You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #39: Because, as we all know, non-white voters don't count. [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:49 PM
Response to Original message
39. Because, as we all know, non-white voters don't count.
Go away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
  -Clinton has won 800k more Democratic votes than Obama, Obama has won white Dems in only 2 states jackson_dem  Mar-01-08 05:34 PM   #0 
  - It's over. Please, just accept reality...denial only makes it that much more difficult.  GarbagemanLB   Mar-01-08 05:35 PM   #1 
  - Stop talking to yourself  maddiejoan   Mar-01-08 05:36 PM   #2 
  - there you go again---the big crystal ball has cracks in it you know.  rodeodance   Mar-01-08 05:50 PM   #41 
  - If she wins the popular vote, Florida votes need to also be counted  pathansen   Mar-01-08 06:01 PM   #58 
     - All dem voices were not heard in FL and MI  yourguide   Mar-01-08 06:34 PM   #69 
  - He is winning by playing by the rules.  faygokid   Mar-01-08 05:36 PM   #3 
  - That is playing by the rules too, isn't it?  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:38 PM   #8 
  - Sorry you're bitter. I disagree with you, but the rules for the nomination are known to all.  faygokid   Mar-01-08 05:42 PM   #19 
     - You can't, like Obama, cherry pick which rules shold be applied  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:43 PM   #22 
        - Non sequiter.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-01-08 05:48 PM   #38 
        - Which rules am I cherry picking? He is winning the nomination.  faygokid   Mar-01-08 05:50 PM   #42 
           - "IF"  rodeodance   Mar-01-08 05:51 PM   #45 
              - Glad you got to see the photo, rodeodance.  faygokid   Mar-01-08 05:56 PM   # 
  - Winning by Repubs taking over the Democratic caucuses is not exactly playing by the rules  pathansen   Mar-01-08 06:04 PM   #59 
     - It's not Obama's fault that half of the republican party  yourguide   Mar-01-08 06:37 PM   #71 
  - Thanks for the link.  wlucinda   Mar-01-08 05:37 PM   # 
  - God damn it, I want a candidate who appeals ONLY to dedicated Dems.  skipos   Mar-01-08 05:37 PM   #4 
  - we have a winner!  dwickham   Mar-01-08 05:41 PM   #16 
  - I'm with you! So are Mc Govern and Mondale!  Capn Sunshine   Mar-01-08 05:53 PM   #48 
  - Good One :)  bermudat   Mar-02-08 03:58 PM   #103 
  - Using exit poll data again?  anonymous171   Mar-01-08 05:37 PM   #5 
  - On paper. In reality 90% of "independents" consistently vote for one party  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:39 PM   #10 
     - Maybe they vote repub because no democrat has ever reached out to them.  anonymous171   Mar-01-08 05:40 PM   #14 
     - Dems have tried to reach out to rethugs and vice versa forever  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:43 PM   #21 
        - Did Bill Clinton move the party more rightward?  anonymous171   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #24 
     - So.....  Hepburn   Mar-01-08 06:37 PM   #70 
  - So, if only Democrats vote for the Democratic nominee in November  Debi   Mar-01-08 05:37 PM   #6 
  - Too bad the general election is an open election n/t  TAWS   Mar-01-08 05:37 PM   #7 
  - The numbers are hardly perfect. They rely on CNN and MSNBC exit polls, which are inherently rough.  Happyhippychick   Mar-01-08 05:38 PM   #9 
  - A reach based on what?  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:40 PM   #12 
  - Not more votes in total though  panader0   Mar-01-08 05:39 PM   #11 
  - The number of Independents has grown a lot since 2006...  bvar22   Mar-01-08 10:52 PM   #93 
  - the flaws in your argument  dwickham   Mar-01-08 05:40 PM   #13 
  - So let's nominate Lieberman then. He ran on the same, won the rethug vote, indie vote  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:41 PM   #17 
  - the people spoke on Lieberman  dwickham   Mar-01-08 06:44 PM   #77 
  - How do you figure that those are flaws in jackson_dem's argument?  mtnsnake   Mar-01-08 05:46 PM   #33 
  - So we are back to using exit polls as opposed to real votes?  Yael   Mar-01-08 05:41 PM   #15 
  - What percentage of self identified Democrats are NOT voting  lapfog_1   Mar-01-08 05:42 PM   #18 
  - now why did ya have to go and give the Obama peeeps such a big wedgie  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-01-08 05:42 PM   #20 
  - WOW -- this Division in the Party is becoming Serious -- Hillary Must Go already...can't wait  quantass   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #23 
  - We heal the party by nominating the guy who is losing Democratic votes?  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #27 
     - He's not losing Dem votes, he's building the total Dem pool  bigbrother05   Mar-01-08 07:27 PM   #86 
  - I can live without the bold, thank you very much.  Hailtothechimp   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #25 
  - Could You Be Any More Petty?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Mar-01-08 06:50 PM   #82 
  - Hillary Hasn't Won a Single Caucus State  From The Left   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #26 
  - Caucus states don't count - except for Nevada where Clinton did win n/t  Debi   Mar-01-08 05:46 PM   #31 
  - Nevada, despite fighting the rethugs and "independents" voting heavily for Obama  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:46 PM   #32 
  - Exit polls show BO wins 18-29 yr old white votes in several states. See DU thread below  jody   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #28 
  - Ummmm  NEDem   Mar-01-08 05:44 PM   #29 
  - How many of those votes were from rethugs and indies?  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:50 PM   #43 
     - It was closed caucus  NEDem   Mar-01-08 06:19 PM   #63 
  - So Hillary will save us from Indies and Republicans?? nt  polichick   Mar-01-08 05:45 PM   #30 
  - Yes, we ONLY want Democrats to vote for the Democrat in November  Debi   Mar-01-08 05:47 PM   #35 
  - Oh, I get it...  polichick   Mar-01-08 05:53 PM   #49 
  - If they are not Democrats THEY MUST NOT VOTE!  Debi   Mar-01-08 05:55 PM   #51 
  - You either don't get it or you're in denial. There is no evidence that the people voting for  HopeLives   Mar-02-08 03:10 PM   #101 
  - Obama has won the white vote in only two states?  tyne   Mar-01-08 05:49 PM   #40 
     - heh, they don't count n/t  Debi   Mar-01-08 05:56 PM   #53 
  - My husband and I are both unaffiliated  shraby   Mar-01-08 05:47 PM   #34 
  - Exactly and there are many "independents" who consistently vote rethug  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 05:51 PM   #44 
     - I want the AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC  Hepburn   Mar-01-08 06:40 PM   #75 
  - The poll...  Demagitator   Mar-01-08 05:48 PM   #36 
  - I hope Hillary's campaign manager has hold of this  mtnsnake   Mar-01-08 05:48 PM   #37 
  - Those figures are meaningless.  totodeinhere   Mar-01-08 06:25 PM   #66 
  - Because, as we all know, non-white voters don't count.  chascarrillo   Mar-01-08 05:49 PM   #39 
  - Shame on you!! for saying such a thing!  rodeodance   Mar-01-08 05:52 PM   #46 
     - It was the original poster's argument: That non-white voters count less than white voters.  chascarrillo   Mar-01-08 05:56 PM   #54 
        - Lame smear but typical for a cultist  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:00 PM   #55 
           - I'd like to see how many Dems have got elected to the wH without the black vote  anigbrowl   Mar-01-08 06:20 PM   #64 
              - You are thinking naive and not looking fact based  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:50 PM   #81 
                 - And the Dem voters don't usually go to a Dem candidate in a close election?  bigbrother05   Mar-01-08 07:38 PM   #87 
  - you shouldnt include michigan and FL  yourguide   Mar-01-08 05:53 PM   #47 
  - Did they vote for fun? They made their voices heard. Will we listen?  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:01 PM   #56 
     - Not EVERYONE made their voices heard  yourguide   Mar-01-08 06:15 PM   #62 
  - 1980, Reagan Democrats. 2008, Obama Republicans.  NorthernSpy   Mar-01-08 05:53 PM   #50 
  - Last time I checked we knew back in early 2007 that independents were going to be able to vote  NJSecularist   Mar-01-08 05:55 PM   #52 
  - So now you want to limit votes to those made by registered Democrats??  bowens43   Mar-01-08 06:01 PM   #57 
  - In the age of -- strategic voting...  Demagitator   Mar-01-08 06:06 PM   #60 
  - well if only democrats could vote in the GE that would mean something  TheWebHead   Mar-01-08 06:09 PM   #61 
  - I don't think the OP realizes this reflects more poorly on Hillary than it does on Obama.  jefferson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:25 PM   #65 
     - He would be more electable if the general election were in March  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:34 PM   #68 
        - Your point is that Obama has more support from Independents and cross-overs than does Hillary.  jefferson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:41 PM   #76 
           - Yes, as of March 1  jackson_dem   Mar-01-08 06:45 PM   #79 
  - If you think about this logically for a minute...  ContinentalOp   Mar-01-08 06:33 PM   #67 
  - This would put Obama on shaky ground indeed  DemGa   Mar-01-08 06:37 PM   #72 
  - And she STILL only leads by 51.68%  ContinentalOp   Mar-01-08 06:40 PM   #73 
  - Thanks for making my case the Obama is the better gen elec. candidate.  GOPBasher   Mar-01-08 06:40 PM   #74 
  - Exactly.  Hepburn   Mar-01-08 06:44 PM   #78 
  - 52% is NOT impressive  New Dawn   Mar-01-08 06:48 PM   #80 
  - Ruh roh.  RememberWellstone   Mar-01-08 06:53 PM   #83 
  - Thankyou for your ageist post.  anonymous171   Mar-01-08 07:39 PM   #88 
  - this proves what I've thought all along, he is being propped up by indies and repukes that will NOT  Omega3   Mar-01-08 06:57 PM   #84 
  - Again,  ContinentalOp   Mar-01-08 08:02 PM   #89 
  - I repeatedly in my post stated that the republicans were  surfermaw   Mar-01-08 07:11 PM   #85 
  - Another reason he's a much better general election candidate than she is.  Oregonian   Mar-01-08 08:11 PM   #90 
  - so now not only do independents not count but other races don't count!  LordJFT   Mar-01-08 08:35 PM   #91 
  - forgot Maine - Obama won the "white vote" up here - handily  jpak   Mar-01-08 08:40 PM   #92 
  - History lesson on cross over voters  Omaha Steve   Mar-01-08 11:23 PM   #94 
  - Clinton has won more white males wearing baby blue socks...Obama won those only in 1 state.  indie_ana_500   Mar-01-08 11:26 PM   #95 
  - Hillary doesn't use this argument because she's not an idiot  maximusveritas   Mar-01-08 11:29 PM   #96 
  - You are right....No obamabot can find fault with this....  BenDavid   Mar-02-08 12:21 AM   #97 
  - if they lived in the real world  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-02-08 04:01 PM   #105 
  - WTF does "White voters" have to do with anything? Does being white make you a more valuable voter?  cindyw   Mar-02-08 12:25 AM   #98 
  - "...well-known that Barack Obamas success has depended largely on independent & Republican voters."  zulchzulu   Mar-02-08 12:29 AM   #99 
  - Are white votes worth more?  nomad1776   Mar-02-08 02:45 PM   #100 
  - oops there it Obama peeps always do it  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-02-08 03:59 PM   #104 
     - Really???? Who brought up "white voters"??????  nomad1776   Mar-02-08 04:54 PM   #107 
        - ummm is a pretty good guess no?  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-02-08 05:14 PM   #108 
           - Still a wrong guess  nomad1776   Mar-02-08 07:10 PM   #109 
  - Independents don't matter?  catgirl   Mar-02-08 03:12 PM   #102 
  - Can you not think of a way to make your argument...  long_green   Mar-02-08 04:07 PM   #106 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC