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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:30 AM
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39. You couldn't be more wrong
Graham asked about an NIE, was suprised one had not already been prepared. When an NIE was prepared, Graham was surprised that the classified version had many more caveats than the de-classified version distributed to Senators' offices and Bush rhetoric. Graham , on the floor of the Senate, most emphatically urged Senators to read the classified version of the NIE before casting their IWR votes. It was the greatest warning he could give to fellow Senators that BushCo was lying, without revealing classified information. Only 6 Senators read the classified NIE (from log-in records). All 6 voted against the IWR. Hillary didn't read the classified NIE, and voted for the IWR. Edwards, despite being a co-sponsor of the IWR, also din't read the NIE.
Graham was my senator, and I was exceptionally pleased with his judgement and political courage in voting against the IWR. Voting for war is perhaps the most serious action a senator can take, and I find it inexcusable that so many chose to score political points by backing a war they figured would be swift, successful, and popular, and they didn't even bother to read the classified NIE.
Oh, and Graham was not the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, repugs had taken back the Senate in '02, and Graham was replaced by a repug then.
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  -Obama lied when he said Bob Graham voted against the IWR because he read the NIE, flat out lied. Maribelle  Mar-03-08 06:16 AM   #0 
  - Bob Graham Would Have Made A Fine President  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-03-08 06:18 AM   #1 
  - He says he read it, and he voted against the IWR. I don't see the inconsistency. n/t  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 06:19 AM   #2 
  - You seem to have missed the point...  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:22 AM   #3 
     - Are you sure you're reading that correctly?  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 06:26 AM   #4 
     - You're wrong. Try rereading it. He already knew what was supposed to be in the NIE.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:30 AM   #8 
        - Yeah, or in other words, he had them produce the NIE, he saw that it was unconvincing, and he  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 06:43 AM   #17 
        - Wrong again.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:45 AM   #20 
           - The information in the NIE? n/t  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 06:54 AM   #23 
              - Graham could not have been more clear that his vote against the IWR was outside the NIE  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 07:00 AM   #25 
                 - So it was the unconvincing NIE, bolstered by Tenet's admission that it was biased?  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 07:20 AM   #27 
                    - Nor is it as convoluted as you seem to be claiming ...  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 07:41 AM   #29 
                       - And you claim that the NIE had nothing to do with that? n/t  tasteblind   Mar-03-08 08:10 AM   #32 
        - You couldn't be more wrong  HooptieWagon   Mar-03-08 10:30 AM   #39 
     - This doesn't say anything about why he didn't vote for it  anigbrowl   Mar-03-08 11:31 PM   #45 
  - Pathetic desperation .  bowens43   Mar-03-08 06:27 AM   #5 
  - Listen, Obama is all over the news this morning about this.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:41 AM   #13 
     - There is no real issue: your thread is nonsense.  anigbrowl   Mar-03-08 11:36 PM   #46 
  - Do you have a reading comprehension problem?  zulchzulu   Mar-03-08 06:29 AM   #6 
  - Oh please. If you were truly paying attention, you would know Graham demanded the NIE for Congress  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:34 AM   #10 
  - Desperate this morning? I can't believe you'd post this and say Obama lied.  sparosnare   Mar-03-08 06:29 AM   #7 
  - Wrong. He was able to apply caveat emptor because ....  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:38 AM   #11 
     - Bob Graham read the NIE - how else would he know the CIA omitted important info?  sparosnare   Mar-03-08 06:41 AM   #14 
        - Obama said Graham voted against the IWR because he read the NIE. Graham said otherwise.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:43 AM   #16 
           - That's it - keep going after that imaginary bone. n/t  sparosnare   Mar-03-08 06:44 AM   #19 
           - Obama said in this morning's news: Sen Bob Graham cited the NIE as a reason he voted against the war  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:52 AM   #22 
              - you are completely wrong  HooptieWagon   Mar-03-08 10:42 AM   #41 
           - Graham did not say otherwise. WTF?!  anigbrowl   Mar-03-08 11:37 PM   #47 
  - Didn't he also lie about Rockefeller?  Freida5   Mar-03-08 06:30 AM   #9 
  - You are strigning gnats and swallowing camels.  Perky   Mar-03-08 06:40 AM   #12 
  - I didn't read the NIE and knew before the war that it was a bad idea  rateyes   Mar-03-08 06:42 AM   #15 
  - Good Grief!!  jean627   Mar-03-08 06:43 AM   #18 
  - Wrong. There was not a 'raw version'. You made that up.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 06:48 AM   #21 
     - OMG  jean627   Mar-03-08 09:33 AM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-08 06:55 AM   #24 
  - tens of millions of people around the world knew  madrchsod   Mar-03-08 07:10 AM   #26 
  - The point being, of course, Obama said Graham cited the NIE as a reason he voted against the war  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 07:25 AM   #28 
  - Given that the other Senators knew...  Cassandra   Mar-03-08 07:51 AM   #30 
  - I've found there is another thread on this, to which I will defer.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 07:59 AM   #31 
  - Did you read it? the woman screamed.  seafan   Mar-03-08 08:38 AM   #33 
  - The issue is Graham read it and voted no. Hillary did not read it and voted yes.  theboss   Mar-03-08 08:42 AM   #34 
  - Wrong. Obama lied about Graham merely to bash Hillary.  Maribelle   Mar-03-08 09:15 AM   #36 
     - Then Graham didn't read it?  theboss   Mar-03-08 10:31 AM   #40 
  - The lameness has reached epic proportions. n/t  burythehatchet   Mar-03-08 08:45 AM   #35 
  - HUH? I really don't understand what your point is.  yodermon   Mar-03-08 09:57 AM   #38 
  - OP has a comprehension problem  HooptieWagon   Mar-03-08 10:48 AM   #42 
     - OP utterly discredited. No response or apologies...  elias7   Mar-03-08 11:20 PM   #43 
  - I posted this in response.  madfloridian   Mar-03-08 11:27 PM   #44 
 

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