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The populations is way lower in that state though just under 500,000 compared to 11 million in Ohio.
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  -2,100,000 people voted in the Ohio Dem Primary - 8000 voted in Wyoming Dem Caucus ruggerson  Mar-08-08 09:51 PM   #0 
  - Waaa! Waaa!  ossman   Mar-08-08 09:52 PM   #1 
  - Is that supposed to have some kind of relevance?  Bluebear   Mar-08-08 10:26 PM   #70 
  - Exactly. And proportionally every 25,000 voters in TX get 1 delegate.  zlt234   Mar-08-08 09:53 PM   #2 
  - the system is totally fucked up  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 09:54 PM   #4 
  - Wow -- that's really screwed up  theHandpuppet   Mar-08-08 09:55 PM   #8 
  - Damn. Obama should be getting 50 times as many delegates out of Texas as he's getting now!  JVS   Mar-08-08 10:20 PM   #64 
  - Wow. Big numbers. Juicy turnout for the blue team.  Old Crusoe   Mar-08-08 09:53 PM   #3 
  - who gives a shit  FARAFIELD   Mar-08-08 09:54 PM   #5 
  - I agree. The system was designed to attempt to give each state equal representation.  anonymous171   Mar-08-08 09:57 PM   #19 
     - How is giving some small states 25 times more proportional representation  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:11 PM   #54 
     - I do agree with you, ruggerson  TheDoorbellRang   Mar-08-08 10:51 PM   #86 
     - Disparity between small states and large states is encoded into the very Constitution itself.  Selatius   Mar-09-08 01:51 AM   #132 
     - exactly  Bill McBlueState   Mar-09-08 11:34 AM   #167 
     - We are a nation of states.  tekisui   Mar-09-08 07:51 AM   # 
     - Inherently undemocratic  JoFerret   Mar-09-08 07:52 AM   #144 
        - The country isn't a democracy, it's a republic  Slagathor   Mar-09-08 09:35 AM   #160 
  - keep insulting democrats in red/purple states. Their super delegates will NEVER support Hillary  cryingshame   Mar-08-08 09:54 PM   #6 
  - so you think small state voters deserve MORE proportional representation than big state voters?  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #15 
  - Ever hear of the US Senate?  dbonds   Mar-08-08 10:06 PM   #46 
     - ever hear of the US house?  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:12 PM   #55 
        - That my point, you were supposed to connect the dots.  dbonds   Mar-08-08 10:17 PM   #63 
  - yeah, they read DU all the time  Omega3   Mar-08-08 09:57 PM   #21 
  - We sure as hell do.  Major Hogwash   Mar-08-08 10:08 PM   #52 
     - No one said you should have no impact  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:13 PM   #56 
        - I think Howard Dean is a fucking genius for bringing the 50 state strategy back to the Dem party.  Major Hogwash   Mar-08-08 10:38 PM   #76 
           - Kudos  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:55 PM   #87 
              - Was there a caucus or a primary that Hillary lost today, ruggerson?  Major Hogwash   Mar-08-08 11:03 PM   #92 
              - Read the disclaimer in the OP  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:20 PM   #103 
                 - Where were you in 2005 when the system was last revamped?  Major Hogwash   Mar-09-08 01:29 AM   #128 
                    - I personally campaigned for election reform in 2000.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:49 AM   #141 
                    - I understand  ruggerson   Mar-09-08 09:47 AM   #163 
              - You're suggesting that Ohio should have 3300 delegates?  NCevilDUer   Mar-09-08 12:02 AM   #120 
                 - I'm suggesting the entire process be revamped for next time  ruggerson   Mar-09-08 12:09 AM   #122 
                    - Do YOU think it right that all of Wyoming should have only one  NCevilDUer   Mar-09-08 01:08 AM   #125 
                       - nobody wants to answer ruggerson's question  Bill McBlueState   Mar-09-08 11:37 AM   #168 
                          - I'm glad you noticed that  ruggerson   Mar-09-08 11:54 AM   #171 
  - Don't make stupid assumptions  Andromeda   Mar-09-08 04:45 AM   #135 
  - We need to work on this. Thanks for posting it!  wlucinda   Mar-08-08 09:55 PM   #7 
  - What would you suggest they do different in 2012?  hnmnf   Mar-08-08 09:55 PM   #9 
  - bus in more people? Maybe from Ohio?  TheDonkey   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #18 
  - What I've been suggesting since 2000. Direct runoff democracy. Winner take all.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 09:59 PM   #26 
  - exactly!  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #31 
  - Look in the earliest DU posts that have survived from back then, this was all that was discussed.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:03 PM   #40 
  - Proportional representation is more truly democratic, though.  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-08-08 10:07 PM   #49 
  - Runoff voting solves that issue.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:09 PM   #53 
     - Think of the headaches this could save people!  spoony   Mar-09-08 09:12 AM   #155 
  - If all candidates have the same amount of money, I'm all for it  Hippo_Tron   Mar-08-08 10:41 PM   #79 
     - You don't need the same amount of money with runoff, but I am for publicly only funded...  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:38 AM   #136 
  - Make it truly proportional  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #33 
  - Booohoooo.  Kittycat   Mar-08-08 09:55 PM   #10 
  - My, but you've become a nasty poster. When did this happen?  Bluebear   Mar-08-08 10:27 PM   #71 
     - I'm drinking :)  Kittycat   Mar-08-08 10:47 PM   #83 
        - LOLOL  Bluebear   Mar-08-08 11:55 PM   #118 
  - Play by the rules.  rwheeler31   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #11 
  - Which rules? The ones saying that the superdelegates decide on a variety of criteria?  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #17 
  - I agree. Where have I said anything to the contrary?  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 09:57 PM   #22 
  - People say this "supports the grassroots." I say runoff voting would do that much better.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #12 
  - I see your point. Wyoming is clearly Satan.  TheDonkey   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #13 
  - Please stop with the snarky drivel.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 09:57 PM   #20 
  - But "the antelope" lobby is very strong in WY  Botany   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #14 
  - WY voters came out 90% in 2004 for their state primary, they only came out 10% this time.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 09:57 PM   #23 
     - I noticed that they only came out 10% this time -  DURHAM D   Mar-09-08 01:19 AM   #126 
     - It tells us caucuses aren't representative, that's all.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:38 AM   #137 
     - In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses.  MaineDem   Mar-09-08 08:16 AM   #152 
  - er... states aren't represented in congress based purely on their voter turnouts either  enki23   Mar-08-08 09:56 PM   #16 
  - Silly argument  Gore1FL   Mar-08-08 09:58 PM   #24 
  - No it doesn't.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #29 
     - You signline numbers are invalid  Gore1FL   Mar-08-08 10:02 PM   #38 
     - The numbers are probably worse than that.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:04 PM   #43 
        - You don't see or refuse to see?  Gore1FL   Mar-08-08 10:23 PM   #67 
           - No, I don't see a difference.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:40 AM   #138 
              - Caucuses are hard to attend  Gore1FL   Mar-09-08 07:53 AM   #145 
     - your sig sucks. Hillary lost by the rules as they stand.  JackORoses   Mar-09-08 12:07 AM   #121 
  - Hmmm. Who was head of the DNC when the rules were created?  Mystery2Me   Mar-08-08 09:58 PM   #25 
  - I think these proportional rules predated him  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 09:59 PM   #27 
  - Last census has Wyoming population at 515,004  dbonds   Mar-08-08 09:59 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, it's about 12-13%, but what's telling is they had 90% turnout in 2004...  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:01 PM   #36 
  - Yes, and each state gets 2 Senators......  FrenchieCat   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #30 
  - What does that have to do with my post?  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:04 PM   #41 
  - Gee you accidently, I am sure, left out  dsc   Mar-09-08 09:02 AM   #153 
  - Unfortunately this is how all seats are allocated  fujiyama   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #32 
  - it surprised me that the House of Representatives is that bad  Bill McBlueState   Mar-09-08 11:42 AM   #169 
  - Ohio Democrats are cheap and common. Wyoming Democrats  wienerdoggie   Mar-08-08 10:00 PM   #34 
  - Obama is leading in popular vote nationwide, so I don't think it makes a difference.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-08-08 10:01 PM   #35 
  - Wait until the primaries hit again. His wins in NJ, MO, and GA helped him a lot.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:01 PM   #37 
  - Obama is leading in the total popular votes for the big states  ProSense   Mar-08-08 10:05 PM   #45 
     - Ahh, I forgot Illinois.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:07 PM   #50 
  - A caucus is not a primary. States choose the method by which they select convention delegates.  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-08-08 10:03 PM   #39 
  - Yes you would, and Obama would probably be getting attacked the most here, but people like me...  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:06 PM   #47 
  - Perhaps if you posted some of your threads from 2004 it would lend credibility to your  John Q. Citizen   Mar-08-08 10:50 PM   #84 
     - I did post about how Dean got owned in '04 because of the fucking caucusing system.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:51 AM   #143 
        - I didn't think you could put up.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-09-08 03:11 PM   #177 
  - Do the math it works the same with Rhode Island and Vermont  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:08 PM   #51 
     - Except that the delegate totals are based on Congressional districts and overall state population.  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-08-08 10:13 PM   #57 
        - I'm arguing the current system is fucked up  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:14 PM   #58 
        - That actually lends more credence to the argument.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:14 PM   #59 
  - I can hear hillary now. 666 means that Obama's voters were EVIL! the face  antifaschits   Mar-08-08 10:04 PM   #42 
  - Wyoming has 500K people in the whole state...& more of 'em are R's  SoCalDem   Mar-08-08 10:05 PM   #44 
  - 10% went. 90% went to the polls in 2004.  joshcryer   Mar-08-08 10:06 PM   #48 
     - Democracy is about eliminating barriers to participating  Cant trust em   Mar-08-08 10:20 PM   #65 
     - Hard to do when your caucus is at a certain time though, and you have other obligations.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:47 AM   #140 
        - That's why I like the idea of saturday caucuses  Cant trust em   Mar-09-08 11:25 AM   #165 
           - That's called a primary. Very similar to how some firehouse primaries are.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 01:26 PM   #174 
              - If you're not politically aware, you will be by the time you leave  Cant trust em   Mar-09-08 02:26 PM   #176 
     - It's not up to ME.. it's up to Wyoming  SoCalDem   Mar-08-08 10:22 PM   #66 
        - Caucuses are akin to superdelegates as far as I'm concerned.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 07:46 AM   #139 
           - Delegates are chosen from party loyalists.. People who work their asses off for the party  SoCalDem   Mar-09-08 07:58 AM   #146 
              - WY proves that not everyone can participate in a caucus.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 08:07 AM   #149 
                 - It all comes down to choice.. some people didn't care enough to show up  SoCalDem   Mar-09-08 08:10 AM   #150 
                    - No, it was physically impossible.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 09:28 AM   #157 
  - I just think everyone's vote counts equally.  AZBlue   Mar-08-08 10:16 PM   #60 
  - Not the way the current system is set up they don't  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:17 PM   #62 
     - Not in the GE either.  AZBlue   Mar-08-08 10:25 PM   #68 
  - It's the same for the electoral system. Ohioans still get A LOT more attention  Levgreee   Mar-08-08 10:16 PM   #61 
  - Yeah? Obama has 600,000 more votes than Hillary. How convenient you overlooked that.  David Zephyr   Mar-08-08 10:26 PM   #69 
  - This isn't about Obama vs Clinton  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:37 PM   #75 
     - Again, the one man one vote example is clear: Obama has 600,000 more votes.  David Zephyr   Mar-08-08 11:02 PM   #91 
        - Are you just pretending to be obtuse?  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:07 PM   #94 
  - You are comparing apples and oranges. A caucus is a bigger time commitment, so less people will vote  milkyway   Mar-08-08 10:35 PM   #72 
  - The math is equally ridiculous with small primary states  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:41 PM   #80 
  - too bad people can't read your disclaimer  frogcycle   Mar-08-08 10:35 PM   #73 
  - Most people see  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:39 PM   #77 
  - Technically, the electoral college process works the same way too.  Jamastiene   Mar-08-08 10:37 PM   #74 
  - I'm pretty sure 8000 is the number of convention delegates, more than 8000 people caucused  Hippo_Tron   Mar-08-08 10:40 PM   #78 
  - no, you're incorrect  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 10:43 PM   #81 
     - No you are incorrect!  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:04 PM   #93 
        - No you have it wrong  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:11 PM   #97 
           - No, they caucused as part of the overall process, they will select 319.  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:17 PM   #100 
              - That's not any different from what I said  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:24 PM   #104 
                 - You can't compare a caucus to a primary! That's like comparing Nevada to NY.  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:32 PM   #107 
                 - the math works comparing RI to OH as well  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:34 PM   #109 
                    - "I'm glad you backed off your mistake." Huh? Your desperation is  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:39 PM   #113 
                       - I realize that being wrong  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:47 PM   #117 
                 - Sigh.  Maddy McCall   Mar-08-08 11:34 PM   #108 
                    - notice how he switched the subject when he realized he was wrong  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:36 PM   #111 
                    - What are you talking about? You are wrong, face it. The 8000 were caucus goers not  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:38 PM   #112 
                       - they are 8000 people who voted in Wyoming. Period.  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:42 PM   #114 
                          - "translate ultimately into 12 delegates to the national convention." Yes, Hillary on the short end.  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:43 PM   #116 
                    - "You can't talk sensibly with senseless people" Obviously you're  ProSense   Mar-08-08 11:42 PM   #115 
                       - Gheez - you are so damn wrong and so don't fucking get it. eom  DURHAM D   Mar-09-08 01:28 AM   #127 
                          - No, you're in denial and "so don't fucking get it." Moronic! n/t  ProSense   Mar-09-08 11:05 AM   #164 
  - The populations is way lower in that state though just under 500,000 compared to 11 million in Ohio.  cooolandrew   Mar-08-08 10:46 PM   # 
  - ...  cooolandrew   Mar-08-08 10:46 PM   #82 
  - A win is a win though. That's fine with me, however you dissect it.  cooolandrew   Mar-08-08 10:50 PM   #85 
  - Poor hillary little hillary....ahhhh  bowens43   Mar-08-08 10:57 PM   #88 
  - bite me  frogcycle   Mar-08-08 11:00 PM   #90 
  - I swear the posts on here are getting more ignorant by the minute.  IsItJustMe   Mar-08-08 10:59 PM   #89 
  - You are wrong.  DURHAM D   Mar-09-08 01:32 AM   #129 
  - in order to form a more perfect union....  mythyc   Mar-08-08 11:08 PM   #95 
  - Well, NY awards 232 delegates, and half a million fewer people voted there than OH  frazzled   Mar-08-08 11:11 PM   #96 
  - I agree - the system is totally screwed up  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:14 PM   #99 
     - funny, i've never seen a post from you griping about representiational disparity in the senate  mythyc   Mar-08-08 11:20 PM   #102 
        - apples and oranges  ruggerson   Mar-08-08 11:30 PM   #106 
           - you're right on the apples and oranges, though check this out:  mythyc   Mar-09-08 12:43 AM   #124 
           - Amazing. Wow have you been patient.  DURHAM D   Mar-09-08 01:38 AM   #131 
  - Why do you hate democracy?  Jim Sagle   Mar-08-08 11:12 PM   #98 
  - small states  mbergen   Mar-08-08 11:18 PM   #101 
  - this is just the system we have  johnnydrama   Mar-08-08 11:29 PM   #105 
  - Hillary? is that you?  meow mix   Mar-08-08 11:36 PM   #110 
  - 666!  NCevilDUer   Mar-08-08 11:55 PM   #119 
  - An eminently reasonable question.  krkaufman   Mar-09-08 12:26 AM   #123 
  - For fuck's sake already  NMMatt   Mar-09-08 01:35 AM   #130 
  - Well if we're sticking to that precedent  spoony   Mar-09-08 09:20 AM   #156 
  - Good point that I hadn't considered.  avrdream   Mar-09-08 03:39 AM   #133 
  - Inequity is only bad when it harms Obama. Didn't you realize that?  aquarius dawning   Mar-09-08 04:27 AM   #134 
  - Lke every state getting two senators  JoFerret   Mar-09-08 07:50 AM   #142 
  - A lot like the electoral college.  Sparkly   Mar-09-08 08:03 AM   #147 
  - FYI - In Ohio  Vinca   Mar-09-08 08:03 AM   #148 
  - Except there was crossover R vote tampering, espeially in SW OH because Huck was already a goner  rosebud57   Mar-09-08 09:40 AM   #162 
  - Are you sure that's the total vote and not just state delegates?  MaineDem   Mar-09-08 08:13 AM   #151 
  - Another state that voted Obama doesn't matter, gotcha...  stevenleser   Mar-09-08 09:05 AM   #154 
  - Oh, it matters, but not as much to superdelegates as Obama supporters claim.  joshcryer   Mar-09-08 09:29 AM   #158 
  - So you advocate getting rid of senate representation for RI and DE?  Slagathor   Mar-09-08 09:34 AM   #159 
  - And the heavy GOP SW OH exurban counties voted Hill in an open primary  rosebud57   Mar-09-08 09:37 AM   #161 
  - interesting point  Bill McBlueState   Mar-09-08 11:32 AM   #166 
  - They capped the number of representatives to 435 in 1911. We had to split them for all ever since  Selatius   Mar-09-08 01:16 PM   #173 
  - REPUBLICAN CROSS-OVER VOTING IN OHIO (OH GOP ROOTS FOR HILLARY!)  mod mom   Mar-09-08 11:48 AM   #170 
  - Thank you.....  Me_Shell   Mar-09-08 01:40 PM   #175 
  - Right math, wrong question  RichardRay   Mar-09-08 12:27 PM   #172 
 

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