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Thu Mar-06-08 01:46 PM
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| 37. Why doesn't Hillaryworld like democracy? |
| -Caucus Drives Latest Ruckus: Clinton Campaign Says System Is Undemocratic |
DeepModem Mom |
Mar-06-08 01:06 PM |
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Caucuses reek of Castro's Cuba |
billbuckhead |
Mar-06-08 01:08 PM |
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yeah, Castro lets citizens hold caucuses... |
NorthernSpy |
Mar-06-08 01:13 PM |
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don't be utterly ridiculous. There is nothing inherently undemocratic |
cali |
Mar-06-08 01:14 PM |
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You think a fixed window of time that prohibits some from voting is democratic? |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:22 PM |
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You are clueless as to how caucuses work in my state. -eom |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:27 PM |
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So those people who can't caucus can still be counted? |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:30 PM |
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Yup - absolutely. We have early voting for a full 10 days. |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:37 PM |
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So the votes of people who can't go to the caucus don't count the same as those who do both? |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:40 PM |
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No, 2/3 of all delegates come from ballot, 1/3 from caucus. It's a percentage of the same vote. |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:47 PM |
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Isn't the 1/3 vote still biased against those who cannot caucus? |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:53 PM |
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No, it's not "biased", the 1/3 is representative of Democratic activism. |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:59 PM |
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And doesn't reward those who have to work or are not physically able to caucus. |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 02:03 PM |
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Maybe in Texas but not in all states... |
democrat_nanny |
Mar-06-08 01:53 PM |
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I like the idea of a caucus a lot, but each person should have the same say |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:59 PM |
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Maine has absentee caucusing for any reason whatsoever |
eridani |
Mar-07-08 05:19 AM |
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I think caucuses are very democratic |
cali |
Mar-06-08 01:29 PM |
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I LOVE the idea of a caucus. It's direct and raw and very romantic, but |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:38 PM |
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They're only undemocratic because Hilly loses them. |
Window |
Mar-06-08 02:01 PM |
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Really? |
Inuca |
Mar-06-08 01:24 PM |
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Open primaries |
tabatha |
Mar-06-08 01:08 PM |
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All this familiarity with politics, and now she complains? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Mar-06-08 01:09 PM |
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She loved it in 1992 |
WolverineDG |
Mar-06-08 01:13 PM |
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It's funny how it's only undemocratic when you lose. Gimme a break! |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-06-08 01:14 PM |
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Oh yeah |
WolverineDG |
Mar-06-08 01:12 PM |
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I was the election judge. We locked the doors at 7:00 to keep the Caucasus goers out until the |
Vincardog |
Mar-06-08 01:45 PM |
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Our election judge kept us out until after the last person voted |
WolverineDG |
Mar-06-08 04:28 PM |
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It looked like democracy to me! |
ClayZ |
Mar-06-08 01:14 PM |
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She didn't have a problem with the Texas caucus in 92/96 when her husband ran |
MagickMuffin |
Mar-06-08 01:14 PM |
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So, the caucus are not democratic because some people got heckled |
snooper2 |
Mar-06-08 01:16 PM |
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Desperation is a stinky cologne |
anigbrowl |
Mar-06-08 01:20 PM |
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her own training materials call for excluding Obama supporters from serving as caucus officials... |
NorthernSpy |
Mar-06-08 01:21 PM |
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The Clintons essentially ran the DNC for 12 years |
theboss |
Mar-06-08 01:25 PM |
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States Rights.... |
democrat_nanny |
Mar-06-08 01:54 PM |
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Indeed. Why weren't caucuses undemocratic in 1992 and 1996? |
eridani |
Mar-07-08 05:19 AM |
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At least the "voters are sheeple" meme will die an overdue death now. It is inspiring |
pampango |
Mar-06-08 01:27 PM |
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Hillary's supporters just aren't as dedicated, that's all. |
JackORoses |
Mar-06-08 01:28 PM |
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When Clinton loses, she threatens to sue state Dem parties & throws them under the bus. |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:28 PM |
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Whine hilary Whine...'cause that's all your |
zidzi |
Mar-06-08 01:29 PM |
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It is becoming increasingly clear that BO is no friend to democracy. |
MyPetRock |
Mar-06-08 01:30 PM |
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of course, she's losing |
blocker |
Mar-06-08 01:32 PM |
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Then run for President of Paraguay or something Hillary |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-06-08 01:35 PM |
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We've had the same rules in Texas since 1972. Why the outrage now? |
sparosnare |
Mar-06-08 01:40 PM |
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Because the rules are biased and make Hillary sad. |
AtomicKitten |
Mar-06-08 01:41 PM |
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trite |
paulk |
Mar-06-08 01:56 PM |
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What is trite is her sniveling about the rules in the middle of the game just because she's losing. |
AtomicKitten |
Mar-06-08 02:26 PM |
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Because unlike when her husband won here in '92, she's losing. -eom |
Justitia |
Mar-06-08 01:41 PM |
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Whereas anonymous voting into hack-able machines owned by RWers is the epitome of democracy. |
thecatburgler |
Mar-06-08 01:40 PM |
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Bet I know what she'd be saying if she'd WON... |
AZBlue |
Mar-06-08 01:43 PM |
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Voting should be made as easy as possible for everyone to participate. I have a hard time |
wlucinda |
Mar-06-08 01:45 PM |
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Why doesn't Hillaryworld like democracy? |
zulchzulu |
Mar-06-08 01:46 PM |
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yeah...welll..... |
lmbradford |
Mar-06-08 01:48 PM |
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Of course they arent fair, but these rules have been in place for a long time, and she knew about it |
hnmnf |
Mar-06-08 01:50 PM |
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The caucus process is undemocratic... |
democrat_nanny |
Mar-06-08 01:51 PM |
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The caucus process is only "undemocratic" when your candidate gets their ass kicked |
zulchzulu |
Mar-06-08 01:59 PM |
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If you really want to participate |
WolverineDG |
Mar-06-08 04:33 PM |
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But simultaneously, HRC wants to net 616k votes and 100 delegates from Michigan's |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Mar-06-08 01:54 PM |
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Yes, they're obviously undemocratic, Clinton lost. |
billyoc |
Mar-06-08 01:57 PM |
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Pack it up Hill, your finished. n/t |
ExFreeper4Obama |
Mar-06-08 01:58 PM |
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They are undemocratic |
sniffa |
Mar-06-08 04:29 PM |
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Those are her failing tactics. |
votesomemore |
Mar-07-08 05:39 AM |
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