ElsewheresDaughter
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Sun Mar-02-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #107 |
| 108. ummm Slate.com is a pretty good guess no? |
| -Clinton has won 800k more Democratic votes than Obama, Obama has won white Dems in only 2 states |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:34 PM |
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It's over. Please, just accept reality...denial only makes it that much more difficult. |
GarbagemanLB |
Mar-01-08 05:35 PM |
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Stop talking to yourself |
maddiejoan |
Mar-01-08 05:36 PM |
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there you go again---the big crystal ball has cracks in it you know. |
rodeodance |
Mar-01-08 05:50 PM |
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If she wins the popular vote, Florida votes need to also be counted |
pathansen |
Mar-01-08 06:01 PM |
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All dem voices were not heard in FL and MI |
yourguide |
Mar-01-08 06:34 PM |
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He is winning by playing by the rules. |
faygokid |
Mar-01-08 05:36 PM |
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That is playing by the rules too, isn't it? |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:38 PM |
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Sorry you're bitter. I disagree with you, but the rules for the nomination are known to all. |
faygokid |
Mar-01-08 05:42 PM |
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You can't, like Obama, cherry pick which rules shold be applied |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:43 PM |
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Non sequiter. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-01-08 05:48 PM |
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Which rules am I cherry picking? He is winning the nomination. |
faygokid |
Mar-01-08 05:50 PM |
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"IF" |
rodeodance |
Mar-01-08 05:51 PM |
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Glad you got to see the photo, rodeodance. |
faygokid |
Mar-01-08 05:56 PM |
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Winning by Repubs taking over the Democratic caucuses is not exactly playing by the rules |
pathansen |
Mar-01-08 06:04 PM |
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It's not Obama's fault that half of the republican party |
yourguide |
Mar-01-08 06:37 PM |
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Thanks for the link. |
wlucinda |
Mar-01-08 05:37 PM |
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God damn it, I want a candidate who appeals ONLY to dedicated Dems. |
skipos |
Mar-01-08 05:37 PM |
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we have a winner! |
dwickham |
Mar-01-08 05:41 PM |
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I'm with you! So are Mc Govern and Mondale! |
Capn Sunshine |
Mar-01-08 05:53 PM |
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Good One :) |
bermudat |
Mar-02-08 03:58 PM |
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Using exit poll data again? |
anonymous171 |
Mar-01-08 05:37 PM |
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On paper. In reality 90% of "independents" consistently vote for one party |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:39 PM |
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Maybe they vote repub because no democrat has ever reached out to them. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-01-08 05:40 PM |
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Dems have tried to reach out to rethugs and vice versa forever |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:43 PM |
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Did Bill Clinton move the party more rightward? |
anonymous171 |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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So..... |
Hepburn |
Mar-01-08 06:37 PM |
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So, if only Democrats vote for the Democratic nominee in November |
Debi |
Mar-01-08 05:37 PM |
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Too bad the general election is an open election n/t |
TAWS |
Mar-01-08 05:37 PM |
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The numbers are hardly perfect. They rely on CNN and MSNBC exit polls, which are inherently rough. |
Happyhippychick |
Mar-01-08 05:38 PM |
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A reach based on what? |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:40 PM |
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Not more votes in total though |
panader0 |
Mar-01-08 05:39 PM |
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The number of Independents has grown a lot since 2006... |
bvar22 |
Mar-01-08 10:52 PM |
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the flaws in your argument |
dwickham |
Mar-01-08 05:40 PM |
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So let's nominate Lieberman then. He ran on the same, won the rethug vote, indie vote |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:41 PM |
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the people spoke on Lieberman |
dwickham |
Mar-01-08 06:44 PM |
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How do you figure that those are flaws in jackson_dem's argument? |
mtnsnake |
Mar-01-08 05:46 PM |
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So we are back to using exit polls as opposed to real votes? |
Yael |
Mar-01-08 05:41 PM |
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What percentage of self identified Democrats are NOT voting |
lapfog_1 |
Mar-01-08 05:42 PM |
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now why did ya have to go and give the Obama peeeps such a big wedgie |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-01-08 05:42 PM |
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WOW -- this Division in the Party is becoming Serious -- Hillary Must Go already...can't wait |
quantass |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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We heal the party by nominating the guy who is losing Democratic votes? |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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He's not losing Dem votes, he's building the total Dem pool |
bigbrother05 |
Mar-01-08 07:27 PM |
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I can live without the bold, thank you very much. |
Hailtothechimp |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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Could You Be Any More Petty? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-01-08 06:50 PM |
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Hillary Hasn't Won a Single Caucus State |
From The Left |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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Caucus states don't count - except for Nevada where Clinton did win n/t |
Debi |
Mar-01-08 05:46 PM |
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Nevada, despite fighting the rethugs and "independents" voting heavily for Obama |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:46 PM |
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Exit polls show BO wins 18-29 yr old white votes in several states. See DU thread below |
jody |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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Ummmm |
NEDem |
Mar-01-08 05:44 PM |
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How many of those votes were from rethugs and indies? |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:50 PM |
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It was closed caucus |
NEDem |
Mar-01-08 06:19 PM |
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So Hillary will save us from Indies and Republicans?? nt |
polichick |
Mar-01-08 05:45 PM |
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Yes, we ONLY want Democrats to vote for the Democrat in November |
Debi |
Mar-01-08 05:47 PM |
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Oh, I get it... |
polichick |
Mar-01-08 05:53 PM |
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If they are not Democrats THEY MUST NOT VOTE! |
Debi |
Mar-01-08 05:55 PM |
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You either don't get it or you're in denial. There is no evidence that the people voting for |
HopeLives |
Mar-02-08 03:10 PM |
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Obama has won the white vote in only two states? |
tyne |
Mar-01-08 05:49 PM |
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heh, they don't count n/t |
Debi |
Mar-01-08 05:56 PM |
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My husband and I are both unaffiliated |
shraby |
Mar-01-08 05:47 PM |
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Exactly and there are many "independents" who consistently vote rethug |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 05:51 PM |
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I want the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC |
Hepburn |
Mar-01-08 06:40 PM |
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The poll... |
Demagitator |
Mar-01-08 05:48 PM |
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I hope Hillary's campaign manager has hold of this |
mtnsnake |
Mar-01-08 05:48 PM |
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Those figures are meaningless. |
totodeinhere |
Mar-01-08 06:25 PM |
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Because, as we all know, non-white voters don't count. |
chascarrillo |
Mar-01-08 05:49 PM |
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Shame on you!! for saying such a thing! |
rodeodance |
Mar-01-08 05:52 PM |
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It was the original poster's argument: That non-white voters count less than white voters. |
chascarrillo |
Mar-01-08 05:56 PM |
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Lame smear but typical for a cultist |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:00 PM |
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I'd like to see how many Dems have got elected to the wH without the black vote |
anigbrowl |
Mar-01-08 06:20 PM |
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You are thinking naive and not looking fact based |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:50 PM |
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And the Dem voters don't usually go to a Dem candidate in a close election? |
bigbrother05 |
Mar-01-08 07:38 PM |
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you shouldnt include michigan and FL |
yourguide |
Mar-01-08 05:53 PM |
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Did they vote for fun? They made their voices heard. Will we listen? |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:01 PM |
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Not EVERYONE made their voices heard |
yourguide |
Mar-01-08 06:15 PM |
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1980, Reagan Democrats. 2008, Obama Republicans. |
NorthernSpy |
Mar-01-08 05:53 PM |
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Last time I checked we knew back in early 2007 that independents were going to be able to vote |
NJSecularist |
Mar-01-08 05:55 PM |
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So now you want to limit votes to those made by registered Democrats?? |
bowens43 |
Mar-01-08 06:01 PM |
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In the age of -- strategic voting... |
Demagitator |
Mar-01-08 06:06 PM |
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well if only democrats could vote in the GE that would mean something |
TheWebHead |
Mar-01-08 06:09 PM |
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I don't think the OP realizes this reflects more poorly on Hillary than it does on Obama. |
jefferson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:25 PM |
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He would be more electable if the general election were in March |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:34 PM |
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Your point is that Obama has more support from Independents and cross-overs than does Hillary. |
jefferson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:41 PM |
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Yes, as of March 1 |
jackson_dem |
Mar-01-08 06:45 PM |
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If you think about this logically for a minute... |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-01-08 06:33 PM |
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This would put Obama on shaky ground indeed |
DemGa |
Mar-01-08 06:37 PM |
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And she STILL only leads by 51.68% |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-01-08 06:40 PM |
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Thanks for making my case the Obama is the better gen elec. candidate. |
GOPBasher |
Mar-01-08 06:40 PM |
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Exactly. |
Hepburn |
Mar-01-08 06:44 PM |
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52% is NOT impressive |
New Dawn |
Mar-01-08 06:48 PM |
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Ruh roh. |
RememberWellstone |
Mar-01-08 06:53 PM |
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Thankyou for your ageist post. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-01-08 07:39 PM |
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this proves what I've thought all along, he is being propped up by indies and repukes that will NOT |
Omega3 |
Mar-01-08 06:57 PM |
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Again, |
ContinentalOp |
Mar-01-08 08:02 PM |
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I repeatedly in my post stated that the republicans were |
surfermaw |
Mar-01-08 07:11 PM |
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Another reason he's a much better general election candidate than she is. |
Oregonian |
Mar-01-08 08:11 PM |
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so now not only do independents not count but other races don't count! |
LordJFT |
Mar-01-08 08:35 PM |
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Ummm...you forgot Maine - Obama won the "white vote" up here - handily |
jpak |
Mar-01-08 08:40 PM |
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History lesson on cross over voters |
Omaha Steve |
Mar-01-08 11:23 PM |
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Clinton has won more white males wearing baby blue socks...Obama won those only in 1 state. |
indie_ana_500 |
Mar-01-08 11:26 PM |
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Hillary doesn't use this argument because she's not an idiot |
maximusveritas |
Mar-01-08 11:29 PM |
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You are right....No obamabot can find fault with this.... |
BenDavid |
Mar-02-08 12:21 AM |
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if they lived in the real world |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-02-08 04:01 PM |
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WTF does "White voters" have to do with anything? Does being white make you a more valuable voter? |
cindyw |
Mar-02-08 12:25 AM |
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"...well-known that Barack Obama’s success has depended largely on independent & Republican voters." |
zulchzulu |
Mar-02-08 12:29 AM |
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Are white votes worth more? |
nomad1776 |
Mar-02-08 02:45 PM |
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oops there it is...you Obama peeps always do it |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-02-08 03:59 PM |
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Really???? Who brought up "white voters"?????? |
nomad1776 |
Mar-02-08 04:54 PM |
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ummm Slate.com is a pretty good guess no? |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-02-08 05:14 PM |
#108 |
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Still a wrong guess |
nomad1776 |
Mar-02-08 07:10 PM |
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Independents don't matter? |
catgirl |
Mar-02-08 03:12 PM |
#102 |
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Can you not think of a way to make your argument... |
long_green |
Mar-02-08 04:07 PM |
#106 |
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