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Wed Mar-05-08 11:22 AM
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| Ohio: A hollow victory based on a lie. CBC (Canada TV) exonerates Obama on NAFTAgate |
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Get the full story here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/5/112926/0842/300/... According to CBC, all the details were wrong. Canada contacted the campaigns. Michael Wilson was not involved. And, most damning, they are now admitting that the memo at the heart of the controversy "may not accurately reflect what they were told".
In other words, according to CBC, this scandal was manufactured out of whole cloth. Goolsbee said something consistent with Obama's official position - that he wanted protections added, but it wasn't going to be a fundamental change or revocation of NAFTA, and that Obama was not a protectionist. This was morphed somewhat going into the memo, and now the embassy admits they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor". Even after the memo misrepresented Obama, the Harper government took it a step further and then leaked a completely fantastic version of the story to the press, in order to maximize the bloodletting.
In short, Chris Bowers was right. This whole thing is clever maneuvering on the part of the Harper government to bolster McCain by sowing dissent among Democrats.
A lot has been written about this scandal. The sensational misrepresentation of the original CTV story was shocking. But now CBC has cleared the air, with the final note from the embassy that they "may have misrepresented the Obama advisor". In the end, there's nothing to the story but air. It all boiled down to a memo, which was far less dramatic in content than the first story that ran, and now they are even disclaiming the accuracy of the memo.
In short, people have been duped. With the memo disclaimed, there is nothing left to support this story. The Hillary campaign is not implicated here; just the conservative government in Canada trying to help out the Republicans in America. This is just unbelievable and dispiriting. If we can't base our votes on the truth, then what kind of democracy are we living in?
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| -Ohio: A hollow victory based on a lie. CBC (Canada TV) exonerates Obama on NAFTAgate |
beachmom |
Mar-05-08 11:22 AM |
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Conveniently |
Abacus |
Mar-05-08 11:23 AM |
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Yep. I mean if it was true then it was fair game. But it wasn't. Ugh. nt |
beachmom |
Mar-05-08 11:24 AM |
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K&R |
nebula |
Mar-05-08 01:30 PM |
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HILLARY DID IT! PROOF! LINK! |
demdog78 |
Mar-06-08 01:00 AM |
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The article does NOT say Hillary "did it" or that she was involved in the smear |
Hamlette |
Mar-06-08 08:48 AM |
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Seems it was true - and Obama lied - the memo has not be recanted or disclaimed by the writer |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:00 AM |
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beachmom, have you seen this video of Clinton discussing this? |
Emit |
Mar-06-08 09:50 AM |
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Hopefully |
tyne |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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It was an election-eve attempt to discredit Obama. |
Kukesa |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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Our "party" includes everyone except the Clintons! |
samdogmom |
Mar-05-08 11:33 AM |
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That'd be the party of MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE n/t |
ForeignSpectator |
Mar-05-08 03:12 PM |
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This is NOT about the Dems it's about the Canadian government using Canadian government resources to |
thunder rising |
Mar-05-08 09:14 PM |
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It looks to me like Hillary colluded with the Right Wingers in Canada. |
cryingshame |
Mar-05-08 11:37 AM |
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Help me Digg this Story up To get the Word Out ... |
hey560 |
Mar-05-08 12:53 PM |
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This is why when you see a rabid Obamite you know you're not |
acmavm |
Mar-06-08 06:37 AM |
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Actually, the Canadian government is calling this a "leak" |
LVjinx |
Mar-06-08 01:50 AM |
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Hillary and right wingers smearing the progressive with a lie |
workinclasszero |
Mar-06-08 06:26 AM |
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How did the Clinton campaign get hold of the memo? |
tabatha |
Mar-05-08 11:24 AM |
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The same way drudge got her fundraising numbers before her campaign released them? |
redqueen |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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One more time, it looks like Hillary colluded with a foreign, rightwing government |
cryingshame |
Mar-05-08 11:38 AM |
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well, see? THAT requires experience! |
Capn Sunshine |
Mar-05-08 11:39 AM |
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based on what evidence - only evidence is memo proving Obama lied about no meeting |
papau |
Mar-05-08 11:47 AM |
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"what kind of democracy are we living in?" |
redqueen |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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One more f***ing lie from the Clinton Campaign |
Botany |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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but i am told by HRC supporters lie and fear are good politics. n/t |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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Bush supporters think the same thing. So do Moonies. |
blm |
Mar-05-08 11:26 AM |
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yes, you are right. today, the day after, i am seeing so much of bushco |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:28 AM |
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They don't CARE. They invested themselves in their TEAM's NAME. Like Cowboys and Yankees. |
blm |
Mar-05-08 11:36 AM |
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ya well that is another thing that puts HRC supporters and bush supporters as one |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:40 AM |
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This just goes to show you can never believe a word from those maple-syrup-eating bastards |
rockymountaindem |
Mar-05-08 11:25 AM |
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LOL, watch it or we will send our fleet of canoes after you! |
Spazito |
Mar-05-08 11:31 AM |
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Next you're gonna tell me all the soap in the world won't wash off the stickyness |
rockymountaindem |
Mar-05-08 11:39 AM |
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That's the beauty of our "arsenal", it paralyzes our enemies... |
Spazito |
Mar-05-08 11:48 AM |
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Fucking flappy-headed beady eyed bastards! |
JVS |
Mar-05-08 09:05 PM |
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ROFL |
NikolaC |
Mar-06-08 05:43 AM |
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Welcome To Politics. If Obama Couldn't Overcome A Number 3 On A Scale Of 10, That's Reason For |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-05-08 11:26 AM |
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no, it is DIRTY politics. it is LIE. call it what it is. n.t |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:29 AM |
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It Wasn't A Lie. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-05-08 11:45 AM |
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the memo has never been said to be a lie - only lie is Obama denying meeting took place |
papau |
Mar-05-08 11:46 AM |
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Harper lied about the contents of the memo!! D'oh! Now the memo |
beachmom |
Mar-05-08 11:58 AM |
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the writer says it was true |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:01 AM |
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.. |
rateyes |
Mar-06-08 09:40 AM |
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Why don't you just leave this room. |
demdog78 |
Mar-06-08 12:42 AM |
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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY HUGE. THIS WILL BE ALL OVER THE NEWS HERE IN CANADA. |
hey560 |
Mar-05-08 11:26 AM |
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LOL - seems it is not all over the news in Canada - and the memo writer does not say he lied about O |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:02 AM |
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Funny how the truth always comes out after the damage has been done. |
bleowheels |
Mar-05-08 11:26 AM |
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again 2004 election. clinton is feeling more and more like bushco/rove |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:30 AM |
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Obama lied |
amborin |
Mar-05-08 10:51 PM |
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I think you are missing the point here. Go away. |
demdog78 |
Mar-06-08 12:43 AM |
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Shockingly There Has Been No Mention Of This By The M$M |
JimGinPA |
Mar-05-08 11:27 AM |
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Actually, it was mentioned on the M$M the other day |
Breeze54 |
Mar-05-08 01:32 PM |
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Hillary and Bill are part of the conservative movement in America |
burythehatchet |
Mar-05-08 11:27 AM |
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We need more pictures of bill with pappy! |
ClayZ |
Mar-05-08 11:36 AM |
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Yep |
Radical Activist |
Mar-05-08 12:02 PM |
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Reheeeeheeeaaally. n/t |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Mar-05-08 11:28 AM |
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Mission Accomplished for the Clinton Machine. -eom |
Justitia |
Mar-05-08 11:32 AM |
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Mucked by the masters of media manipulation. |
ClayZ |
Mar-05-08 11:35 AM |
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The campaignSSSSSSSSSSS. Plural. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-05-08 11:37 AM |
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Obama - just another politician - NAFTA/Canada = untrustworthy |
GoldieAZ49 |
Mar-05-08 11:38 AM |
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perhaps worse was Obama lying about a meeting taking place for so long |
papau |
Mar-05-08 11:44 AM |
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Perhaps worse was hillary conspiring with canadian repukes. |
demdog78 |
Mar-06-08 12:44 AM |
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Obama needs to hammer media on this |
Bad Thoughts |
Mar-05-08 11:38 AM |
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Hillary's campaign wasn't implicated... |
casus belli |
Mar-05-08 11:39 AM |
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Kos story link doesn't work but no matter - your post is wrong -nothing is "dismissed" |
papau |
Mar-05-08 11:39 AM |
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of course not. swiftboat still demands kerry shot self in foot and bushco supporters |
seabeyond |
Mar-05-08 11:41 AM |
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TV quote below - see if you can find where memo is said to be false |
papau |
Mar-05-08 11:43 AM |
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Fine, if your devotion to your candidate means siding with the conservative gov. in Canada. |
beachmom |
Mar-05-08 11:54 AM |
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That report is severely outdated |
dbmk |
Mar-06-08 05:26 AM |
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It's About As Big a Lie as the Downing Street Memo |
Crisco |
Mar-05-08 11:41 AM |
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two levels of Obama lies here |
amborin |
Mar-05-08 10:56 PM |
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Well, I wonder if MSM might give this 60 seconds of air time, |
Vinca |
Mar-05-08 11:41 AM |
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You know, I'm ashamed to admit that the Hillary supporter |
Alter Ego |
Mar-05-08 11:46 AM |
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It is the media stupid. |
elmerdem |
Mar-05-08 11:46 AM |
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Kick, kickity kick :) |
canadian_is_cold |
Mar-05-08 11:48 AM |
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LINK LINK LINK PLEASE!! |
blocker |
Mar-05-08 11:50 AM |
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links |
canadian_is_cold |
Mar-05-08 11:53 AM |
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Wow |
ekwhite |
Mar-06-08 12:30 AM |
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Link was at the top to the Kos diary. They link to the CBC. nt |
beachmom |
Mar-05-08 12:00 PM |
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More lies from Kos covering Obama's lies... |
joeybee12 |
Mar-05-08 12:04 PM |
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Obama folks are out in full damage control. Spin, spin and more spin. (eom) |
oasis |
Mar-06-08 03:09 AM |
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What Goolsbee said was off the record,which makes me think its |
MojoMojoMojo |
Mar-05-08 12:29 PM |
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If Obama didnt misrepresent himself in other ways ,Id be more inclined to believe |
MojoMojoMojo |
Mar-05-08 12:40 PM |
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So, the Canadian meeting occured, though Obama said it hadn't. |
Marie26 |
Mar-05-08 12:57 PM |
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Wow Thank you for posting this |
karynnj |
Mar-05-08 01:01 PM |
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She lied us into war. Now she's lying herself into the White House. |
cottonseed |
Mar-05-08 01:06 PM |
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Wow! I Thought The Planted Questions, Race Baiting, Muslim Bashing and Fear Mongering Were Bad |
DrFunkenstein |
Mar-05-08 01:18 PM |
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That is why at the Repug Freerepublic they call her HITLERY |
Wayjose |
Mar-05-08 01:21 PM |
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RW Canda is in FULL damage control as was BO yesterday! |
rodeodance |
Mar-05-08 01:24 PM |
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Obama is the candidate of RW Canada and RW US - they fear Hillary |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:03 AM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Mar-05-08 03:23 PM |
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What's up w/ Shrum being ahead of the curve? |
Bread and Circus |
Mar-05-08 03:24 PM |
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Why isn't this on the front page? n/t |
watrwefitinfor |
Mar-05-08 06:38 PM |
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kick |
JI7 |
Mar-05-08 10:36 PM |
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TODAYS NEWS |
canadian_is_cold |
Mar-05-08 10:40 PM |
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Wow. |
catgirl |
Mar-06-08 08:40 AM |
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Hmm... a hollow Hillary victory... |
jgraz |
Mar-05-08 10:43 PM |
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Tangled Friggin' Web |
ProSense |
Mar-05-08 10:46 PM |
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was Canada in damage control mode... fact is: Obama denied the meeting |
amborin |
Mar-05-08 10:47 PM |
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So a sucker is born every minute, and sometimes the sucker is us. |
bhikkhu |
Mar-06-08 01:24 AM |
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So, no fundamental change to NAFTA, no threat of revocation. Obama DID LIE |
Leopolds Ghost |
Mar-06-08 02:57 AM |
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yes, he lied |
amborin |
Mar-06-08 03:51 AM |
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Hardly a lie |
dbmk |
Mar-06-08 05:30 AM |
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afaik saying you would scrap the treaty - as per the memo writer - seems to make O a liar |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:05 AM |
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Come again? |
dbmk |
Mar-06-08 10:59 AM |
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"May have" does not equal exonerated. |
Seabiscuit |
Mar-06-08 03:23 AM |
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It's interesting. This is now the 2nd non-denial denial I've seen. |
LeftCoast |
Mar-06-08 03:51 AM |
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It's strangely enough to pacify the ardent Obamamaniacs, so perhaps that's what the |
Seabiscuit |
Mar-06-08 10:18 AM |
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Ohio: A Fabulous Victory for Hillary based on her Progressive Ideals |
amborin |
Mar-06-08 03:48 AM |
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Harper and Bush are liars, and they do it on purpose |
Truthy Nessy |
Mar-06-08 05:22 AM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Mar-06-08 04:11 AM |
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Cross border interference |
Caradoc |
Mar-06-08 06:02 AM |
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K&R |
democracy1st |
Mar-06-08 06:04 AM |
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Hillary won Ohio fair and square. |
zlt234 |
Mar-06-08 06:04 AM |
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The most unsettling thing about this whole story is that it took on a life of its own |
DeeDeeNY |
Mar-06-08 06:19 AM |
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OBAMA-CLINTON in 2008.... The GOP will die NOT-laughing |
happygoluckytoyou |
Mar-06-08 07:26 AM |
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Kick! n/t |
yellerpup |
Mar-06-08 07:27 AM |
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Ohio: A hollow victory |
canuk1 |
Mar-06-08 08:17 AM |
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Obama should wide up and learn from Nixon's mistakes |
Tarc |
Mar-06-08 08:39 AM |
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Obama admires Reagan's admin over Bill's - so he should also study Nixon's - I agree |
papau |
Mar-06-08 09:06 AM |
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Yeah but wasn't Bill Clinton in Canada the weekend before |
jn2375 |
Mar-06-08 09:47 AM |
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Ya he was here in Toronto n/t |
canadian_is_cold |
Mar-06-08 10:41 AM |
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Why is the Canadian Gvoenrment interfering with American elections? |
TomClash |
Mar-06-08 10:19 AM |
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Harper is a tool |
canadian_is_cold |
Mar-06-08 10:42 AM |
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Gee! |
jeff30997 |
Mar-06-08 11:17 AM |
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Then I guess we'll just have to take those tar sands |
TomClash |
Mar-06-08 09:13 PM |
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I say we invade, or they give us all their bacon. Forever. eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Mar-06-08 10:22 AM |
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This is totally untrue, most of the people I know who are supporting |
madmom |
Mar-06-08 10:24 AM |
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the LIE is always on the front page |
Cheap_Trick |
Mar-06-08 10:57 AM |
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Ohio got used again. |
Zachstar |
Mar-06-08 11:05 AM |
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Canada is damage-control mode--this isn't a tea party it's |
katty |
Mar-06-08 11:19 AM |
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Kick! |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Mar-07-08 01:26 AM |
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one more. |
BringBigDogBack |
Mar-07-08 01:40 AM |
#132 |