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Response to Reply #122 |
| 125. Do YOU think it right that all of Wyoming should have only one |
| -2,100,000 people voted in the Ohio Dem Primary - 8000 voted in Wyoming Dem Caucus |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 09:51 PM |
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Waaa! Waaa! |
ossman |
Mar-08-08 09:52 PM |
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Is that supposed to have some kind of relevance? |
Bluebear |
Mar-08-08 10:26 PM |
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Exactly. And proportionally every 25,000 voters in TX get 1 delegate. |
zlt234 |
Mar-08-08 09:53 PM |
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the system is totally fucked up |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 09:54 PM |
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Wow -- that's really screwed up |
theHandpuppet |
Mar-08-08 09:55 PM |
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Damn. Obama should be getting 50 times as many delegates out of Texas as he's getting now! |
JVS |
Mar-08-08 10:20 PM |
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Wow. Big numbers. Juicy turnout for the blue team. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-08-08 09:53 PM |
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who gives a shit |
FARAFIELD |
Mar-08-08 09:54 PM |
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I agree. The system was designed to attempt to give each state equal representation. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-08-08 09:57 PM |
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How is giving some small states 25 times more proportional representation |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:11 PM |
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I do agree with you, ruggerson |
TheDoorbellRang |
Mar-08-08 10:51 PM |
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Disparity between small states and large states is encoded into the very Constitution itself. |
Selatius |
Mar-09-08 01:51 AM |
#132 |
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exactly |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-09-08 11:34 AM |
#167 |
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We are a nation of states. |
tekisui |
Mar-09-08 07:51 AM |
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Inherently undemocratic |
JoFerret |
Mar-09-08 07:52 AM |
#144 |
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The country isn't a democracy, it's a republic |
Slagathor |
Mar-09-08 09:35 AM |
#160 |
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keep insulting democrats in red/purple states. Their super delegates will NEVER support Hillary |
cryingshame |
Mar-08-08 09:54 PM |
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so you think small state voters deserve MORE proportional representation than big state voters? |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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Ever hear of the US Senate? |
dbonds |
Mar-08-08 10:06 PM |
#46 |
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ever hear of the US house? |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:12 PM |
#55 |
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That my point, you were supposed to connect the dots. |
dbonds |
Mar-08-08 10:17 PM |
#63 |
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yeah, they read DU all the time |
Omega3 |
Mar-08-08 09:57 PM |
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We sure as hell do. |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-08-08 10:08 PM |
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No one said you should have no impact |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:13 PM |
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I think Howard Dean is a fucking genius for bringing the 50 state strategy back to the Dem party. |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-08-08 10:38 PM |
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Kudos |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:55 PM |
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Was there a caucus or a primary that Hillary lost today, ruggerson? |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-08-08 11:03 PM |
#92 |
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Read the disclaimer in the OP |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:20 PM |
#103 |
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Where were you in 2005 when the system was last revamped? |
Major Hogwash |
Mar-09-08 01:29 AM |
#128 |
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I personally campaigned for election reform in 2000. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:49 AM |
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I understand |
ruggerson |
Mar-09-08 09:47 AM |
#163 |
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You're suggesting that Ohio should have 3300 delegates? |
NCevilDUer |
Mar-09-08 12:02 AM |
#120 |
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I'm suggesting the entire process be revamped for next time |
ruggerson |
Mar-09-08 12:09 AM |
#122 |
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Do YOU think it right that all of Wyoming should have only one |
NCevilDUer |
Mar-09-08 01:08 AM |
#125 |
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nobody wants to answer ruggerson's question |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-09-08 11:37 AM |
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I'm glad you noticed that |
ruggerson |
Mar-09-08 11:54 AM |
#171 |
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Don't make stupid assumptions |
Andromeda |
Mar-09-08 04:45 AM |
#135 |
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We need to work on this. Thanks for posting it! |
wlucinda |
Mar-08-08 09:55 PM |
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What would you suggest they do different in 2012? |
hnmnf |
Mar-08-08 09:55 PM |
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bus in more people? Maybe from Ohio? |
TheDonkey |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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What I've been suggesting since 2000. Direct runoff democracy. Winner take all. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 09:59 PM |
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exactly! |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
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Look in the earliest DU posts that have survived from back then, this was all that was discussed. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:03 PM |
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Proportional representation is more truly democratic, though. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Mar-08-08 10:07 PM |
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Runoff voting solves that issue. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:09 PM |
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Think of the headaches this could save people! |
spoony |
Mar-09-08 09:12 AM |
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If all candidates have the same amount of money, I'm all for it |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-08-08 10:41 PM |
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You don't need the same amount of money with runoff, but I am for publicly only funded... |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:38 AM |
#136 |
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Make it truly proportional |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
#33 |
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Booohoooo. |
Kittycat |
Mar-08-08 09:55 PM |
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My, but you've become a nasty poster. When did this happen? |
Bluebear |
Mar-08-08 10:27 PM |
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I'm drinking :) |
Kittycat |
Mar-08-08 10:47 PM |
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LOLOL |
Bluebear |
Mar-08-08 11:55 PM |
#118 |
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Play by the rules. |
rwheeler31 |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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Which rules? The ones saying that the superdelegates decide on a variety of criteria? |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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I agree. Where have I said anything to the contrary? |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 09:57 PM |
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People say this "supports the grassroots." I say runoff voting would do that much better. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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I see your point. Wyoming is clearly Satan. |
TheDonkey |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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Please stop with the snarky drivel. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 09:57 PM |
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But "the antelope" lobby is very strong in WY |
Botany |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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WY voters came out 90% in 2004 for their state primary, they only came out 10% this time. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 09:57 PM |
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I noticed that they only came out 10% this time - |
DURHAM D |
Mar-09-08 01:19 AM |
#126 |
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It tells us caucuses aren't representative, that's all. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:38 AM |
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In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses. |
MaineDem |
Mar-09-08 08:16 AM |
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er... states aren't represented in congress based purely on their voter turnouts either |
enki23 |
Mar-08-08 09:56 PM |
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Silly argument |
Gore1FL |
Mar-08-08 09:58 PM |
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No it doesn't. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
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You signline numbers are invalid |
Gore1FL |
Mar-08-08 10:02 PM |
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The numbers are probably worse than that. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:04 PM |
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You don't see or refuse to see? |
Gore1FL |
Mar-08-08 10:23 PM |
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No, I don't see a difference. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:40 AM |
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Caucuses are hard to attend |
Gore1FL |
Mar-09-08 07:53 AM |
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your sig sucks. Hillary lost by the rules as they stand. |
JackORoses |
Mar-09-08 12:07 AM |
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Hmmm. Who was head of the DNC when the rules were created? |
Mystery2Me |
Mar-08-08 09:58 PM |
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I think these proportional rules predated him |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 09:59 PM |
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Last census has Wyoming population at 515,004 |
dbonds |
Mar-08-08 09:59 PM |
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Yeah, it's about 12-13%, but what's telling is they had 90% turnout in 2004... |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:01 PM |
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Yes, and each state gets 2 Senators...... |
FrenchieCat |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
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What does that have to do with my post? |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:04 PM |
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Gee you accidently, I am sure, left out |
dsc |
Mar-09-08 09:02 AM |
#153 |
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Unfortunately this is how all seats are allocated |
fujiyama |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
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it surprised me that the House of Representatives is that bad |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-09-08 11:42 AM |
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Ohio Democrats are cheap and common. Wyoming Democrats |
wienerdoggie |
Mar-08-08 10:00 PM |
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Obama is leading in popular vote nationwide, so I don't think it makes a difference. |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-08-08 10:01 PM |
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Wait until the primaries hit again. His wins in NJ, MO, and GA helped him a lot. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:01 PM |
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Obama is leading in the total popular votes for the big states |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 10:05 PM |
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Ahh, I forgot Illinois. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:07 PM |
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A caucus is not a primary. States choose the method by which they select convention delegates. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Mar-08-08 10:03 PM |
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Yes you would, and Obama would probably be getting attacked the most here, but people like me... |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:06 PM |
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Perhaps if you posted some of your threads from 2004 it would lend credibility to your |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-08-08 10:50 PM |
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I did post about how Dean got owned in '04 because of the fucking caucusing system. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:51 AM |
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I didn't think you could put up. |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-09-08 03:11 PM |
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Do the math it works the same with Rhode Island and Vermont |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:08 PM |
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Except that the delegate totals are based on Congressional districts and overall state population. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Mar-08-08 10:13 PM |
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I'm arguing the current system is fucked up |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:14 PM |
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That actually lends more credence to the argument. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:14 PM |
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I can hear hillary now. 666 means that Obama's voters were EVIL! the face |
antifaschits |
Mar-08-08 10:04 PM |
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Wyoming has 500K people in the whole state...& more of 'em are R's |
SoCalDem |
Mar-08-08 10:05 PM |
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10% went. 90% went to the polls in 2004. |
joshcryer |
Mar-08-08 10:06 PM |
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Democracy is about eliminating barriers to participating |
Cant trust em |
Mar-08-08 10:20 PM |
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Hard to do when your caucus is at a certain time though, and you have other obligations. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:47 AM |
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That's why I like the idea of saturday caucuses |
Cant trust em |
Mar-09-08 11:25 AM |
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That's called a primary. Very similar to how some firehouse primaries are. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 01:26 PM |
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If you're not politically aware, you will be by the time you leave |
Cant trust em |
Mar-09-08 02:26 PM |
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It's not up to ME.. it's up to Wyoming |
SoCalDem |
Mar-08-08 10:22 PM |
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Caucuses are akin to superdelegates as far as I'm concerned. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 07:46 AM |
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Delegates are chosen from party loyalists.. People who work their asses off for the party |
SoCalDem |
Mar-09-08 07:58 AM |
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WY proves that not everyone can participate in a caucus. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 08:07 AM |
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It all comes down to choice.. some people didn't care enough to show up |
SoCalDem |
Mar-09-08 08:10 AM |
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No, it was physically impossible. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 09:28 AM |
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I just think everyone's vote counts equally. |
AZBlue |
Mar-08-08 10:16 PM |
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Not the way the current system is set up they don't |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:17 PM |
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Not in the GE either. |
AZBlue |
Mar-08-08 10:25 PM |
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It's the same for the electoral system. Ohioans still get A LOT more attention |
Levgreee |
Mar-08-08 10:16 PM |
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Yeah? Obama has 600,000 more votes than Hillary. How convenient you overlooked that. |
David Zephyr |
Mar-08-08 10:26 PM |
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This isn't about Obama vs Clinton |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:37 PM |
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Again, the one man one vote example is clear: Obama has 600,000 more votes. |
David Zephyr |
Mar-08-08 11:02 PM |
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Are you just pretending to be obtuse? |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:07 PM |
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You are comparing apples and oranges. A caucus is a bigger time commitment, so less people will vote |
milkyway |
Mar-08-08 10:35 PM |
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The math is equally ridiculous with small primary states |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:41 PM |
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too bad people can't read your disclaimer |
frogcycle |
Mar-08-08 10:35 PM |
#73 |
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Most people see |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:39 PM |
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Technically, the electoral college process works the same way too. |
Jamastiene |
Mar-08-08 10:37 PM |
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I'm pretty sure 8000 is the number of convention delegates, more than 8000 people caucused |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-08-08 10:40 PM |
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no, you're incorrect |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 10:43 PM |
#81 |
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No you are incorrect! |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:04 PM |
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No you have it wrong |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:11 PM |
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No, they caucused as part of the overall process, they will select 319. |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:17 PM |
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That's not any different from what I said |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:24 PM |
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You can't compare a caucus to a primary! That's like comparing Nevada to NY. |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:32 PM |
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the math works comparing RI to OH as well |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:34 PM |
#109 |
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"I'm glad you backed off your mistake." Huh? Your desperation is |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:39 PM |
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I realize that being wrong |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:47 PM |
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Sigh. |
Maddy McCall |
Mar-08-08 11:34 PM |
#108 |
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notice how he switched the subject when he realized he was wrong |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:36 PM |
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What are you talking about? You are wrong, face it. The 8000 were caucus goers not |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:38 PM |
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they are 8000 people who voted in Wyoming. Period. |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:42 PM |
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"translate ultimately into 12 delegates to the national convention." Yes, Hillary on the short end. |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:43 PM |
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"You can't talk sensibly with senseless people" Obviously you're |
ProSense |
Mar-08-08 11:42 PM |
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Gheez - you are so damn wrong and so don't fucking get it. eom |
DURHAM D |
Mar-09-08 01:28 AM |
#127 |
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No, you're in denial and "so don't fucking get it." Moronic! n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-09-08 11:05 AM |
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The populations is way lower in that state though just under 500,000 compared to 11 million in Ohio. |
cooolandrew |
Mar-08-08 10:46 PM |
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... |
cooolandrew |
Mar-08-08 10:46 PM |
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A win is a win though. That's fine with me, however you dissect it. |
cooolandrew |
Mar-08-08 10:50 PM |
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Poor hillary little hillary....ahhhh |
bowens43 |
Mar-08-08 10:57 PM |
#88 |
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bite me |
frogcycle |
Mar-08-08 11:00 PM |
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I swear the posts on here are getting more ignorant by the minute. |
IsItJustMe |
Mar-08-08 10:59 PM |
#89 |
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You are wrong. |
DURHAM D |
Mar-09-08 01:32 AM |
#129 |
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in order to form a more perfect union.... |
mythyc |
Mar-08-08 11:08 PM |
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Well, NY awards 232 delegates, and half a million fewer people voted there than OH |
frazzled |
Mar-08-08 11:11 PM |
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I agree - the system is totally screwed up |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:14 PM |
#99 |
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funny, i've never seen a post from you griping about representiational disparity in the senate |
mythyc |
Mar-08-08 11:20 PM |
#102 |
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apples and oranges |
ruggerson |
Mar-08-08 11:30 PM |
#106 |
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you're right on the apples and oranges, though check this out: |
mythyc |
Mar-09-08 12:43 AM |
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Amazing. Wow have you been patient. |
DURHAM D |
Mar-09-08 01:38 AM |
#131 |
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Why do you hate democracy? |
Jim Sagle |
Mar-08-08 11:12 PM |
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small states |
mbergen |
Mar-08-08 11:18 PM |
#101 |
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this is just the system we have |
johnnydrama |
Mar-08-08 11:29 PM |
#105 |
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Hillary? is that you? |
meow mix |
Mar-08-08 11:36 PM |
#110 |
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666! |
NCevilDUer |
Mar-08-08 11:55 PM |
#119 |
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An eminently reasonable question. |
krkaufman |
Mar-09-08 12:26 AM |
#123 |
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For fuck's sake already |
NMMatt |
Mar-09-08 01:35 AM |
#130 |
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Well if we're sticking to that precedent |
spoony |
Mar-09-08 09:20 AM |
#156 |
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Good point that I hadn't considered. |
avrdream |
Mar-09-08 03:39 AM |
#133 |
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Inequity is only bad when it harms Obama. Didn't you realize that? |
aquarius dawning |
Mar-09-08 04:27 AM |
#134 |
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Lke every state getting two senators |
JoFerret |
Mar-09-08 07:50 AM |
#142 |
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A lot like the electoral college. |
Sparkly |
Mar-09-08 08:03 AM |
#147 |
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FYI - In Ohio |
Vinca |
Mar-09-08 08:03 AM |
#148 |
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Except there was crossover R vote tampering, espeially in SW OH because Huck was already a goner |
rosebud57 |
Mar-09-08 09:40 AM |
#162 |
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Are you sure that's the total vote and not just state delegates? |
MaineDem |
Mar-09-08 08:13 AM |
#151 |
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Another state that voted Obama doesn't matter, gotcha... |
stevenleser |
Mar-09-08 09:05 AM |
#154 |
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Oh, it matters, but not as much to superdelegates as Obama supporters claim. |
joshcryer |
Mar-09-08 09:29 AM |
#158 |
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So you advocate getting rid of senate representation for RI and DE? |
Slagathor |
Mar-09-08 09:34 AM |
#159 |
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And the heavy GOP SW OH exurban counties voted Hill in an open primary |
rosebud57 |
Mar-09-08 09:37 AM |
#161 |
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interesting point |
Bill McBlueState |
Mar-09-08 11:32 AM |
#166 |
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They capped the number of representatives to 435 in 1911. We had to split them for all ever since |
Selatius |
Mar-09-08 01:16 PM |
#173 |
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REPUBLICAN CROSS-OVER VOTING IN OHIO (OH GOP ROOTS FOR HILLARY!) |
mod mom |
Mar-09-08 11:48 AM |
#170 |
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Thank you..... |
Me_Shell |
Mar-09-08 01:40 PM |
#175 |
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Right math, wrong question |
RichardRay |
Mar-09-08 12:27 PM |
#172 |
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