youknowmenotdlc
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Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM
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I found this site some time ago and used it as an invaluable resource for keeping up with progressive news and discussion.
This particular forum is especially interesting as it seems to tie the tails of the Hillary and Obama supporters together and then throws them over a metaphorical clothesline leading to the inevitable fracas.
As a regular schmoe, run of the mill progressive, I'm torn over this election. Hillary has been a fave of mine for some time and whenever she is attacked I feel an urge to rise to her defense, just like back in the 90s.
But.
THe tone that she has taken in this campaign has made me wonder if she hasn't picked up some really bad habits from those who mercillessly perscuted the Clintons during their time in the oval office. Being a fighter is a good quality, but doing so at the expense of a fellow Democrat, especially one who has the upside of a Barack Obama is disturbing to say the least.
The turning point for me was hearing her tout John "100 year war" Mcain's experience to be CIC while implying that Obama did not meet the standard to be CIC. This was a molotov cocktail of poor taste mixed with a complete lack of any substantive proof to back it up. The only thing this terrible statement did was insure that John Mcain and his Rove directed 527s would splash it on everything from mailers to commercials to billboards.
This type of dirty pool is unnaceptable for me to tolerate as it goes against the very basis of why I am progressive/liberal/democrat. Being honest and just is more important than just winning, smearing a fellow democrat in a fashion that is simultaneously not supported in fact AND helpful to the very people who have nearly ruined this country is unacceptable.
I believe that by engaging in this sort of scorched earth campaigning Hillary has ceded the very moral high ground that most progressives value.
I hope this whole campaign works out and in the end a Democrat is sitting in the WH, but if it goes awry and we basically get a third Bush term I believe the blame can and will be laid at Hillary's feet.
And that blame will be deserved.
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youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 08:28 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
WesDem |
Mar-08-08 08:30 PM |
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Nothing here but Obama Thugs smearing Clinton ad nauseum |
hueyshort |
Mar-09-08 08:41 AM |
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You may want to review your post |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:29 AM |
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That's all they do here. Been that way for weeks. Welcome.. |
KAZ |
Mar-09-08 09:54 AM |
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Just wanted to say that I enjoyed this reply. |
tbyg52 |
Mar-09-08 02:02 PM |
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Funny, it is the less educated voting for HRC. |
joeprogressive |
Mar-09-08 09:33 AM |
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Kerry attracted the "better educated" voters, too. |
Straight Shooter |
Mar-09-08 10:42 AM |
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It's really great to have you here, hueyshort, |
WesDem |
Mar-09-08 09:36 AM |
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The OP was thoughtful and well-reasoned. If you had disagreed in a thoughtful |
grace0418 |
Mar-09-08 10:20 AM |
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I take it you base your description... |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Mar-09-08 08:46 PM |
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K & R |
Quixote1818 |
Mar-08-08 08:30 PM |
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Ah, a new voice with which to bash Hillary. |
Miss Chybil |
Mar-08-08 08:31 PM |
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It would only be a bash |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 08:35 PM |
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Good questions but they |
zidzi |
Mar-08-08 08:58 PM |
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First off, I already voted for Hillary |
Miss Chybil |
Mar-08-08 09:01 PM |
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I understand and support everything you said in your post except |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:06 PM |
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Hear, hear and welcome but one correction for ya. . . |
Lena inRI |
Mar-09-08 09:11 PM |
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Once could be misspeaking |
charlie |
Mar-08-08 09:24 PM |
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mistakes happen |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 10:13 PM |
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Nice Post |
JimGinPA |
Mar-08-08 08:39 PM |
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Welcome to DU, youknowmenotdlc! |
babylonsister |
Mar-08-08 08:40 PM |
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Hell of a post for #13. Applause, and welcome. |
jazzjunkysue |
Mar-08-08 08:41 PM |
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It's actually perfectly understandable |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 08:44 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
AZBlue |
Mar-08-08 08:42 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
Blue Fire |
Mar-08-08 08:42 PM |
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uh oh now you did it |
stop the bleeding |
Mar-08-08 08:43 PM |
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A hearty "welcome" and rec for you! |
Kristi1696 |
Mar-08-08 08:47 PM |
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Mar-08-08 08:52 PM |
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I ask you this |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 08:55 PM |
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Nice try - not buying. |
emilyg |
Mar-08-08 08:54 PM |
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Welcome to DU, youknowmenotdlc.. |
zidzi |
Mar-08-08 08:55 PM |
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Ok |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:00 PM |
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It;'s from Naughty by Nature: OPP |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:08 PM |
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No, I flunk da quiz.. |
zidzi |
Mar-08-08 09:10 PM |
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DLC bad |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:13 PM |
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Now we're gettin' |
zidzi |
Mar-08-08 09:15 PM |
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Great post, youknowmenotdlc. |
No Surrender |
Mar-08-08 09:10 PM |
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Wooden spoon brigade again |
JoFerret |
Mar-08-08 09:26 PM |
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Mcain does have a lot of holes in his game |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:31 PM |
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Mar-08-08 09:41 PM |
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Poor taste on my part |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-08-08 09:45 PM |
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"My friends" |
JoFerret |
Mar-09-08 06:44 AM |
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I forgive you for calling me a GOPer |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 08:28 AM |
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Great summation, great OP. Welcome to DU! |
hisownpetard |
Mar-09-08 02:50 PM |
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Hillary's comment about McCain's experience has been a deal-breaker for lots of Democrats. |
Perry Logan |
Mar-09-08 06:49 AM |
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I don't rember Obama praising Reagan |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 08:27 AM |
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great post. |
npincus |
Mar-09-08 06:51 AM |
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Welcome. Well written post! |
stillrockin |
Mar-09-08 08:11 AM |
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K&R...and welcome to the DU! |
Hepburn |
Mar-09-08 08:35 AM |
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Welcome to DU |
GoPsUx |
Mar-09-08 08:39 AM |
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If Hillary can make that case an win votes, what will McCain be able to do? |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 08:42 AM |
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So we reject progressive ideals and common decency |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:10 AM |
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This is a common problem in our party, we are afraid to talk about National Security. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 09:12 AM |
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How does fear mongering and propping up the Republican candidate |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:18 AM |
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Who will McCain make the most hay against? Please answer the question. nt |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 09:19 AM |
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No need to say please |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:24 AM |
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Hillary's position on Iraq |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 09:27 AM |
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I believe that your opinion is genuinely held |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:32 AM |
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CIC already have carte blanche to launch military actions |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 09:47 AM |
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And yet 23 Senate Dems did just that without |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 09:58 AM |
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Totally wrong friend. |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 10:04 AM |
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So we are in agreement |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 10:11 AM |
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Geebus H.... |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 10:15 AM |
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round and round we go |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 10:19 AM |
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at least Obama is intelligent, |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 10:26 AM |
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Actually Obama stated his opposition to the war clearly |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 10:32 AM |
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She was also opposed to war, read the floor speech she made. |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 10:37 AM |
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"inescapable and unforgivable" you have tried to make like you |
Jim4Wes |
Mar-09-08 10:06 AM |
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Hillary cannot change her vote thus the "unescapable" part |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 10:15 AM |
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Bingo! |
think4yourself |
Mar-09-08 08:15 PM |
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here's a tip since you're new |
crispini |
Mar-09-08 10:25 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
VolcanoJen |
Mar-09-08 10:26 AM |
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Welcome.. glad to see you jumped right in ! :-) |
K Gardner |
Mar-09-08 10:28 AM |
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You may be new here but you're obviously... |
IMModerate |
Mar-09-08 12:33 PM |
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I was actually a fan of both Bill and Hillary and still believe |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 02:29 PM |
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Yesiree, your word choice is excellent. . . |
Lena inRI |
Mar-09-08 09:54 PM |
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I agree with everything..... |
Jokinomx |
Mar-09-08 02:40 PM |
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Thanks |
youknowmenotdlc |
Mar-09-08 02:51 PM |
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Welcome. |
bvar22 |
Mar-09-08 06:10 PM |
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DU Recepción |
L0oniX |
Mar-09-08 07:26 PM |
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Welcome to DU and I agree ...the blame will be on Hillary nt |
NoBushSpokenHere |
Mar-09-08 08:19 PM |
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K&R&Welcome |
frog92969 |
Mar-09-08 08:21 PM |
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