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Daiy Kos caught smearing Hillary: Factcheck determines "photo darkening" claims "unsubstantiated"
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Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 10:00 PM by ada chupitos perez
The independent website "factcheck.org" analyzed claims by the pro-Obama site Daily Kos, that Hillary Clinton's camp had darkened Obama's picture, or video, in order to make him 'blacker", and determined the claims are "unsubstantiated".

This will be top news on the internet for a few days:

(Translation: The Daily Kos wanted to play the race card yet again.)

These are the independent website's conclusions:

From the website:


Obama supporters on the Internet are agitated over the apparent darkening of Obama's image in a Clinton attack ad.

Our video team took a look. Our conclusions:

* The Obama frames from the ad do appear darker than other video of Obama from the same event.

* However, the YouTube copy of the ad, on which the bloggers base their conclusions, is darker overall than other copies of the ad. We obtained a digital recording of the ad as it actually appeared on a Texas TV station, and it is lighter.

* Furthermore, our analysis of the Obama frames, using Photoshop, shows a fairly uniform darkening of the entire image including the backdrop. It is not just Obama's skin color that's affected.

* Also, nearly all the images in the ad are dark, including those of Hillary Clinton. And dark images are a common technique used in attack ads.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_dar...
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  -Daiy Kos caught smearing Hillary: Factcheck determines "photo darkening" claims "unsubstantiated" ada chupitos perez  Mar-05-08 09:50 PM   #0 
  - Thanks  maddiejoan   Mar-05-08 09:54 PM   #1 
  - And you just KNOW there will be ten threads about the debunking  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-05-08 10:01 PM   #5 
  - with 100's of hate filled slime by posters here on DU!!  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:02 PM   #46 
  - not only was it darkened, it was widened.  cryingshame   Mar-05-08 10:46 PM   #29 
     - Nope  maddiejoan   Mar-05-08 10:49 PM   #31 
     - By whoever put it on you-tube. READ the post. Or this one:  Hoof Hearted   Mar-05-08 11:04 PM   #49 
  - Your facts do not agree with you title.  thunder rising   Mar-05-08 09:55 PM   #2 
  - Hmmm..... would the You-Tube be the original ad and the one now up  hedgehog   Mar-05-08 09:59 PM   #3 
  - You usually have much luck stretching one piece of bubblegum to the moon?  Hoof Hearted   Mar-05-08 11:07 PM   #51 
  - Good to know. I didn't believe she or her campaign would do something like that.  EmilyAnne   Mar-05-08 10:00 PM   #4 
  - Another day, another spurious charge from the Obama camp punctured  Tarc   Mar-05-08 10:02 PM   #6 
  - Yeah, right: clink those beer mugs together with your now tombstoned buddy, the trolling OP....  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:22 PM   #57 
     - hate is not a good thing to live by.  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:56 PM   #74 
        - Neither is buddying up to disruptor trolls - but you go right ahead and keep at it.  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:43 AM   #106 
           - what is disrupting about the OP. ??  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 12:44 AM   #108 
              - He/She/It has been tombstoned, genius. Figure it out for yourself.  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:46 AM   #110 
                 - hey sweetie--I asked about the OP--not the poster.  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:39 AM   #118 
  - Sorry, I still smell a rat. n/t  backscatter712   Mar-05-08 10:06 PM   #7 
  - Get your nose out of your . . . . .  okasha   Mar-05-08 10:53 PM   #37 
  - Rupert Murdoch's NY Post ran this Daily Kos non-story/smear today  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 10:07 PM   #8 
  - I didn't need factcheck to tell me how stupid that was.  Political Heretic   Mar-05-08 10:09 PM   #9 
  - You inspire me to clean out my "buddy" list, which I have been using as a tombstone watch  Hoof Hearted   Mar-05-08 11:17 PM   #54 
  - Thank you--good to hear from an obamafolk  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:51 PM   #66 
  - "Clinton ad makers may have darkened the Obama images intentionally, to some degree"  zulchzulu   Mar-05-08 10:09 PM   #10 
  - "Had the bloggers compared the CMAG version of the ad to the MSNBC version of the debate"  Hoof Hearted   Mar-06-08 12:07 AM   #85 
  - Did they say anything about Hillary's campaign creating the "He's a muslim" e-mail????  kwenu   Mar-05-08 10:10 PM   #11 
  - Stay focused or go start your own thread please  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:05 PM   #50 
  - Just goes to show who the real race baiters are.  joshcryer   Mar-05-08 10:10 PM   #12 
  - just because the whole picture is darker & not just his skin doesn't mean the intent wasnt' the same  Magic Rat   Mar-05-08 10:10 PM   #13 
  - Just because...  Beregond2   Mar-05-08 10:14 PM   #14 
  - listen to your vile. shameful!  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:47 AM   #123 
  - I'm sorry but I don't think factcheck has some extra sensory powers the rest of us do not.  Bread and Circus   Mar-05-08 10:15 PM   #15 
  - hmm, let's see. A team of video experts vs. a DU'ers called 'bread and circus'  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 10:17 PM   #16 
     - The "team of video experts" failed to mention the sources were from different video formats  zulchzulu   Mar-05-08 10:20 PM   #18 
     - go look for yourself...  Bread and Circus   Mar-05-08 10:21 PM   #19 
        - The "widen" is a fucking HOAX  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-05-08 10:38 PM   #27 
           - Again you are asking me to not believe my own eyes...when Obama's image  Bread and Circus   Mar-05-08 11:16 PM   #53 
              - Your own eyes see thru the lens of HATE!! your credibility is ZERO  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:48 PM   #64 
              - rodeodance. i expect more out of you. nu uh. i dont hate. anyone  seabeyond   Mar-05-08 11:59 PM   #79 
                 - this posts are terrible--thread after thread!! and you know that!  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 12:40 AM   #105 
                    - no. i know that something is up with the picture. i want to know why  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:43 AM   #107 
                       - yes. IF doctored. but to ASSume it came from hill camp even before you  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 12:47 AM   #112 
              - this is what get me. it is visible. you are looking at it and hillary suppporters  seabeyond   Mar-05-08 11:58 PM   #77 
  - "And dark images are a common technique used in attack ads."  k8conant   Mar-05-08 10:19 PM   #17 
  - No way!  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Mar-05-08 10:22 PM   #20 
  - The Obama supporters that are jumping on this are fools.  cat_girl25   Mar-05-08 10:22 PM   #21 
  - Okay, smartass. Explain this then:  Kurt_and_Hunter   Mar-05-08 10:24 PM   #22 
  - Oh dear lord.  lizzy   Mar-05-08 10:32 PM   #24 
  - This IS a joke, right??  Sparkly   Mar-05-08 10:54 PM   #40 
  - ACKKKKKKK!!!!! GOOD NIGHT PAJAMAS!!!!!! THE HORROR!!!!! THE HORRRRRRRRORRRR!!!!!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-05-08 11:22 PM   #58 
     - oooooooooo noooooooes!  Hoof Hearted   Mar-06-08 12:08 AM   #86 
  - Would this be the factcheck.org mentioned here?  Kelvin Mace   Mar-05-08 10:30 PM   #23 
  - Out of thousands of fact-checks, you cherry-pick counter-criticism that we don't know to be fair  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 10:35 PM   #26 
  - Good work.  Diane R   Mar-05-08 10:53 PM   #38 
  - Yeah, factcheck has had its own issues and it is known.  mmonk   Mar-05-08 11:03 PM   #47 
  - THANK YOU for bringing this here. It was effin ridiculous in the first place.  Hoof Hearted   Mar-05-08 10:34 PM   #25 
  - It is the "race war" that has brought Obama to his position as front-runner  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 10:39 PM   #28 
     - Not too long ago the right was throwing accusation of Bill fathering black babies as a way of  Hoof Hearted   Mar-05-08 10:50 PM   #33 
  - Can you blame anyone for suspecting Hillary of such shenanigans . . .  InAbLuEsTaTe   Mar-05-08 10:48 PM   #30 
  - They suspected her of Whitewater. They suspected her of Vince Foster  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 10:50 PM   #32 
  - We have eyes. We can see this.  Mystery2Me   Mar-05-08 10:52 PM   #36 
     - lame --hundreds of slime posters all feeding on HATE--that is what was 'seen"!!  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 10:58 PM   #43 
  - Yes, I Absolutely Can.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-05-08 11:21 PM   #56 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Mar-05-08 10:51 PM   #34 
  - ohh, okay, if they darken the entire ad  TheWebHead   Mar-05-08 10:51 PM   #35 
  - In Their Totally Subjective Opinion - They Have No Idea  JimGinPA   Mar-05-08 10:54 PM   #39 
  - and of course that clears hillary and all of us fools, cause we can clearly see the color  seabeyond   Mar-05-08 11:15 PM   #52 
  - So, they darkened the entire ad for what purpose?  Lord Helmet   Mar-05-08 10:56 PM   #41 
  - Haven't you ever seen  Liquorice   Mar-05-08 10:59 PM   #44 
  - wtf... you make it sound like it clears them, yet reading stating there was darkening  seabeyond   Mar-05-08 10:56 PM   #42 
  - It says attack ads are darkened, and that Hillary's face is also darkened  ada chupitos perez   Mar-05-08 11:00 PM   #45 
     - oh bullshit. i want the truth and i am tired of having to work thru words  seabeyond   Mar-05-08 11:04 PM   #48 
  - You Mean, There's A Common Sense Explanation That Any Reasonable And Rational Person Already Knew?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-05-08 11:18 PM   #55 
  - I'm shocked! SHOCKED! myself, that you're buddying up with another tombstoned disruptor.  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:24 PM   #59 
  - I knew it was bogus, and so is the claim that the  laugle   Mar-05-08 11:29 PM   #60 
  - *Kick* for all the HRC supporters to come back in and lavish praise on the OP, their newest hero  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:30 PM   #61 
  - This OP got 19 "recommends" on a very bogus basis. I'd be interested in hearing the justifications  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:39 PM   #62 
  - Since you can't criticize Fatcheck.org's argument, go after the OP!  gustapof   Mar-05-08 11:49 PM   #65 
     - I didn't "go after the OP" - the mods did. And it looks like they got him/her/it...  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:53 PM   #68 
        - You went after him/her too  gustapof   Mar-05-08 11:55 PM   #70 
           - Cry me a river.  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:55 PM   #72 
           - huh? someone got banned over this thread. ??? geez, blink and miss something. n/t  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:03 AM   #83 
              - i wonder if it was over this or something else? No one is being clear about this issue.  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:41 AM   #119 
  - The silence from the Hillary Clinton supporters who slobbered love over this OP is deafening....  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:48 PM   #63 
  - wow, you just posted 4 messeges in a row. Are you that angry?  gustapof   Mar-05-08 11:51 PM   #67 
     - "ada chupitos perez," is that you?  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:54 PM   #69 
     - apocalypsehow, wanna talk about Factcheck.org? n/t  gustapof   Mar-05-08 11:55 PM   #71 
        - Cry me a river.  apocalypsehow   Mar-05-08 11:56 PM   #73 
           - Can you say that 5 or 6 more times?  gustapof   Mar-05-08 11:58 PM   #76 
           - And this *WAS* your thread originally, wasn't it?  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:00 AM   #81 
           - Ah, and now *YOU'RE* gone from our fine forum, too. AGAIN. But you made many HRC supporters happy  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:26 AM   #102 
           - your posts are shameful. As were posters conjuring up hate on this issue!!  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:58 PM   #78 
              - Go ahead and support your tombstoned buddy the OP some more - I'll leave it to DU's legitimate  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:01 AM   #82 
                 - Not my buddy. You are foolish to ASSume that.  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:46 AM   #122 
     - Whoa. All of a sudden the website's "video team" is a "team of video experts"?  jsmirman   Mar-05-08 11:59 PM   #80 
        - Yes, they are video experts, unlike the Daily Kos anonymous diarists and Obama hacks  gustapof   Mar-06-08 12:04 AM   #84 
        - False - your OP here has been proven phony. Why would any legitimate DU member believe you?  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:10 AM   #87 
        - Has Factcheck.org been proven phoney? n/t  Motorolaman   Mar-06-08 12:14 AM   #93 
        - And another disruptor bites the dust...HRC supporters, you must be real proud, huh?  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:19 AM   #99 
        - how exactly was the OP proven "phony"?  jsmirman   Mar-06-08 12:17 AM   #97 
           - Your inability to keep up is not my problem, genius.  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:20 AM   #100 
              - Uh, this is definitely a sign of the need for deep breaths around here  jsmirman   Mar-06-08 12:45 AM   #109 
                 - Peddle it elsewhere - I'm not interested.  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:49 AM   #113 
                    - I'm a poster WHO FAVORS OBAMA (caps, since you're slow on the uptake)  jsmirman   Mar-06-08 12:56 AM   #115 
                       - As I said - peddle it elsewhere. Your special pleading doesn't interest me. Thanks.  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 01:02 AM   #116 
        - Fair point that it's a reputable organization, still not sure  jsmirman   Mar-06-08 12:17 AM   #95 
        - yes it is unclear. we look and see doctoring. do we know  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:11 AM   #90 
  - HA! WRONG! FACT CHECK CAUGHT POSTING DOCTORED FILE! SEE HERE === >  berni_mccoy   Mar-05-08 11:57 PM   #75 
  - You just linked TO YOURSELF?  Hoof Hearted   Mar-06-08 12:10 AM   #88 
     - I linked to a post I made that DEBUNKS this b.s. story the OP posted.  berni_mccoy   Mar-06-08 12:12 AM   #91 
        - bah hahah, to the bah hahahh of the poster that linked to your other post  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:15 AM   #94 
  - Obama supporters take their cues from Obama: lie, lie, lie,  DemBones DemBones   Mar-06-08 12:11 AM   #89 
  - no, we look at a doctored picture and say wtf. we want to know why  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:13 AM   #92 
  - Attack ads are often made darker to give a somber tone  bitingforest   Mar-06-08 12:18 AM   #98 
     - i dont want fact check to guess why hillary darkened obama....  seabeyond   Mar-06-08 12:29 AM   #104 
        - good gawd. anyone trying to reason with you is doomed.!!  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:43 AM   #120 
  - Just keep cuddling up to your buddy the OP - he only seems to be able to answer through sockpuppets  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 12:17 AM   #96 
     - You must enjoy living with so much hate.  emilyg   Mar-06-08 12:50 AM   #114 
        - You must enjoy living with so many disruptor's, misdirected freepers, and outright trolls....  apocalypsehow   Mar-06-08 01:04 AM   #117 
  - Daily Kos diarist applied the "Clinton rules" described by Krugman  springflower   Mar-06-08 12:24 AM   #101 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-06-08 12:28 AM   #103 
  - Thanks for facts.  emilyg   Mar-06-08 12:47 AM   #111 
  - i note facts did not appy to obamafolk who choose to just hate for sake of hating.  rodeodance   Mar-06-08 01:45 AM   #121 
  - I forgot to say. I have thought KOS was full of shit since before '04.  Hoof Hearted   Mar-06-08 02:18 AM   #124 
  - locking  maddezmom   Mar-06-08 06:44 AM   #125 
 

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