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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:10 AM
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All this talk of debates got me thinking back to the Presidential Debates of 2004...
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<<Warning: Political Nostalgia Alert>>

You know, it took me a long time to warm up to John Kerry, but I remember watching him in those debates and feeling a sense of pride suddenly bursting forth inside me. Kerry was outstanding. The former prosecutor in him came out and demolished Bush. Relentlessly. Issue after issue, he took Bush apart and made W look like the buffoon he is, sputtering "You fergot PO-land!" and mumbling on about rumors on "the internets". So many good memories.

I've been enjoying these debates between Obama and Hillary, but no matter which of them ultimately debates McCain, I don't expect the kind of fireworks I felt in 2004. Kerry lost that year not due to any defect in his performance, but due to a defect in the American people. They preferred war over peace that year, ignorance over knowledge, fear over wisdom. And that's what they got. Unfortunately, that's what the rest of us who didn't vote for Bush got, too. It's what the whole world got.

John Kerry wasn't always the best campaigner, or the best speechmaker, but he shined over those 3 debates in 2004, and gave me hope in a way that still lingers on, even now. Tonight, I just sorta missed him. He would've made a great president.
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  -All this talk of debates got me thinking back to the Presidential Debates of 2004... calmblueocean  Feb-27-08 01:10 AM   #0 
  - One thing's for sure...  FlyingSquirrel   Feb-27-08 01:14 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, the debates don't really determine the winner anymore  calmblueocean   Feb-27-08 01:28 AM   #5 
  - Kerry made huge gains after the debates so they do matter  JI7   Feb-27-08 01:32 AM   #6 
  - The media giveth, and the media taketh away...  FlyingSquirrel   Feb-27-08 01:32 AM   #7 
  - They DO matter - had Kerry done poorly at ALL, corpmedia would've blistered him  blm   Feb-27-08 09:24 AM   #9 
  - No one since maybe JFK is close to Obama in the magic of his campaign,  karynnj   Feb-27-08 10:51 AM   #13 
  - He opened us up to what could be  sandnsea   Feb-27-08 01:21 AM   #2 
  - it was a turning point in people seeing that what the media had presented  JI7   Feb-27-08 01:38 AM   #8 
  - Bush's handlers had so little faith in his ability to debate Kerry  LibDemAlways   Feb-27-08 01:22 AM   #3 
  - yeah there is that one tape I saw where he is actually talking  grantcart   Feb-27-08 01:26 AM   #4 
  - If a Dem pulled a stunt like that they'd be run out of DC - period.  blm   Feb-27-08 12:24 PM   #17 
     - Meanwhile Rove could have rigged up the chimp  LibDemAlways   Feb-27-08 01:13 PM   #18 
  - John Kerry definitely grew on me during the debates  democrattotheend   Feb-27-08 09:33 AM   #10 
  - Anyone watching those debates saw a vast gulf between Kerry and Bush, though.  calmblueocean   Feb-27-08 10:02 AM   #11 
  - "national Stockholm syndrome".. perfect descriptor! Thanks n/t  MBS   Feb-27-08 02:56 PM   #21 
  - Kerry's mistakes were extremely minor compared to all of Bush's  karynnj   Feb-27-08 11:11 AM   #14 
  - ... what you said  MBS   Feb-27-08 10:05 AM   #12 
  - Kerry is personally the best debater I have ever heard  NJSecularist   Feb-27-08 11:41 AM   #15 
  - It was like the SNL Mike Dukakis skit "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy"  Steve-O   Feb-27-08 11:42 AM   #16 
  - Kerry is a terrific debater  WesDem   Feb-27-08 01:22 PM   #19 
  - "It took me hearing him in person to realize just how good a speaker he is"  WildEyedLiberal   Feb-27-08 03:43 PM   #22 
  - K&R  politicasista   Feb-27-08 01:42 PM   #20 
  - You're absolutely correct! Nothing compares to the hope in 04 that Kerry gave us.  ray of light   Feb-27-08 09:40 PM   #23 
  - Corpmedia will be seen as complicit soon - Rather's lawsuit will bring some of it  blm   Feb-28-08 10:05 AM   #27 
  - John Kerry WON. What he did with the victory - other stories. GE debates - stellar!  robbedvoter   Feb-27-08 09:45 PM   #24 
  - I agree wholeheartedly. I was watching the debates and thinking the same thing myself.  wisteria   Feb-27-08 09:53 PM   #25 
  - I don't think John Kerry lost.  Laelth   Feb-28-08 07:17 AM   #26 
 

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