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Nick Lento Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:52 PM
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80. Made Up? Etc...
Let's see; the Clinton people tried to suck the Obama people into making demonstrably false accusations by setting up a situation in which the net result is that hundreds of thousands of people see Barack Obama as more negroid than he actually is.

The "rationale" would be to make borderline racists (which is lots and lots and lots of Americans) feel uncomfortable with him; if only on some kind of unconscious level......and then be able to claim that the outraged Obama supporters were being paranoid when something like "Fact Check" revealed that it could have just been an artifact of the technical ramifications of video being rejiggered in different sites/venues/formats.

Are the Clinton dirty tricks people that clever? That insidious? I wouldn't put it past em; but I don't know. This could just be some horrific "coincidence" that ends up playing to the Clinton strategy of reminding "whites" that Obama is "black" (which is all so damn dumb because nobody is white or black anyway!)

It is telling that at the youtube Clinton site this afternoon the view count was 130K with only SIX comments; and the vid was rated with only two stars!!! That means a lot of negative comments were never allowed on the site and that most of the viewers who commented gave it a low rating......on the other hand; we'll never know how many of that 130K were subliminally influenced in a negative way.

I suppose that the Bill Clinton SC Jesse Jackson crack can also be interpreted as just an off the cuff wiseass remark or as a calculated attempt to remind people that Obama is black.

IMHO The American people had accepted Obama as just another American; race really was never an "issue" until Clinton's remarks and the way the press played it all to the now when this situation comes up with the video, we're all primed to believe, or at least suspect, the worst.

AT this point I'm leaning 60 40 that it was done in a way that would be intentionally ambiguous and that that Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign have become political bedmates, at least until they have dispatched Obama....they have made common cause.........and anything that reminds people of race is "good" for them.

I hope Obama keeps his cool and doesn't get down into the muck with these rats; but that he finds a way to go negative on the negativity thereby exposing the ugliness for all to see.

So far, not one of the issues/charges that McHillary have raised against Obama have amounted to anything substantive......but I do give McHillary credit for "changing" the psychological dynamics in a negative way.

Sadly, the politics of personal destruction is alive and well.

<b>I pray Obama beats the odds and hands kicks the establishment in the ass as he wins the nomination and the presidency; and that Hillary is primaried out of office next time out. She's another Lieberman at this point.</b> (And, yes, I would still vote for her over McCain if she steals the nomination.)
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  - Recommended  Cronus Protagonist   Mar-05-08 11:57 PM   #1 
  - Looks like everything the same darkness to me.  moobu2   Mar-05-08 11:58 PM   #2 
  - You had better seek an optometrist.  BushDespiser12   Mar-06-08 12:00 AM   #3 
  - It might look that way on a laptop, especially on battery power.  anigbrowl   Mar-06-08 12:02 AM   #7 
  - Yeah, Who Could Think Darkening A Black Man's Face In An Attack Ad Would Be Offensive To Anyone?  JimGinPA   Mar-06-08 12:05 AM   #10 
     - nt  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:20 AM   #22 
  - Email fact check  anigbrowl   Mar-06-08 12:00 AM   #4 
  - You're all wrong? If you have explained all, please point me to the link.  BushDespiser12   Mar-06-08 12:03 AM   #8 
  - I have notified both Kos and Fact Check. We'll see who responds.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:28 AM   #26 
  - Kick.  hey560   Mar-06-08 12:01 AM   #5 
  - I hope you notify them of your findings!  No Surrender   Mar-06-08 12:01 AM   #6 
  - Thanks. I notified both Kos and Fact Check. Kos has responded. No Comment from Fact Check. Yet.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 02:23 PM   #72 
  - your screen grabs are different widths  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:03 AM   #9 
  - No, they are not. They are fit to the movie size, both are 640x480. The left video  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:06 AM   #12 
     - The images themselves are the same width  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:15 AM   #17 
        - No, the player is the same size in both left and right. download the movies yourself  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:17 AM   #18 
           - Well, it wasn't the players themselves  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:29 AM   #27 
              - Fair point. I've edited the post so you can see the images top/bottom as well.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:36 AM   #33 
  - The concluding summation paragraph in Fact Check was revealing also  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-06-08 12:05 AM   #11 
  - Here's what I think happened  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:13 AM   #15 
     - So, why distort the size of his face then? To stretch it to be wider than it is?  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:14 AM   #16 
     - Her video was formatted to wide-screen  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:18 AM   #20 
        - Clinton's Video is HOW IT AIRED AND PLAYS on a normal T.V. (same aspect ratio)  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:21 AM   #23 
           - Nooo  blogslut   Mar-06-08 12:31 AM   #29 
              - You aren't listening: Fact Check DOCTORED The Video. The same top/bottom black bars are on it.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:38 AM   #34 
     - just as plausible, but.... without them owning up to what they did, we question and HRC supporters  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:23 AM   #25 
  - Hillary will bring honesty and integrity to the Whitehouse, erm maybe erm hmmm....  barack the house   Mar-06-08 12:07 AM   #13 
  - MSNBC revealed that there's no way Hillary can catch up to Obama's ....  Hieronymus   Mar-06-08 12:10 AM   #14 
  - Make that 70%  discerning christian   Mar-06-08 12:18 AM   #19 
  - One thing about all this..  FlyingSquirrel   Mar-06-08 12:19 AM   #21 
  - Not when I watch them playing Side-by-Side on my LCD. They Look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:22 AM   #24 
     - I didn't look at the fact check one... If they altered Clinton's, then that's  FlyingSquirrel   Mar-06-08 12:30 AM   #28 
     - Wired News did their own analysis  Ichingcarpenter   Mar-06-08 12:35 AM   #32 
     - The first thing done when making political attack ad  moobu2   Mar-06-08 12:31 AM   #30 
        - you are totally bogus.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:39 AM   #35 
  - There is no doubt they darkened the video...  Milo_Bloom   Mar-06-08 12:31 AM   #31 
  - I was watching the history channel a few weeks ago  moobu2   Mar-06-08 12:49 AM   #36 
     - I would love to have seen those vicious attack ads in George Washigton's day  FlyingSquirrel   Mar-06-08 12:55 AM   #37 
     - If it's just innocent attack ad fun, WHY EDIT THE VIDEO TO MAKE IT LOOK AS IF IT WASN'T DARKENED?!  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:59 AM   #38 
     - Its an attack ad  moobu2   Mar-06-08 01:06 AM   #39 
        - You aren't Answering the question: WHY DOCTOR IT TO LOOK LIKE THEY DIDN'T?!  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 01:10 AM   #40 
     - The "Everybody does it" defense.  Milo_Bloom   Mar-06-08 09:57 AM   #70 
  - It's starting to look like this was a made up issue from the very beginning  guruoo   Mar-06-08 01:15 AM   #41 
  - Made Up? Etc...  Nick Lento   Mar-06-08 10:52 PM   #80 
     - Yes. Made up...  guruoo   Mar-07-08 02:33 AM   #83 
  - et tu, FactCheck?  EmperorHasNoClothes   Mar-06-08 01:36 AM   #42 
  - Kicking for the morning crew.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 07:56 AM   #43 
  - Frankly, his skin looks unaturaly lightened in the lighter version. Where I  AchtungToddler   Mar-06-08 07:56 AM   #44 
  - You missed the point. WHY WOULD FactCheck DOCTOR THE ORIGINAL VIDEO?  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:21 AM   #45 
     - I don't think Fact Check did any thing of the sort. I think you've gone over the deep end  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:28 AM   #47 
     - !  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-06-08 08:29 AM   #50 
     - You wild-eyed hillary supporters are sounding more like Bush's 19% every day.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:30 AM   #53 
        - Ad hominem  LeftCoast   Mar-06-08 08:31 AM   #55 
        - He's ended the debate with insults and needs to be made aware of his own insanity  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:34 AM   #57 
           - you need to calm down. I'm just someone who thinks you're argument is full of it.  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:41 AM   #63 
        - there it is, the accusation of republicanism  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:34 AM   #59 
           - Your last refuge is to ignore the facts. That's just like the Bush 19%. Good luck with that.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:36 AM   #60 
              - now you've gone and hurt my feelings  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:42 AM   #64 
                 - I'm sorry bigtree, I truly am.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 09:44 AM   #69 
     - I didn't miss the point, I just think your full of yourself and hyped up on your pet theory  AchtungToddler   Mar-06-08 04:54 PM   #73 
  - the bottom one looks SLIGHTLY darker, but more realistic. The others have highlights  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:27 AM   #46 
  - You are completely Blind not to mention AVOIDING the POINT. Why Would FactCheck DOCTOR it at ALL?  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:28 AM   #48 
     - go holler at someone who gives a shit. I think this is completely ignorant.  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:29 AM   #52 
        - If you don't give a shit, then why are you spamming this thread?  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:31 AM   #54 
           - spamming? heh. If I agreed with you I'd be welcome.  bigtree   Mar-06-08 08:33 AM   #56 
              - Well, I will thank you for kicking the post so much. Thanks!  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:34 AM   #58 
  - adjust your meds! and here it is again>>>>always an Obama peep playing the race card  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-06-08 08:28 AM   #49 
  - Take off your blinders.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:29 AM   #51 
  - Fact check says the ad is darker, but they don't think it's race motivated  Bleachers7   Mar-06-08 09:13 AM   #66 
  - Fact check says the ad is darker, but they don't think it's race motivated  Bleachers7   Mar-06-08 08:38 AM   #61 
  - What I don't get is why they would Change the original? Their whole article is suspect now.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:39 AM   #62 
  - The fact check article is bullshit.  Bleachers7   Mar-06-08 09:12 AM   #65 
     - I agree. But they didn't just write a b.s. story, they tried to COVER IT UP by DOCTORING the video.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 09:40 AM   #68 
  - I'm suuuure it was just an honest mistake.  No Surrender   Mar-06-08 09:14 AM   #67 
     - I don't recall if Cheney was pushing it then, but they sure have revealed themselves  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 11:49 AM   #71 
     - he tried but he got the url wrong  eShirl   Mar-06-08 05:01 PM   #75 
  - The one on the right looks better. The other looks compressed and washed out  HughMoran   Mar-06-08 04:59 PM   #74 
  - Factcheck replies directly to Berni_McCoy...  IndyOp   Mar-06-08 08:16 PM   #76 
  - My response is here:  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 08:18 PM   #77 
  - More Obama-myths busted  OzarkDem   Mar-06-08 08:20 PM   #78 
  - The first time I uploaded a video to youtube  lwfern   Mar-06-08 08:27 PM   #79 
  - The original Clinton Video is stretched in comparison to the MSNBC digital feed.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 11:06 PM   #81 
  - They admit in the article that the video WAS darkened  zulchzulu   Mar-06-08 11:18 PM   #82 

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