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Sun Mar-09-08 10:48 AM
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| 28. The Rules Exist For A Reason. SD's Exist For A Reason. If Ya Don't Like It, Change It. |
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Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:49 AM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
But this time around, that's part of the rules and part of our process. All this talk about overturning the will of the people is highly immature and ignorant as it relates to the process. It is over reactionary and over dramatic, and is really quite silly. The process is set up so that they have some say in the nominee. Furthermore, your whole 'will of the people' argument is just oh so silly, since you're acting like the popular vote is like 70%-30% or something, and they're going to install the 30% candidate. That ain't reality bub. The reality is that from a standpoint of the will of the people, the people have made it known that BOTH candidates would be acceptable in the GE. That BOTH have enough support from the Democratic Party to be chosen (Hillary, actually, has even more support than Obama). So spare me this will of the people crap. We are choosing a nominee here. We are weeding out weaker candidates and choosing who we feel is strong enough to run in the GE. From a standpoint of the 'people', it has been quite readily shown through how monumentally close this all is that the people consider BOTH of these candidates to be good enough to run in November. But NONE of these candidates can get enough pledged delegates to outright win the nomination. So what does that mean? It means your will of the people argument is ignorant in concept and false. The will of the people shows that both candidates are acceptable. If one was to be weeded out, the other would've been able to get enough pledges to WIN the nomination. That didn't occur. Know why? Because the contest is so close. Because the will of the people is that BOTH are fine. To have the SD's, based on many electoral factors, put one of them over the edge for strategical reasons, is not only PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, but is even part of the goddamn rules.
So quit your damn cryin and overdramatic crap. There are rules and processes for a reason. There is nothing wrong with the SD's pushing a candidate over the edge here, since neither one could achieve it on their own. Wake up and open your mind to political reality a bit. And if you want to be so utterly selfish and tantrum throwing, that you'd rather see a republican win the presidency and wreak further havoc, merely because you are bitter, then I can't stop you. But shame on you.
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| -I'm a DEMOCRAT but if super delegates override pledged delegates I STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER! |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:27 AM |
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Mar-09-08 10:29 AM |
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Neither freeper or plain ignorant. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:32 AM |
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Having that happen would suck. |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 10:34 AM |
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You're entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to call a |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 10:32 AM |
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Thanks for the back up! |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:33 AM |
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We've had our differences back in the day.. But I never ever |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 10:34 AM |
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Are you sure we have had our differences? |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:37 AM |
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Most of the time.. |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 10:38 AM |
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I gave a choice "B" n/t |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 10:36 AM |
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I am with Kahuna here. |
madaboutharry |
Mar-09-08 10:51 AM |
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I don't respect a Dem who promotes staying home and not voting. |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 11:16 AM |
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I don't respect a party to promotes back room deals and ignoring the will of the people |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 01:28 PM |
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it is not ignoring the will of the people |
paperbag_ princess |
Mar-09-08 02:07 PM |
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I did not advocate staying home, I said that |
madaboutharry |
Mar-09-08 08:52 PM |
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I left out the apology part. But I did consider putting in my post. And |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 01:13 PM |
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Wndy is no freeper |
WesDem |
Mar-09-08 11:00 AM |
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Thanks WesDem |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:09 PM |
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Duplicate post |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 10:32 AM |
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I understand the sentiment. Nobody particularly wants something |
mmonk |
Mar-09-08 10:34 AM |
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Hillary will have won the battle but lost the war. . .African Americans and younger voters will... |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:36 AM |
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Why do you say african americans? |
UALRBSofL |
Mar-09-08 10:59 AM |
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That should be pretty obvious to anyone with a brain; |
Spider Jerusalem |
Mar-09-08 11:14 AM |
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That and there is a strong perception in our community that the Democrats take us for granted. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Right now I don't know what I will do as the makeup of the SCOTUS hangs |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 10:37 AM |
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The USSC is another thing that makes me sick about HRC declaring |
No Surrender |
Mar-09-08 10:51 AM |
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Good point. nt |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 01:16 PM |
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And I understand that sentiment as well. |
mmonk |
Mar-09-08 11:50 AM |
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Count me in your lot..and many more that I know.. |
NDambi |
Mar-09-08 10:35 AM |
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THINK SUPREME COURT NOMINATIONS... |
Sandi_4_Edwards |
Mar-09-08 10:35 AM |
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I will and the super delegates better FUCKING think about them too. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:40 AM |
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yanno, that is the smartest thing I have heard yet, they always use that |
GoldieAZ49 |
Mar-09-08 11:14 AM |
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Obama supporters need to swamp Denver to demonstrate that will of the people must not be denied |
JVS |
Mar-09-08 01:25 PM |
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Well, we do have many honest Democrats to elect at the local level |
IndianaGreen |
Mar-09-08 10:36 AM |
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No - don't you get it? It's about SCOTUS |
Godlesscommieprevert |
Mar-09-08 10:36 AM |
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And that should be taken into consideration BEFORE the super delegates. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:38 AM |
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My candidates DK and then JE were ignored by the media |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 10:43 AM |
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I will vote for the winner of the pledged delegates, |
backscatter712 |
Mar-09-08 10:40 AM |
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If you don't vote, you forfeit your right to bitch. |
hobbit709 |
Mar-09-08 10:40 AM |
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Oh as a person who votes in every election. I FUCKING VOTE by staying home. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:42 AM |
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That is voting for McCain |
sellitman |
Mar-09-08 10:44 AM |
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Then you become part of the problem |
hobbit709 |
Mar-09-08 10:51 AM |
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What good does it do to vote... |
GoldieAZ49 |
Mar-09-08 11:23 AM |
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I think many Americans, mostly Dems will believe that their votes don't |
Kahuna |
Mar-09-08 01:21 PM |
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Maybe charades have grown on some DUers. They can be quite spectacular, after all. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-09-08 03:16 PM |
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A plurality means nothing under the rules. Anything short of the magic |
Benhurst |
Mar-09-08 10:41 AM |
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And what if the popular vote goes to one candidate and the most delegates to another? |
oktoberain |
Mar-09-08 10:43 AM |
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That is the only circumstance in which I'm willing to allow the super delegates |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:46 AM |
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How do you determine the popular vote when some caucus states |
Jersey Devil |
Mar-09-08 01:18 PM |
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The Rules Exist For A Reason. SD's Exist For A Reason. If Ya Don't Like It, Change It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-09-08 10:48 AM |
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Unfortunately, that would mean a McCain presidency |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-09-08 12:40 PM |
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Staying home in November is an ignorant and short sighted decision. |
elocs |
Mar-09-08 10:52 AM |
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So you are saying we should just take it if Hillary STEALS the fucking nomination? |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:54 AM |
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That is the Clinton plan... |
kentuck |
Mar-09-08 10:53 AM |
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I'm happy to send a message to the superdelegates but your OP header indicates you won't be |
elixir |
Mar-09-08 10:53 AM |
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Believe it, I will not be voting at all. If the super delegates know their asses, their offices... |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 10:57 AM |
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If she wins by getting the most superdelegates |
BlackVelvet04 |
Mar-09-08 10:53 AM |
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WAAAA! I don't like the rules unless they help Obama! nt |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 11:00 AM |
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Go right ahead and mock me. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 11:02 AM |
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Ok thanks. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 11:03 AM |
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I will vote for the candidate with the most ELECTED delegates |
powergirl |
Mar-09-08 11:01 AM |
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great, next! |
annie1 |
Mar-09-08 11:03 AM |
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If the party goes against the will of it's members, I will no longer be a Dem. |
against all enemies |
Mar-09-08 11:03 AM |
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Please sign this petition to have Hillary disclose her taxes |
Pisces |
Mar-09-08 11:05 AM |
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Amen brother/sister!! |
Window |
Mar-09-08 11:15 AM |
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Its brother BTW |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:17 PM |
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The time to protest (or quit the party) is AFTER the election... |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 11:17 AM |
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If they do it and win, they have no incentive to do the right thing |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 11:35 AM |
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The country is more important than our anger at the Dem party... |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 11:43 AM |
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Unless one of the candidates gets a majority and reaches 2025 elected delegates through |
Benhurst |
Mar-09-08 11:53 AM |
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As things stand, I'd say that if both candidates are short of 2025... |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 01:43 PM |
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The time to protest is at the convention so that they can avoid making the mistake at all |
JVS |
Mar-09-08 01:27 PM |
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Yes, I agree with protesting at the convention - but not with sitting out the election. |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 01:30 PM |
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I with you.... I leave the President portion of the ballot blank.. |
Thepricebreaker |
Mar-09-08 12:36 PM |
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You must not be in danger of being drafted... |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 01:45 PM |
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Amen! |
Zachstar |
Mar-09-08 01:18 PM |
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This superdelegate thing has to go after this. It is elitist and offensive to me |
EndElectoral |
Mar-09-08 01:22 PM |
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what about if superdels follow their winning states, and she wins popular vote... |
annie1 |
Mar-09-08 01:28 PM |
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What if SDs followed the popular vote (and/or pledged delegates) of their OWN state? |
ctaylors6 |
Mar-09-08 03:09 PM |
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Good! Stay home. The last thing we need is a bunch ... |
gulliver |
Mar-09-08 01:38 PM |
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It's such a selfish attitude - basically saying "Tough shit" to... |
polichick |
Mar-09-08 01:51 PM |
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If you knew anything about me, about my history on both DU and in real world politics. . . |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:16 PM |
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I'm gonna have a hard time voting for Clinton given IWR and Kyl-Leiberman |
lojasmo |
Mar-09-08 01:56 PM |
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They can't "override" anything. They are an integral part of the process, like you and I. |
ruggerson |
Mar-09-08 01:59 PM |
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hold your horses |
damitajo1 |
Mar-09-08 02:01 PM |
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Great post, my sentiments exactly |
Upton |
Mar-09-08 02:06 PM |
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so...you want to change the rules in the middle of the campaign season? |
Evergreen Emerald |
Mar-09-08 02:06 PM |
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No leave the rules as is, but if those rules are used to go against the winner of pledged delegates |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:07 PM |
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This is not an "if I don't get my way I'm not voting" post |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-09-08 02:15 PM |
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No if Hillary wins it FAIR AND SQUARE I will march to the polls with my chest stuck out |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 03:13 PM |
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I must of communicated poorly. |
ZombieHorde |
Mar-09-08 03:45 PM |
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Don't you like charades? They can be quite a spectacle. I think they've |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Mar-09-08 03:18 PM |
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Staying Home |
metalluk |
Mar-09-08 03:27 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
wndycty |
Mar-09-08 09:13 PM |
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