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Mon Mar-03-08 11:11 AM
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| 56. Let's focus on what do we want to do next... |
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Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:17 AM by cap
Forget the Hillary/Obama primary. My ideas are:
1. Remove the glass ceiling: Given the large number of boomer women in the ranks, there is no reason why women are not 50-50. They've had their kids... so kids arent an issue
2. End the discriminatory layoffs...
3. Provide mentoring for junior women so that they can identify when they are being tracked into areas that will not lead to promotion/pay increases. It's their choice if they dont want to do this.
4. Encourage women to think of themselves as breadwinners and take on extra responsiblity and pay. I find a lot of women in service related industries will stay as a customer service rep/cashier etc. and not ask for pay.
5. Provide Daddy time and force men to take it. Men should be doing their share of the work of child care and taking care of their own relatives when they grow old. No one should be penalized for doing this. Actually, people who don't take an appropriate amount of time off for their kids should be socially ostracized. This time off should reasonably accomodate parental responsiblities.
5. Identify culturally appropriate ways for women to express strength without turning into an automaton. Identify culturally appropriate ways for women to express power. These should be the same as those for men. Identify culturally appropriate ways of talking about women in power.
6. Identify stereotypical means of denying women access to power in our society.
7. Prepare for women leadership in the community.
This is the intent of my post.... I dont want to hear another word about Hillary/Obama. I want to hear suggestions of what we want as a society.
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| -Hillary being called a "Bitch": Makes me want to get on the next wave of feminism |
cap |
Mar-03-08 07:37 AM |
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Why Is Sexism Accepted In So Called "Polite Circles" But Racism Isn't? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:40 AM |
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Yes we should |
leftofcool |
Mar-03-08 07:46 AM |
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Goddamn Right |
Dinger |
Mar-03-08 09:13 AM |
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Obama supporter here and I do not tolerate |
powergirl |
Mar-03-08 07:43 AM |
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I Still Hear "So Called" Educated People Making Homophobic And Sexist Remarks |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:44 AM |
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thank you. I know Obama would be appalled by the name-calling of some of his fans here on DU! |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 07:49 AM |
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A Mean Woman |
midora |
Mar-03-08 03:03 PM |
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Thanks for bringing the issue up, or not, as the case may be. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:44 AM |
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How Does Losing Her Lead In A Poll Turn Her Into A "Stupid" Or "Fucking Bitch"? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:47 AM |
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You are connecting two disparate things. Try evaluating the one you raised. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:49 AM |
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Yes, there were. |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 07:51 AM |
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Well, good, but the point stands, doesn't it, that the sheer number of |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:52 AM |
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Do you have a graph or something? |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 07:54 AM |
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That can be your project if you want. You have a star. Do your own |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:55 AM |
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It was your claim, not mine. |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 07:58 AM |
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If it's a separate matter, Sparkly, then the OP is mistaken. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:59 AM |
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The OP is about calling Hillary a "bitch" |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 01:03 PM |
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I get the point, but I see that the post was presented in GD-Primaries |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:39 PM |
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This is silly. |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 07:57 PM |
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You think she's going to win the nomination? |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:10 PM |
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I doubt it, but you're changing the subject again. |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 08:14 PM |
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Her being a frontrunner has nothing to do with her candidacy? |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:15 PM |
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"I support Obama but I do not like seeing Hillary trashed. " |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 08:22 PM |
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They may well be what they seem but that doesn't make them thoughtful. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:24 PM |
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A shitty mess indeed. |
0007 |
Mar-03-08 09:17 AM |
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dont want to debate the point... I am just energized to take action |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:22 AM |
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Well, cap, I go elsewhere all the time. I go to the grocery store, the |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:40 PM |
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You shouldn't attribute someone's actions to their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:52 AM |
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But robbing "all of us" of our individuality is what I DO. That's why they |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:53 AM |
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The HillaryHaters will all fade away soon, no matter who gets the nom. |
MethuenProgressive |
Mar-03-08 07:46 AM |
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so true. |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 08:04 AM |
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I don't know about that. That much hate doesn't just vanish overnight. Hate transference is a very |
Beausoir |
Mar-03-08 12:12 PM |
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She has earned the trashing that she gets by her despicable actions |
JVS |
Mar-03-08 07:46 AM |
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the MATURE obamafolk are into vile thrashing nor name-calling!! |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 07:50 AM |
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MY mom watch 60 Min. last night and she call her a bitch |
easy_b94 |
Mar-03-08 07:46 AM |
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I Am Half Jewish |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:49 AM |
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But.... |
tyne |
Mar-03-08 07:50 AM |
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Did They Say Bitch Should Be Prefaced By "Fucking" Or "Stupid"? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:53 AM |
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Why would that |
tyne |
Mar-03-08 07:57 AM |
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That's so missing the point |
Marie26 |
Mar-03-08 08:01 AM |
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My mom is in her 60s and she calls her a bitch too |
I Vote In Pittsburgh |
Mar-03-08 11:13 AM |
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This remark is off topic |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:18 AM |
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No it isn't |
I Vote In Pittsburgh |
Mar-03-08 11:25 AM |
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I did not intend for this thread to be a discussion of whether there is sexism |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:34 AM |
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your mom has a problem |
JoFerret |
Mar-03-08 01:51 PM |
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I don't know how to handle it. |
susanr516 |
Mar-03-08 07:52 AM |
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The sexism, hit what I thought was my last nerve, at the Iowa debate. Then |
Little Star |
Mar-03-08 07:52 AM |
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Who is calling her a B****? |
UALRBSofL |
Mar-03-08 07:52 AM |
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"Name removed", mostly. Our Mods are doing fine work! |
MethuenProgressive |
Mar-03-08 08:06 AM |
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some |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 08:08 AM |
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hillary needs to stop acting like one, then...her "as far as i know" comment re: Obama's religion- |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 07:55 AM |
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That's A Ridiculous Argument |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 07:59 AM |
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it's more than just the one comment- it's her entire demeanor throughout this campaign. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 08:09 AM |
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Your Argument Becomes More Ridiculous |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 08:16 AM |
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i'm not blaming hillary's campaign conduct on her race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation- |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 08:41 AM |
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The First Amendment Only Protects You From The Government |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 09:07 AM |
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they may not have jobs- but they weren't prosecuted for anything involving what they said. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 12:10 PM |
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It Is Not That Simple |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 12:16 PM |
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it is that simple for me...i use the term bitch in reference to both men and women... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 01:47 PM |
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Maybe You Need To Create A New Dictionary And New Definitions |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 01:53 PM |
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not necessary... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 02:25 PM |
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You Can Call A Horse A Plane But That Doesn't Mean It Can Fly |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Mar-03-08 02:38 PM |
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She talks of how the Muslim rumor is a smear job-Did you forget that comment in your hate? |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 08:06 AM |
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Hillary Clinton knows full well what church Barack Obama belongs to. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:16 AM |
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but the "as far as i know" comment basically negated all of that. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-03-08 08:17 AM |
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Agreed. Sen. Clinton forgets, on purpose, that words really do matter. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:18 AM |
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How about reviving the Equal Rights Amendment? |
Sparkly |
Mar-03-08 07:55 AM |
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I'm for it and endorse your idea. It's long overdue, in fact, |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:56 AM |
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hear hear.... |
cap |
Mar-03-08 03:53 PM |
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I am not seeing any "wave" of feminism as a bad wave to get onto, and see |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 08:25 AM |
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You are always going to have a certain amount of that in any campaign. |
totodeinhere |
Mar-03-08 08:25 AM |
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I don't think that Tina Fey meant any harm. n/t |
Kristi1696 |
Mar-03-08 09:10 AM |
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Sexism is candidate Clinton's primary opponent [Philly Inquier} |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 09:16 AM |
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bingo |
printpolitico |
Mar-03-08 09:35 AM |
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There is another group--who take things for granted--the rights many early |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 10:38 AM |
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You have some good ideas but let's not lose them in |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:25 AM |
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No it isn't. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 09:43 AM |
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Sexism has played a role--i do not agree it is primary. |
rodeodance |
Mar-03-08 09:45 AM |
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But sexism, whether nuanced or overt, plays a part in a lot of things. |
Old Crusoe |
Mar-03-08 07:46 PM |
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Be my guest |
0007 |
Mar-03-08 10:20 AM |
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It fucking well pisses me off. |
redqueen |
Mar-03-08 10:40 AM |
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Let's focus on what do we want to do next... |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:11 AM |
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I'm alerting the mods on some of this... |
cap |
Mar-03-08 11:17 AM |
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Do not give the obnoxious fuckers the power to shut your thread down. |
Maddy McCall |
Mar-03-08 03:18 PM |
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Thank you! I'm for Obama, too, but the reflexive sexism against Clinton is appalling |
Bucky |
Mar-03-08 11:31 AM |
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This Saturday is International Women's Day. |
Beacool |
Mar-03-08 11:48 AM |
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The number one issue for women that needs to be addressed is health care/insurance. |
DURHAM D |
Mar-03-08 12:54 PM |
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Your right about health care |
cap |
Mar-03-08 03:55 PM |
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Hillary even seemed to think it was cool to call herself a "bitch".. |
RoadRage |
Mar-03-08 12:56 PM |
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I'm a woman. I've been called bitch. |
Mystery2Me |
Mar-03-08 01:04 PM |
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Good one!! |
Beacool |
Mar-03-08 03:17 PM |
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I'd like her to be a woman. |
Hoof Hearted |
Mar-03-08 04:12 PM |
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Hillary says she's not a bitch and I take her at her word |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-03-08 04:15 PM |
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back to the original post: what are we going to do for the next wave of feminism... |
cap |
Mar-04-08 10:19 AM |
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I'll just call her a rat bastard from now on |
sandnsea |
Mar-03-08 04:15 PM |
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LOL |
jzodda |
Mar-03-08 08:07 PM |
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I never thought I would be on the wave, but since NH, I've been riding the tidal wave. nt |
MassDemm |
Mar-03-08 07:57 PM |
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i am voting obama and i sure will yell about the seism shit too. n/t |
seabeyond |
Mar-03-08 07:58 PM |
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I think she should own the bitch label. I don't mind being called a bitch. That said, sexism sucks. |
krabigirl |
Mar-04-08 10:39 AM |
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i ahd a 15 yr old tell me being called a whore was ok because it just doesnt mean |
seabeyond |
Mar-04-08 10:44 AM |
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It doesn't surprise me that we've ended up with the two most easily demonized Demo candidates. |
Peake |
Mar-04-08 10:54 AM |
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