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56.  Let's focus on what do we want to do next...
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:17 AM by cap
Forget the Hillary/Obama primary.
My ideas are:

1. Remove the glass ceiling: Given the large number of boomer women in the ranks, there is no reason why women are not 50-50. They've had their kids... so kids arent an issue

2. End the discriminatory layoffs...

3. Provide mentoring for junior women so that they can identify when they are being tracked into areas that will not lead to promotion/pay increases. It's their choice if they dont want to do this.

4. Encourage women to think of themselves as breadwinners and take on extra responsiblity and pay. I find a lot of women in service related industries will stay as a customer service rep/cashier etc. and not ask for pay.

5. Provide Daddy time and force men to take it. Men should be doing their share of the work of child care and taking care of their own relatives when they grow old. No one should be penalized for doing this. Actually, people who don't take an appropriate amount of time off for their kids should be socially ostracized. This time off should reasonably accomodate parental responsiblities.

5. Identify culturally appropriate ways for women to express strength without turning into an automaton. Identify culturally appropriate ways for women to express power. These should be the same as those for men. Identify culturally appropriate ways of talking about women in power.

6. Identify stereotypical means of denying women access to power in our society.

7. Prepare for women leadership in the community.

This is the intent of my post.... I dont want to hear another word about Hillary/Obama. I want to hear suggestions of what we want as a society.
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  -Hillary being called a "Bitch": Makes me want to get on the next wave of feminism cap  Mar-03-08 07:37 AM   #0 
  - Why Is Sexism Accepted In So Called "Polite Circles" But Racism Isn't?  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:40 AM   #1 
  - Yes we should  leftofcool   Mar-03-08 07:46 AM   #8 
  - Goddamn Right  Dinger   Mar-03-08 09:13 AM   #47 
  - Obama supporter here and I do not tolerate  powergirl   Mar-03-08 07:43 AM   #2 
  - I Still Hear "So Called" Educated People Making Homophobic And Sexist Remarks  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:44 AM   #4 
  - thank you. I know Obama would be appalled by the name-calling of some of his fans here on DU!  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 07:49 AM   #10 
  - A Mean Woman  midora   Mar-03-08 03:03 PM   #78 
  - Thanks for bringing the issue up, or not, as the case may be.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:44 AM   #3 
  - How Does Losing Her Lead In A Poll Turn Her Into A "Stupid" Or "Fucking Bitch"?  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:47 AM   #9 
     - You are connecting two disparate things. Try evaluating the one you raised.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:49 AM   #11 
        - Yes, there were.  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 07:51 AM   #15 
        - Well, good, but the point stands, doesn't it, that the sheer number of  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:52 AM   #20 
           - Do you have a graph or something?  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 07:54 AM   #23 
           - That can be your project if you want. You have a star. Do your own  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:55 AM   #26 
              - It was your claim, not mine.  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 07:58 AM   #29 
              - If it's a separate matter, Sparkly, then the OP is mistaken.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:59 AM   #30 
                 - The OP is about calling Hillary a "bitch"  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 01:03 PM   #71 
                    - I get the point, but I see that the post was presented in GD-Primaries  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:39 PM   #86 
                       - This is silly.  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 07:57 PM   #89 
                          - You think she's going to win the nomination?  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:10 PM   #93 
                             - I doubt it, but you're changing the subject again.  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 08:14 PM   #94 
                                - Her being a frontrunner has nothing to do with her candidacy?  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:15 PM   #95 
                                   - "I support Obama but I do not like seeing Hillary trashed. "  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 08:22 PM   #96 
                                      - They may well be what they seem but that doesn't make them thoughtful.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:24 PM   #97 
              - A shitty mess indeed.  0007   Mar-03-08 09:17 AM   #49 
           - dont want to debate the point... I am just energized to take action  cap   Mar-03-08 11:22 AM   #60 
              - Well, cap, I go elsewhere all the time. I go to the grocery store, the  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:40 PM   #87 
        - You shouldn't attribute someone's actions to their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation...  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:52 AM   #18 
           - But robbing "all of us" of our individuality is what I DO. That's why they  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:53 AM   #21 
  - The HillaryHaters will all fade away soon, no matter who gets the nom.  MethuenProgressive   Mar-03-08 07:46 AM   #5 
  - so true.  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 08:04 AM   #33 
  - I don't know about that. That much hate doesn't just vanish overnight. Hate transference is a very  Beausoir   Mar-03-08 12:12 PM   #67 
  - She has earned the trashing that she gets by her despicable actions  JVS   Mar-03-08 07:46 AM   #6 
  - the MATURE obamafolk are into vile thrashing nor name-calling!!  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 07:50 AM   #14 
  - MY mom watch 60 Min. last night and she call her a bitch  easy_b94   Mar-03-08 07:46 AM   #7 
  - I Am Half Jewish  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:49 AM   #12 
  - But....  tyne   Mar-03-08 07:50 AM   #13 
  - Did They Say Bitch Should Be Prefaced By "Fucking" Or "Stupid"?  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:53 AM   #22 
  - Why would that  tyne   Mar-03-08 07:57 AM   #28 
  - That's so missing the point  Marie26   Mar-03-08 08:01 AM   #32 
  - My mom is in her 60s and she calls her a bitch too  I Vote In Pittsburgh   Mar-03-08 11:13 AM   #57 
  - This remark is off topic  cap   Mar-03-08 11:18 AM   #59 
  - No it isn't  I Vote In Pittsburgh   Mar-03-08 11:25 AM   #61 
     - I did not intend for this thread to be a discussion of whether there is sexism  cap   Mar-03-08 11:34 AM   #64 
  - your mom has a problem  JoFerret   Mar-03-08 01:51 PM   #74 
  - I don't know how to handle it.  susanr516   Mar-03-08 07:52 AM   #16 
  - The sexism, hit what I thought was my last nerve, at the Iowa debate. Then  Little Star   Mar-03-08 07:52 AM   #17 
  - Who is calling her a B****?  UALRBSofL   Mar-03-08 07:52 AM   #19 
  - "Name removed", mostly. Our Mods are doing fine work!  MethuenProgressive   Mar-03-08 08:06 AM   #34 
  - some  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 08:08 AM   #36 
  - hillary needs to stop acting like one, then...her "as far as i know" comment re: Obama's religion-  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 07:55 AM   #24 
  - That's A Ridiculous Argument  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 07:59 AM   #31 
  - it's more than just the one comment- it's her entire demeanor throughout this campaign.  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 08:09 AM   #37 
     - Your Argument Becomes More Ridiculous  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 08:16 AM   #39 
        - i'm not blaming hillary's campaign conduct on her race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation-  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 08:41 AM   #44 
           - The First Amendment Only Protects You From The Government  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 09:07 AM   #45 
              - they may not have jobs- but they weren't prosecuted for anything involving what they said.  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 12:10 PM   #66 
                 - It Is Not That Simple  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 12:16 PM   #68 
                    - it is that simple for me...i use the term bitch in reference to both men and women...  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 01:47 PM   #73 
                       - Maybe You Need To Create A New Dictionary And New Definitions  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 01:53 PM   #75 
                          - not necessary...  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 02:25 PM   #76 
                             - You Can Call A Horse A Plane But That Doesn't Mean It Can Fly  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 02:38 PM   #77 
  - She talks of how the Muslim rumor is a smear job-Did you forget that comment in your hate?  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 08:06 AM   #35 
     - Hillary Clinton knows full well what church Barack Obama belongs to.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:16 AM   #38 
     - but the "as far as i know" comment basically negated all of that.  QuestionAll   Mar-03-08 08:17 AM   #40 
        - Agreed. Sen. Clinton forgets, on purpose, that words really do matter.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:18 AM   #41 
  - How about reviving the Equal Rights Amendment?  Sparkly   Mar-03-08 07:55 AM   #25 
  - I'm for it and endorse your idea. It's long overdue, in fact,  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:56 AM   #27 
  - hear hear....  cap   Mar-03-08 03:53 PM   #81 
  - I am not seeing any "wave" of feminism as a bad wave to get onto, and see  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 08:25 AM   #42 
  - You are always going to have a certain amount of that in any campaign.  totodeinhere   Mar-03-08 08:25 AM   #43 
  - I don't think that Tina Fey meant any harm. n/t  Kristi1696   Mar-03-08 09:10 AM   #46 
  - Sexism is candidate Clinton's primary opponent [Philly Inquier}  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 09:16 AM   #48 
  - bingo  printpolitico   Mar-03-08 09:35 AM   #50 
  - There is another group--who take things for granted--the rights many early  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 10:38 AM   #54 
  - You have some good ideas but let's not lose them in  cap   Mar-03-08 11:25 AM   #62 
  - No it isn't.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 09:43 AM   #51 
     - Sexism has played a role--i do not agree it is primary.  rodeodance   Mar-03-08 09:45 AM   #52 
        - But sexism, whether nuanced or overt, plays a part in a lot of things.  Old Crusoe   Mar-03-08 07:46 PM   #88 
  - Be my guest  0007   Mar-03-08 10:20 AM   #53 
  - It fucking well pisses me off.  redqueen   Mar-03-08 10:40 AM   #55 
  - Let's focus on what do we want to do next...  cap   Mar-03-08 11:11 AM   #56 
  - I'm alerting the mods on some of this...  cap   Mar-03-08 11:17 AM   #58 
     - Do not give the obnoxious fuckers the power to shut your thread down.  Maddy McCall   Mar-03-08 03:18 PM   #80 
  - Thank you! I'm for Obama, too, but the reflexive sexism against Clinton is appalling  Bucky   Mar-03-08 11:31 AM   #63 
  - This Saturday is International Women's Day.  Beacool   Mar-03-08 11:48 AM   #65 
  - The number one issue for women that needs to be addressed is health care/insurance.  DURHAM D   Mar-03-08 12:54 PM   #69 
  - Your right about health care  cap   Mar-03-08 03:55 PM   #82 
  - Hillary even seemed to think it was cool to call herself a "bitch"..  RoadRage   Mar-03-08 12:56 PM   #70 
  - I'm a woman. I've been called bitch.  Mystery2Me   Mar-03-08 01:04 PM   #72 
  - Good one!!  Beacool   Mar-03-08 03:17 PM   #79 
  - I'd like her to be a woman.  Hoof Hearted   Mar-03-08 04:12 PM   #83 
  - Hillary says she's not a bitch and I take her at her word  BeyondGeography   Mar-03-08 04:15 PM   #84 
  - back to the original post: what are we going to do for the next wave of feminism...  cap   Mar-04-08 10:19 AM   #98 
  - I'll just call her a rat bastard from now on  sandnsea   Mar-03-08 04:15 PM   #85 
  - LOL  jzodda   Mar-03-08 08:07 PM   #92 
  - I never thought I would be on the wave, but since NH, I've been riding the tidal wave. nt  MassDemm   Mar-03-08 07:57 PM   #90 
  - i am voting obama and i sure will yell about the seism shit too. n/t  seabeyond   Mar-03-08 07:58 PM   #91 
  - I think she should own the bitch label. I don't mind being called a bitch. That said, sexism sucks.  krabigirl   Mar-04-08 10:39 AM   #99 
  - i ahd a 15 yr old tell me being called a whore was ok because it just doesnt mean  seabeyond   Mar-04-08 10:44 AM   #100 
  - It doesn't surprise me that we've ended up with the two most easily demonized Demo candidates.  Peake   Mar-04-08 10:54 AM   #101 
 

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