You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

VP Debunker: Bayh won't sell [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
katieforeman Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:26 PM
Original message
VP Debunker: Bayh won't sell
Advertisements [?]
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 10:18 PM by katieforeman
From some of the comments I've heard coming from the Kerry camp, I have a sneaky suspicion that Evan Bayh is further up the short list than most of us realize. Kerry already tipped his hand when he said he could win without the South. We all know how important OH is, and Bayh has the policy wonkish qualities Kerry seems to value.

Here are some of the reasons Kerry may be considering Bayh so seriously:

Geography As a Democrat in a Midwestern Republican state, Bayh has a record of attracting ticket-splitters. Therefore, Bayh will help the ticket win moderate Republicans and independents in OH and other key Midwestern battleground states.

Debunker: There is absolutely no evidence that Bayh's ability to win Republican votes in an IN senate or governor race will translate into the ability to win votes for Kerry outside of IN in a presidential race. Voting for governor or senator is a very different decision than voting for a President. Furthermore, Bayh has no proven appeal outside of IN. He has no experience in a national campaign.

John Edwards, on the other hand, has proven his appeal to moderates and Independents. During the primaries he won among these groups in WI and other states. John Edwards has experience running a national campaign. He was beating President Bush by about 10 points in national polls, about the same as Kerry at the time, before he dropped out of the race.

Free media According to conventional wisdom, a surprise choice for VP generates more free media coverage. Furthermore, a surprise might send Republicans scrambling to change their strategy.

Debunker: This line of reasoning ignores the very real expectations and preference for John Edwards. Many of the Kerry voters and volunteers I spoke with seemed to be under the impression they were voting for a Kerry/Edwards ticket. According to exit polls, Edwards was the first choice for VP among 40% of primary voters. See www.draftkerryedwards.com for more polls.

This clear preference and expectation for a particular vp is unprecedented. Has there ever been a movement to draft a vp?

An unexpected but uninspired choice, has the potential to hit the ground with a thud, generating a wave of dissapointment rather than a wave of excitement. The media is already speculating that Kerry might not choose Edwards because he doesn't want to be upstaged by his running-mate. As one reporter put it, if Edwards isn't chosen it will be because he is a rock star. There may also be speculation that Kerry still held a grudge against Edwards over the primary campaign.
This kind of coverage nobody needs.

Furthermore, if George Bush has taught us anything it is that expectations matter. Bayh would be subjected to constant comparisons to Edwards.

Finally, if Kerry turns a deaf ear to the clearly expressed preference of the people who gave him the nomination, it may re-enforce the negative streotype of Kerry as aloof and out of touch.

Play for the Middle Bayh has executive experience and has balanced budgets as a governor. Bayh's record as a fiscal conservative will help nuetralize Bush's charges that Kerry is an old-style tax and spin liberal.

Debunker:Ultimately, people vote for President not vice-president. Voters really don't care whether or not Kerry's running mate has executive experience or is from a neighboring state. Kerry's running mate is important because his running mate affects the way voters see Kerry.

Kerry's choice of running-mate sends a message about his values. True, the selection of Bayh might send a signal about Kerry's fiscal conservatism. However, the seletion of Edwards sends a strong message that Kerry cares about jobs and working people. That's a more appealing message to many swing voters.

Kerry and his running mate will be interacting frequently in public. Edwards brings out Kerry's smile and warmth. Edwards helps people like and connect with Kerry. Bayh seems a little stiff and might re-enforce the notion that Kerry is aloof and out of touch.

Kerry's running-mate will be his top campaigner. Edwards is the best campaigner in the party today. As one of the most feared trial attorneys in NC, Edwards learned how to make a persuasive argument. Edwards is the best person to make the case for John Kerry every single day. Bayh is an unknown as a campaigner.

Kerry's name will be linked inextricably with that of his running-mate forming a sort of brand. The Kerry/Edwards brand evokes energy, optimism, courage and experience. Kerry/Bayh is a career politician brand.

Sometimes the obvious choice is also the best choice. Please, please Senator Kerry pick Edwards.

PS These arguments against Bayh also apply to Gov. Vilsek of IA and Gov Rendell of PA.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -VP Debunker: Bayh won't sell katieforeman  Apr-07-04 09:26 PM   #0 
  - Bayh's so conservative !  senseandsensibility   Apr-07-04 09:30 PM   #1 
  - He's a conservative only on the ridiculously skewed DU scale  dolstein   Apr-07-04 09:39 PM   #5 
     - Excuse me?  senseandsensibility   Apr-07-04 09:48 PM   #8 
     - Of course DU standards are ridiculously skewed  jsw_81   Apr-08-04 05:53 AM   #26 
     - Bayh voted against the Estrada nomination, repeal of the Estate Tax,  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-09-04 08:43 AM   #43 
     - I disagree  fujiyama   Apr-08-04 01:21 AM   #24 
        - You got that straight...  LiberalFighter   Apr-08-04 05:06 PM   #34 
  - I'd be very surprised if Evan Bayh is selected  dolstein   Apr-07-04 09:37 PM   #2 
  - So who would you recommend?  jsw_81   Apr-08-04 05:55 AM   #27 
     - Bill Richardson, if he'll take it  dolstein   Apr-08-04 08:15 PM   #40 
  - Why  istherehope   Apr-07-04 09:37 PM   #3 
  - Bayh is a VP candidate most Americans would be comfortable with.  David Dunham   Apr-07-04 09:39 PM   #4 
  - Edwards  ezee   Apr-07-04 09:51 PM   #10 
  - Totally agree.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 10:06 PM   #15 
     - I wondered why  King of New Orleans   Apr-07-04 10:16 PM   #18 
        - Totally agree.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 10:26 PM   #20 
  - Me too.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 10:15 PM   #17 
  - I'm afraid Bob Graham would be a disaster  dolstein   Apr-07-04 09:42 PM   #7 
     - did anyone see  TheFarseer   Apr-07-04 10:02 PM   #13 
        - On c-span, I heard him sing at a campaign event in IA.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 10:52 PM   #21 
  - Rightfully or wrongfully, Kerry is afraid to..  girl gone mad   Apr-07-04 09:42 PM   #6 
  - Is there a  istherehope   Apr-07-04 09:50 PM   #9 
     - No  dolstein   Apr-07-04 09:52 PM   #11 
     - Clark  ezee   Apr-07-04 09:53 PM   #12 
  - Ohioans don't have a bloody clue  eileen from OH   Apr-07-04 10:02 PM   #14 
  - Couldn't agree with you more.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 10:11 PM   #16 
  - Ohioans can have Bayh if they so choose  IndianaGreen   Apr-07-04 11:37 PM   #22 
  - Newsflash: Gephardt is from the midwest  jsw_81   Apr-08-04 05:56 AM   #28 
  - Politicians from neighboring states are...  LiberalFighter   Apr-08-04 05:10 PM   #35 
  - how about Wes Clark ?  JI7   Apr-07-04 10:24 PM   #19 
  - You're right the issue is who is the best fit for Kerry.  katieforeman   Apr-07-04 11:54 PM   #23 
  - One thing's pretty certain: Bayh wouldn't give us Indiana.  elperromagico   Apr-08-04 05:16 PM   #36 
  - I disagree completely  jsw_81   Apr-08-04 05:47 AM   #25 
  - Choosing Bayh would upset  BrentTaylor   Apr-08-04 08:34 AM   #29 
  - I'm from OH and I don't think Bayh helps theres.  katieforeman   Apr-08-04 11:55 AM   #30 
  - Landslide Margins in a Republican state?  LiberalFighter   Apr-08-04 05:34 PM   #37 
  - NO!!! Bayh is the only Democrat that can keep that Senate seat...  PROGRESSIVE1   Apr-08-04 01:22 PM   #31 
  - Good point.  katieforeman   Apr-08-04 04:41 PM   #33 
  - Kathleen Sebelius of KS meets that criteria.  beyurslf   Apr-08-04 04:38 PM   #32 
  - Debunk this: Bayh is a blow- dried, bone-headed, DLC As*hole!!  farmbo   Apr-08-04 06:54 PM   #38 
  - Gotta watch out for those blow-dried DLCers  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-09-04 10:57 AM   #47 
  - Here is Guardian Unlimited's pick on Bayh  LiberalFighter   Apr-08-04 07:59 PM   #39 
  - The Guardian is obviously clueless  dolstein   Apr-08-04 08:17 PM   #41 
     - I agree... but they also consider him bland  LiberalFighter   Apr-08-04 08:33 PM   #42 
        - The only candidate  PATRICK   Apr-09-04 10:48 AM   #46 
           - Bayh and Daschle  PATRICK   Apr-09-04 11:00 AM   #48 
           - If you can get me a link to Bayh's statement of gw* being a genius  LiberalFighter   Apr-09-04 11:39 AM   #49 
  - Said it before, I'll say it again ...  hippiechick   Apr-09-04 08:52 AM   #44 
     - No on Edwards  Nashyra   Apr-09-04 09:10 AM   #45 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC