practically begged Dean to help work it out, and then had to SUE  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:29 PM   #23 
     - Gelber Minority Leader in FL House admits they wanted the move.  dkf   Mar-09-08 03:01 PM   #50 
     - Senator Nelson if you wondered. Call his office, go ahead and ask him.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:31 PM   #25 
     - this and stop spreading lies.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:35 PM   #31 
        - I remember reading those journals mad.  avrdream   Mar-09-08 02:50 PM   #49 
           - They wanted to break the rules for Hillary.  dkf   Mar-09-08 03:03 PM   #51 
  - I do not know all the details, but  Inuca   Mar-09-08 02:30 PM   #24 
  - Read my comments above yours. I know the details of FL. It stinks. Dean screwed it up.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:32 PM   #26 
     - That is a lie. Florida leaders did it to the people. Deliberately .  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:34 PM   #29 
     - Fl Dems couldn't over-ride the Republicans. Nelson tried getting Dean to help. Bottom line.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:38 PM   #36 
     - No, Dean said they bypassed the DNC  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:42 PM   #42 
     - WOW!! n/t  Inuca   Mar-09-08 02:45 PM   #47 
     - Are you from/in Florida  donheld   Mar-09-08 02:39 PM   #37 
     - Sen. Nelson has been interviewd on tv recent days. Voting record is fact. Look it up yourself.  LulaMay   Mar-09-08 02:44 PM   #44 
        - Everybody has friends in FL.  donheld   Mar-09-08 03:03 PM   #52 
     - Your argument would be a little more believable if you ever used links  TheDoorbellRang   Mar-09-08 03:16 PM   #55 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-09-08 07:11 PM   #69 
           - Everyone hates me today. I think I will cry.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 07:14 PM   #70 
  - They got permission from the DNC because they were leapfrogged  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:33 PM   #27 
  - saracat, it started a while ago, and, it was put out by the DNC, McAuliffe in '04  Emit   Mar-09-08 02:35 PM   #30 
  - Um, I think the key word is "allowed" nt  thecatburgler   Mar-09-08 02:38 PM   #35 
  - The DNC allowed 'exceptions'  BooScout   Mar-09-08 02:41 PM   #39 
  - Not true. 4 states were in the pre-window....  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:44 PM   #45 
  - The campaigns competing for that state's delegates raised no objection  Old Crusoe   Mar-09-08 02:41 PM   #40 
  - saracat, you know better. You are politically knowledgeable...  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 02:43 PM   #43 
  - I sadly agree :-( n/t  Inuca   Mar-09-08 02:47 PM   #48 
     - Actually, I do know the process. I am not sure I agree with how it played out.  saracat   Mar-09-08 03:11 PM   #54 
     - I agree that Dean may have played  Inuca   Mar-09-08 03:33 PM   #57 
     - Please explain how if he worked within the process of the rules.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 05:29 PM   #58 
        - I do not know  Inuca   Mar-09-08 05:36 PM   #64 
           - The state party leaders for Hillary could have avoided it easily.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 05:48 PM   #68 
     - What "should" have happened?  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 05:32 PM   #61 
     - Florida and Michigan didn't complain when Dean was taking applications for early status  Hippo_Tron   Mar-09-08 05:36 PM   #65 
     - I'm confused  kananikui   Mar-09-08 03:18 PM   #56 
        - Maybe you have not researched. I have. Here you go.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 05:30 PM   #59 
        - In hindsight, it would have been good if the penalty was stripping the superdelegates  orangepeel68   Mar-09-08 05:46 PM   #67 
  - In fact I posted about how they went to the DNC for permission.  madfloridian   Mar-09-08 05:33 PM   #62 
  - States parties were given an opportunity to apply to move their primary earlier  orangepeel68   Mar-09-08 05:34 PM   #63 

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