ada chupitos perez
(17 posts)
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Wed Mar-05-08 10:50 PM
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| Daiy Kos caught smearing Hillary: Factcheck determines "photo darkening" claims "unsubstantiated" |
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Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM by ada chupitos perez
The independent website "factcheck.org" analyzed claims by the pro-Obama site Daily Kos, that Hillary Clinton's camp had darkened Obama's picture, or video, in order to make him 'blacker", and determined the claims are "unsubstantiated". This will be top news on the internet for a few days: (Translation: The Daily Kos wanted to play the race card yet again.) These are the independent website's conclusions: From the website: Obama supporters on the Internet are agitated over the apparent darkening of Obama's image in a Clinton attack ad.
Our video team took a look. Our conclusions:
* The Obama frames from the ad do appear darker than other video of Obama from the same event.
* However, the YouTube copy of the ad, on which the bloggers base their conclusions, is darker overall than other copies of the ad. We obtained a digital recording of the ad as it actually appeared on a Texas TV station, and it is lighter.
* Furthermore, our analysis of the Obama frames, using Photoshop, shows a fairly uniform darkening of the entire image including the backdrop. It is not just Obama's skin color that's affected.
* Also, nearly all the images in the ad are dark, including those of Hillary Clinton. And dark images are a common technique used in attack ads. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_dar...
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Daiy Kos caught smearing Hillary: Factcheck determines "photo darkening" claims "unsubstantiated" |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 10:50 PM |
#0 |

Thanks |
maddiejoan |
Mar-05-08 10:54 PM |
#1 |
 
And you just KNOW there will be ten threads about the debunking |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-05-08 11:01 PM |
#5 |
  
with 100's of hate filled slime by posters here on DU!! |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:02 AM |
#46 |
 
not only was it darkened, it was widened. |
cryingshame |
Mar-05-08 11:46 PM |
#29 |

Nope |
maddiejoan |
Mar-05-08 11:49 PM |
#31 |

By whoever put it on you-tube. READ the post. Or this one: |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 12:04 AM |
#49 |

Your facts do not agree with you title. |
thunder rising |
Mar-05-08 10:55 PM |
#2 |

Hmmm..... would the You-Tube be the original ad and the one now up |
hedgehog |
Mar-05-08 10:59 PM |
#3 |
 
You usually have much luck stretching one piece of bubblegum to the moon? |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 12:07 AM |
#51 |

Good to know. I didn't believe she or her campaign would do something like that. |
EmilyAnne |
Mar-05-08 11:00 PM |
#4 |

Another day, another spurious charge from the Obama camp punctured |
Tarc |
Mar-05-08 11:02 PM |
#6 |
 
Yeah, right: clink those beer mugs together with your now tombstoned buddy, the trolling OP.... |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:22 AM |
#57 |

hate is not a good thing to live by. |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:56 AM |
#74 |

Neither is buddying up to disruptor trolls - but you go right ahead and keep at it. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:43 AM |
#106 |

what is disrupting about the OP. ?? |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 01:44 AM |
#108 |

He/She/It has been tombstoned, genius. Figure it out for yourself. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:46 AM |
#110 |

hey sweetie--I asked about the OP--not the poster. |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:39 AM |
#118 |

Sorry, I still smell a rat. n/t |
backscatter712 |
Mar-05-08 11:06 PM |
#7 |
 
Get your nose out of your . . . . . |
okasha |
Mar-05-08 11:53 PM |
#37 |

Rupert Murdoch's NY Post ran this Daily Kos non-story/smear today |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 11:07 PM |
#8 |

I didn't need factcheck to tell me how stupid that was. |
Political Heretic |
Mar-05-08 11:09 PM |
#9 |
 
You inspire me to clean out my "buddy" list, which I have been using as a tombstone watch |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 12:17 AM |
#54 |
 
Thank you--good to hear from an obamafolk |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:51 AM |
#66 |

"Clinton ad makers may have darkened the Obama images intentionally, to some degree" |
zulchzulu |
Mar-05-08 11:09 PM |
#10 |
 
"Had the bloggers compared the CMAG version of the ad to the MSNBC version of the debate" |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 01:07 AM |
#85 |

Did they say anything about Hillary's campaign creating the "He's a muslim" e-mail???? |
kwenu |
Mar-05-08 11:10 PM |
#11 |
 
Stay focused or go start your own thread please |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:05 AM |
#50 |

Just goes to show who the real race baiters are. |
joshcryer |
Mar-05-08 11:10 PM |
#12 |

just because the whole picture is darker & not just his skin doesn't mean the intent wasnt' the same |
Magic Rat |
Mar-05-08 11:10 PM |
#13 |
 
Just because... |
Beregond2 |
Mar-05-08 11:14 PM |
#14 |
 
listen to your vile. shameful! |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:47 AM |
#123 |

I'm sorry but I don't think factcheck has some extra sensory powers the rest of us do not. |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-05-08 11:15 PM |
#15 |
 
hmm, let's see. A team of video experts vs. a DU'ers called 'bread and circus' |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 11:17 PM |
#16 |

The "team of video experts" failed to mention the sources were from different video formats |
zulchzulu |
Mar-05-08 11:20 PM |
#18 |

go look for yourself... |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-05-08 11:21 PM |
#19 |

The "widen" is a fucking HOAX |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-05-08 11:38 PM |
#27 |

Again you are asking me to not believe my own eyes...when Obama's image |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-06-08 12:16 AM |
#53 |

Your own eyes see thru the lens of HATE!! your credibility is ZERO |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:48 AM |
#64 |
 
rodeodance. i expect more out of you. nu uh. i dont hate. anyone |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 12:59 AM |
#79 |

this posts are terrible--thread after thread!! and you know that! |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 01:40 AM |
#105 |

no. i know that something is up with the picture. i want to know why |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:43 AM |
#107 |

yes. IF doctored. but to ASSume it came from hill camp even before you |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 01:47 AM |
#112 |

this is what get me. it is visible. you are looking at it and hillary suppporters |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 12:58 AM |
#77 |

"And dark images are a common technique used in attack ads." |
k8conant |
Mar-05-08 11:19 PM |
#17 |

No way! |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Mar-05-08 11:22 PM |
#20 |

The Obama supporters that are jumping on this are fools. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-05-08 11:22 PM |
#21 |

Okay, smartass. Explain this then: |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-05-08 11:24 PM |
#22 |
 
Oh dear lord. |
lizzy |
Mar-05-08 11:32 PM |
#24 |
 
This IS a joke, right?? |
Sparkly |
Mar-05-08 11:54 PM |
#40 |
 
ACKKKKKKK!!!!! GOOD NIGHT PAJAMAS!!!!!! THE HORROR!!!!! THE HORRRRRRRRORRRR!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-06-08 12:22 AM |
#58 |

oooooooooo noooooooes! |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 01:08 AM |
#86 |

Would this be the factcheck.org mentioned here? |
Kelvin Mace |
Mar-05-08 11:30 PM |
#23 |
 
Out of thousands of fact-checks, you cherry-pick counter-criticism that we don't know to be fair |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 11:35 PM |
#26 |
 
Good work. |
Diane R |
Mar-05-08 11:53 PM |
#38 |
 
Yeah, factcheck has had its own issues and it is known. |
mmonk |
Mar-06-08 12:03 AM |
#47 |

THANK YOU for bringing this here. It was effin ridiculous in the first place. |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-05-08 11:34 PM |
#25 |
 
It is the "race war" that has brought Obama to his position as front-runner |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 11:39 PM |
#28 |

Not too long ago the right was throwing accusation of Bill fathering black babies as a way of |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-05-08 11:50 PM |
#33 |

Can you blame anyone for suspecting Hillary of such shenanigans . . . |
InAbLuEsTaTe |
Mar-05-08 11:48 PM |
#30 |
 
They suspected her of Whitewater. They suspected her of Vince Foster |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-05-08 11:50 PM |
#32 |
  
We have eyes. We can see this. |
Mystery2Me |
Mar-05-08 11:52 PM |
#36 |
 
lame --hundreds of slime posters all feeding on HATE--that is what was 'seen"!! |
rodeodance |
Mar-05-08 11:58 PM |
#43 |
 
Yes, I Absolutely Can. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-06-08 12:21 AM |
#56 |

K&R |
DeepModem Mom |
Mar-05-08 11:51 PM |
#34 |

ohh, okay, if they darken the entire ad |
TheWebHead |
Mar-05-08 11:51 PM |
#35 |

In Their Totally Subjective Opinion - They Have No Idea |
JimGinPA |
Mar-05-08 11:54 PM |
#39 |
 
and of course that clears hillary and all of us fools, cause we can clearly see the color |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 12:15 AM |
#52 |

So, they darkened the entire ad for what purpose? |
Lord Helmet |
Mar-05-08 11:56 PM |
#41 |
 
Haven't you ever seen |
Liquorice |
Mar-05-08 11:59 PM |
#44 |

wtf... you make it sound like it clears them, yet reading stating there was darkening |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:56 PM |
#42 |
 
It says attack ads are darkened, and that Hillary's face is also darkened |
ada chupitos perez |
Mar-06-08 12:00 AM |
#45 |

oh bullshit. i want the truth and i am tired of having to work thru words |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 12:04 AM |
#48 |

You Mean, There's A Common Sense Explanation That Any Reasonable And Rational Person Already Knew? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-06-08 12:18 AM |
#55 |
 
I'm shocked! SHOCKED! myself, that you're buddying up with another tombstoned disruptor. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:24 AM |
#59 |

I knew it was bogus, and so is the claim that the |
laugle |
Mar-06-08 12:29 AM |
#60 |

*Kick* for all the HRC supporters to come back in and lavish praise on the OP, their newest hero |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:30 AM |
#61 |

This OP got 19 "recommends" on a very bogus basis. I'd be interested in hearing the justifications |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:39 AM |
#62 |
 
Since you can't criticize Fatcheck.org's argument, go after the OP! |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 12:49 AM |
#65 |

I didn't "go after the OP" - the mods did. And it looks like they got him/her/it... |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:53 AM |
#68 |

You went after him/her too |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 12:55 AM |
#70 |

Cry me a river. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:55 AM |
#72 |

huh? someone got banned over this thread. ??? geez, blink and miss something. n/t |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:03 AM |
#83 |

i wonder if it was over this or something else? No one is being clear about this issue. |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:41 AM |
#119 |

The silence from the Hillary Clinton supporters who slobbered love over this OP is deafening.... |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:48 AM |
#63 |
 
wow, you just posted 4 messeges in a row. Are you that angry? |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 12:51 AM |
#67 |

"ada chupitos perez," is that you? |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:54 AM |
#69 |
 
apocalypsehow, wanna talk about Factcheck.org? n/t |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 12:55 AM |
#71 |

Cry me a river. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 12:56 AM |
#73 |

Can you say that 5 or 6 more times? |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 12:58 AM |
#76 |
 
And this *WAS* your thread originally, wasn't it? |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:00 AM |
#81 |
 
Ah, and now *YOU'RE* gone from our fine forum, too. AGAIN. But you made many HRC supporters happy |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:26 AM |
#102 |

your posts are shameful. As were posters conjuring up hate on this issue!! |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 12:58 AM |
#78 |

Go ahead and support your tombstoned buddy the OP some more - I'll leave it to DU's legitimate |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:01 AM |
#82 |

Not my buddy. You are foolish to ASSume that. |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:46 AM |
#122 |

Whoa. All of a sudden the website's "video team" is a "team of video experts"? |
jsmirman |
Mar-06-08 12:59 AM |
#80 |

Yes, they are video experts, unlike the Daily Kos anonymous diarists and Obama hacks |
gustapof |
Mar-06-08 01:04 AM |
#84 |
 
False - your OP here has been proven phony. Why would any legitimate DU member believe you? |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:10 AM |
#87 |
  
Has Factcheck.org been proven phoney? n/t |
Motorolaman |
Mar-06-08 01:14 AM |
#93 |
   
And another disruptor bites the dust...HRC supporters, you must be real proud, huh? |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:19 AM |
#99 |
  
how exactly was the OP proven "phony"? |
jsmirman |
Mar-06-08 01:17 AM |
#97 |
 
Your inability to keep up is not my problem, genius. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:20 AM |
#100 |
 
Uh, this is definitely a sign of the need for deep breaths around here |
jsmirman |
Mar-06-08 01:45 AM |
#109 |
 
Peddle it elsewhere - I'm not interested. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:49 AM |
#113 |
 
I'm a poster WHO FAVORS OBAMA (caps, since you're slow on the uptake) |
jsmirman |
Mar-06-08 01:56 AM |
#115 |
 
As I said - peddle it elsewhere. Your special pleading doesn't interest me. Thanks. |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 02:02 AM |
#116 |
 
Fair point that it's a reputable organization, still not sure |
jsmirman |
Mar-06-08 01:17 AM |
#95 |

yes it is unclear. we look and see doctoring. do we know |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:11 AM |
#90 |

HA! WRONG! FACT CHECK CAUGHT POSTING DOCTORED FILE! SEE HERE === > |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-06-08 12:57 AM |
#75 |
 
You just linked TO YOURSELF? |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 01:10 AM |
#88 |

I linked to a post I made that DEBUNKS this b.s. story the OP posted. |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-06-08 01:12 AM |
#91 |

bah hahah, to the bah hahahh of the poster that linked to your other post |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:15 AM |
#94 |

Obama supporters take their cues from Obama: lie, lie, lie, |
DemBones DemBones |
Mar-06-08 01:11 AM |
#89 |
 
no, we look at a doctored picture and say wtf. we want to know why |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:13 AM |
#92 |
  
Attack ads are often made darker to give a somber tone |
bitingforest |
Mar-06-08 01:18 AM |
#98 |
 
i dont want fact check to guess why hillary darkened obama.... |
seabeyond |
Mar-06-08 01:29 AM |
#104 |
 
good gawd. anyone trying to reason with you is doomed.!! |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:43 AM |
#120 |
 
Just keep cuddling up to your buddy the OP - he only seems to be able to answer through sockpuppets |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 01:17 AM |
#96 |

You must enjoy living with so much hate. |
emilyg |
Mar-06-08 01:50 AM |
#114 |

You must enjoy living with so many disruptor's, misdirected freepers, and outright trolls.... |
apocalypsehow |
Mar-06-08 02:04 AM |
#117 |

Daily Kos diarist applied the "Clinton rules" described by Krugman |
springflower |
Mar-06-08 01:24 AM |
#101 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-06-08 01:28 AM |
#103 |

Thanks for facts. |
emilyg |
Mar-06-08 01:47 AM |
#111 |
 
i note facts did not appy to obamafolk who choose to just hate for sake of hating. |
rodeodance |
Mar-06-08 02:45 AM |
#121 |

I forgot to say. I have thought KOS was full of shit since before '04. |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-06-08 03:18 AM |
#124 |

locking |
maddezmom |
Mar-06-08 07:44 AM |
#125 |