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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #30
53. Quite right
There is a slight difference between delegate selection between primary and caucus results. When the national delegates are selected for a state, whether it is a caucus or a primary, the candidates have an opportunity to vet the delegates pledged to them. In some states individuals must apply to become a delegate, and the candidates can remove them from the list if they do not believe they would be loyal. In other states the delegates effectively stand on the ballot on primary day, and the candidates can review the list and remove names from the ballot of delegates standing to be pledged to them if they feel they will not be loyal. This effectively means pledged delegates are not going to stray barring some unforeseen change as the campaigns can review each and every delegate. With caucuses there is a caveat. The delegates for the national convention are not technically selected at the caucuses, instead state or sometimes county or congressional district delegates are selected at the precinct caucuses. While these state, county, or district delegates are similarly "pledged" to the candidates in proportion to their votes at the precinct caucuses, the campaigns do not get to vet them at this level. They only get to vet the delegates selected at the state and district level conventions, so while these delegates will almost certainly be loyal, there is less guarantee that the delegates at the district or state conventions were loyal to the precinct results. I know that may sound confusing. In simplest terms, the national delegates selected by either caucuses or primaries will most likely be loyal due to the vetting process, but there is no guarantee. The state and district delegates selected by precinct caucuses are not vetted, and may therefore be less loyal, but the delegates they in turn select will undergo the vetting process.
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  -Why the Texas caucuses are a farce. antigop  Mar-07-08 09:23 AM   #0 
  - Whine whimper  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:25 AM   #1 
  - Who's whining? I'm pointing out why they are a farce. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:27 AM   #4 
  - They are what they are  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:30 AM   #10 
     - Nope, not whining, just educating people who may not know how it works. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:31 AM   #11 
     - How do we know that the majority of the nearly 3 million Democrats in Texas are happy with this?  Zynx   Mar-07-08 09:33 AM   #13 
     - Deleted-double post. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:34 AM   #14 
     - especially if they really don't understand how it works? I'm not sure people really understand. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:35 AM   #16 
     - Well gee, they've had thirty plus years to change it,  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:35 AM   #17 
        - Um. no. Not if they don't understand how it really works. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:36 AM   #18 
        - LOL, I think that after thirty plus years, the Texas Democrats know how their system works  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:41 AM   #25 
        - HA! Another flame -- I'm REALLY onto something here. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:44 AM   #32 
           - I call them as I see them  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:48 AM   #39 
              - More proof I'm onto something. Thanks. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:49 AM   #42 
        - Umm, three examples, and one of them from a new Texas resident,  MadHound   Mar-07-08 09:46 AM   #36 
        - No. Actually it doesn't.  Zynx   Mar-07-08 09:46 AM   #35 
     - No they aren't happy with them  Horse with no Name   Mar-07-08 09:36 AM   #19 
        - More ltte's from the Star-Telegram. NO, they ARE NOT happy.  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:49 AM   #40 
  - Not could hurt both candidates equally...maybe BO  joeybee12   Mar-07-08 09:42 AM   #29 
  - Clinton voters were locked out of some TX caucuses  hueyshort   Mar-07-08 09:57 AM   #51 
     - About as far as you have in DU.  BushDespiser12   Mar-07-08 11:50 AM   #68 
  - This is not limited to Texas  Bleachers7   Mar-07-08 09:25 AM   #2 
  - I wonder how many people who vote in caucuses know this? n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:27 AM   #5 
  - It's not limited to caucuses.  Bleachers7   Mar-07-08 09:34 AM   #15 
  - Are the results non=binding in all other states? Is there a documented way to audit the results? n/  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:28 AM   #6 
  - I have come to the conclusion that the caucuses are for the Party, not the people. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:26 AM   #3 
  - Unfortunately, you and Hillary aren't going to be able to move those goalposts in  skipos   Mar-07-08 09:28 AM   #7 
  - Why in the world are you putting me and Hillary together? Check my posts.  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:29 AM   #8 
  - What do you know about Texas caucuses?  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:30 AM   #9 
  - um, I posted links from the TX Democrats website. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:31 AM   #12 
     - Yes, I have read the information in those links  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:37 AM   #20 
        - Yes, the delegates are chosen by the people in the caucus. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:39 AM   #22 
           - The delegates are chosen by the supporters of the candidate  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:42 AM   #26 
              - And that assumes everyone in the caucus KNOWS everyone else.  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:43 AM   #31 
                 - So, individuals from precincts pretend to support a candidate  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:49 AM   #41 
                    - It's a hole in the system that I have pointed out. And it's the AUDIT problem. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:51 AM   #43 
                       - One of the things one can do is propose resolutions at a caucus  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:53 AM   #46 
                          - ooh,, nice sidestep. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:54 AM   #48 
                             - Who is sidestepping?  blogslut   Mar-07-08 09:59 AM   #52 
                                - Thank you for admitting the flaw exists. Thank you very much. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:02 AM   #55 
                                - Look, I'm not trying to attack you  blogslut   Mar-07-08 10:13 AM   #63 
                                   - Oh, really? Not trying to attack me...could have fooled me. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:15 AM   #64 
                                      - Okay  blogslut   Mar-07-08 10:18 AM   #66 
                                - oh, and thanks for the kicks -- this way other people can be educated about the "process" n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:03 AM   #56 
                                   - And the flaws....n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:04 AM   #57 
  - Do you think either side is dirty enough?  kennetha   Mar-07-08 09:39 AM   #21 
  - Yep. Lots of room for "gaming the system". And do people know how to audit the results? n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:40 AM   #23 
  - That's why people in each precinct need to audit the results of the convention.  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:41 AM   #24 
  - And the fact that I seem to be getting flamed for pointing some of this stuff out is, well,  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:42 AM   #27 
  - Because Hillary lost them?  Radical Activist   Mar-07-08 09:42 AM   #28 
  - PLEASE, check my other posts. Definitely NOT a Hillary supporter. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:45 AM   #33 
  - Um, that's not just TX caucuses... that's all primaries, all caucuses.  redqueen   Mar-07-08 09:42 AM   #30 
  - Well, I can't vouch for "all" of them. I wonder if people really understand how it works.  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:46 AM   #34 
  - Of course not. Most simply don't give a damn.  redqueen   Mar-07-08 09:47 AM   #37 
     - And it seems like some on DU are getting REALLY UPSET that we are pointing this stuff out. Gee..  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:51 AM   #44 
  - Let's make this point a little louder Redqueen (m)  moc   Mar-07-08 09:48 AM   #38 
  - I can't vouch for "all" the others -- I can only vouch for Texas from the links I found. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:53 AM   #45 
     - Great non-answer, there.  moc   Mar-07-08 09:56 AM   #50 
        - My, my, another attack. Gee, I wonder why...I've only pointed out the TX process.  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:00 AM   #54 
           - Playing the victim. That's effective. I've asked you a simple question  moc   Mar-07-08 10:05 AM   #58 
              - Ooh, nice attack again. I DID answer the question. I can't vouch for the other states.  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:08 AM   #59 
              - Read post #53 which lays out exactly what I have told you.  moc   Mar-07-08 10:11 AM   #61 
                 - It ain't bashing if it's the truth. I'm only pointing out how it works in Texas.  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:13 AM   #62 
              - oh, and thanks for the kicks -- this way other people can be educated about the "process" n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:10 AM   #60 
  - Quite right  mohc   Mar-07-08 10:00 AM   #53 
     - I don't think the OP really wants an answer anyway. But nice of you to try!  Bongo Prophet   Mar-07-08 12:39 PM   #69 
  - My, my. why am I getting attacked on this thread? Gee, I wonder.... n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:53 AM   #47 
  - Because you don't understand the process.  Bleachers7   Mar-07-08 10:25 AM   #67 
     - Oh, but sweetheart, I DO understand the process. I most certainly do. And that's what upsets people  antigop   Mar-07-08 02:52 PM   #70 
  - Thanks for the kicks, guys! I appreciate it -- gets more attention to the issue. n/t  antigop   Mar-07-08 09:55 AM   #49 
  - Hey, folks this was educational. Thanks. Gotta work to do..not paid to post on DU all day.  antigop   Mar-07-08 10:18 AM   #65 

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