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158. Hillary lost the debate
The reviews are in: Obama scores higher, "Won," "Quick on his feet," "Well prepared and focused," "Excellent command"

TIME (Joe Klein): He won. He not only won by not losing, but he also won on points--and on demeanor, and on quickness LINK

Time (Jay Carney): Hillary Clinton missed some opportunities tonight. Her complaint at the beginning about the format of the debate seemed to fall flat. LINK

TIME (Mark Halperin) Obama: B+, Clinton: B- Avoided lofty rhetoric and focused on presenting himself as cool, deliberative, and substantive. Well prepared and focused. LINK (On Clinton: Her conviction that the media is biased against her seemed to throw her off throughout, and she was too distracted by her frustration with Obama and the press to truly shine.)

NBC (Mark Murray): Obama has an excellent command of his plan and his defense. LINK

MSNBC (David Gregory): What you see time and time again with Barack Obama is a coolness about him. He absorbs a particular attack or a question or a pointed statement and tries to maybe acknowledge the point and then turn it around.

Washington Post (Chris Cillizza) Obama successfully parried most of Clinton's offense and even turned some of her aggressiveness against her. LINK

Politico (Ben Smith) Back to the war: it's always been Obama's trump card, and he returns to it tonight LINK

AMERICAblog (Joe Sudbay): Obama was steady on a broad range of issues In my view, the win goes to Obama. A clean win. LINK

The New Republic (Michael Crowley): Obama is quick on his feet and good humored. He also conveys a certain bemused remove from the bizarre conventions of traditional insider politics LINK

ABC (Rick Klein): Notice that Obama is the first to try to turn the argument to Sen. McCain -- their battle has already begun, if tentatively, and Obama welcomes it. LINK

Who do you think won the debate?

Hillary Clinton 10% 1431 votes
Barack Obama 89% 12059 votes

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  -Hillary came across as a fighter, Obama barely had a pulse all night Herman Munster  Feb-26-08 10:14 PM   #0 
  - She failed to get KO..nothing changed.  NDambi   Feb-26-08 10:14 PM   #1 
  - Agreed. Both landed punches...but no major change. But yeah..Barack...  sfam   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #14 
     - I think Obama is uncomfortable debating Hillary because he  lumpy   Feb-26-08 10:44 PM   #55 
        - I think he knows that he just needs to sit back and watch her destroy herself.  ContinentalOp   Feb-26-08 11:32 PM   #84 
           - Agreed. He comes across as pretty damn Presidential, to me ...  krkaufman   Feb-26-08 11:53 PM   #90 
              - It portrays itself as SMUGNESS.  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 08:43 AM   #146 
                 - Nonsense. n/t  stevietheman   Feb-27-08 08:48 AM   #149 
                 - nonsensical response. game done.  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 09:09 AM   #155 
                    - "game done"? n/t  krkaufman   Feb-27-08 03:52 PM   #161 
                 - Or you're one who interprets it that way. As is your right. n/t  krkaufman   Feb-27-08 03:51 PM   #160 
  - Okey doke.  chascarrillo   Feb-26-08 10:14 PM   #2 
  - And they call Obama supporters delusional!  FrenchieCat   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #3 
  - Your delusions have nothing to do with you being an Obama supporter  Lirwin2   Feb-27-08 02:30 AM   #110 
  - Okey doke.  elixir   Feb-27-08 08:52 AM   #152 
  - no more delusional than those of us..."Neo-Gore"....He's the One..supporters...  KoKo01   Feb-27-08 07:26 PM   #163 
  - We'll find out next week - I disagree with you but could be wrong  stahbrett   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #4 
  - I didn't see that, but ok.  adoraz   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #5 
  - She needed a gaffe. She didn't get one.  Yael   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #6 
  - Maybe not a "gaffe" but his debate style leaves much to be desired. Even Tweety and KO, who  elixir   Feb-27-08 08:54 AM   #153 
     - Was Obama even  CatnHat   Feb-27-08 11:01 PM   #164 
     - Hillary is a good teacher---by 2012 Obama will be ready for the WH  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 11:06 PM   #165 
  - Seems to me that the PARTY is a bit sick of her.  Bicoastal   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #7 
  - I think she came across more as an attacker, rather than a fighter.  gateley   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   # 
  - Obama makes me snore  lumpy   Feb-26-08 10:45 PM   #59 
     - Yup, vacant.  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:20 AM   #102 
  - good example of how where one stands depends on where one sits  orangepeel68   Feb-26-08 10:15 PM   #8 
  - GREAT saying!  gateley   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #17 
  - That is correct.  susankh4   Feb-27-08 06:29 AM   #123 
     - Obama..."Fixer of souls now...says Michelle O..we have to fix our souls..  indimuse   Feb-27-08 06:52 AM   #127 
        - I agree....  susankh4   Feb-27-08 06:53 AM   #128 
        - thank you!  indimuse   Feb-27-08 06:58 AM   #131 
        - ...  Blue State Native   Feb-27-08 07:14 AM   #138 
  - You keep saying things like that almost every day are you trying to convince us or  grantcart   Feb-26-08 10:16 PM   #9 
  - Obama was Presidential, Hillary was not.  sparosnare   Feb-26-08 10:16 PM   #10 
  - And I prefer Hillary's fight  jlpohio69   Feb-26-08 10:18 PM   #22 
  - Me, too. I like her spunk.  Blue_In_AK   Feb-26-08 10:22 PM   #34 
  - Me three.  Auntie Bush   Feb-26-08 10:37 PM   #46 
     - me four  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 11:08 PM   #166 
        - Do I hear a five?  Auntie Bush   Feb-28-08 12:56 PM   #168 
  - His monotone bothers me, also, clipping his words, and the  lumpy   Feb-26-08 10:57 PM   #63 
  - !!!!  emilyg   Feb-26-08 11:22 PM   #79 
  - He has gravitas.  woolldog   Feb-26-08 11:30 PM   #83 
  - Agreed. Personally, I want a calm, deliberate President meeting with other leaders ...  krkaufman   Feb-26-08 11:55 PM   #91 
  - Ditto  Popol Vuh   Feb-27-08 04:14 AM   #116 
  - Obama just agreeded with everything Hillary said.  Rockholm   Feb-27-08 07:12 AM   #136 
     - "He stammers on the tough questions".----thinking is hard you know  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 08:47 AM   #148 
        - Not knowing is even harder.  Rockholm   Feb-27-08 03:22 PM   #157 
  - Nah, she came across as whiney, pushy and irritable...  truebrit71   Feb-26-08 10:16 PM   #11 
  - Well now we know, you are a male.  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:00 PM   #68 
     - not necessarily--all gender can use those words to decribe a female  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 11:11 PM   #167 
  - I agree...  jefferson_dem   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #12 
  - And you are a bad boy for using such a word. Tsk tsk  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:01 PM   #69 
  - DID A SINGLE VOTE MOVE TO HER TONIGHT? No.... therefore, she lost....  scheming daemons   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   # 
  - Are you a f***** psychic?  Auntie Bush   Feb-26-08 10:38 PM   #49 
     - He's not, I am  MrRobotsHolyOrders   Feb-27-08 03:02 AM   #113 
  - It's always interesting seeing how crackheads respond to debates  zulchzulu   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #13 
  - You shouldn't be throwing that word around. If we used it, we'd  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:22 AM   #104 
  - Agreed. She knows what needs to be done. Is America ready for a president who actually  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #15 
  - If she knew what needed to be done..q  sendero   Feb-27-08 06:12 AM   #120 
  - she didn't seem to be fighting anything?  bambino   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #16 
  - Herman - you done jumped the shark  thevoiceofreason   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-08 11:05 PM   #71 
     - BURN  MrRobotsHolyOrders   Feb-27-08 03:03 AM   #114 
  - No she didnt she came across as desperate  subsuelo   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #19 
  - Wow  sniffa   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #20 
  - they both did well, but Hillary needed more than that  book_worm   Feb-26-08 10:17 PM   #21 
  - or just another self-entitled elitist gasbag.  izzybeans   Feb-26-08 10:18 PM   #23 
  - talk to us in a week  LSK   Feb-26-08 10:18 PM   #24 
  - So this is what desperation looks like when the Ignore function isn't working.  Connie_Corleone   Feb-26-08 10:19 PM   #25 
  - Obama looked like a deer in the headlights a few times  Seeker30   Feb-26-08 10:19 PM   #26 
  - he's not far from it.  Oleladylib   Feb-26-08 10:21 PM   #30 
  - As president he would have worse situations to face other  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:12 PM   #74 
  - The only deer-in-headlights moment I saw  Abacus   Feb-26-08 10:27 PM   #39 
  - Yeah, he was shocked when he actually got a challenging question  Auntie Bush   Feb-26-08 10:45 PM   #57 
     - When he had to answer first, he looked uncomprehending. He doesn't  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:26 AM   #105 
  - A fighter on the ropes at the beginning...  RiverStone   Feb-26-08 10:19 PM   #27 
  - Aw, c'mon people. Herman won't be able to post stuff like this much longer. Let's do for him what  K Gardner   Feb-26-08 10:20 PM   #28 
  - I agree, take the high road.  DB1   Feb-26-08 10:22 PM   #36 
  - THANK YOU-AGREE 100%  Oleladylib   Feb-26-08 10:20 PM   #29 
  - Whatever.  Ikonoklast   Feb-26-08 10:21 PM   #31 
  - Yeah, Hillary is a fighter...  New Dawn   Feb-26-08 10:21 PM   #32 
  - And no one owns Obama ?  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:16 PM   #75 
     - Not counting Exelon.  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:27 AM   #106 
  - if you want a fighter she is a fighter...if you want a bitch you got a bitch  cloud75   Feb-26-08 10:21 PM   #33 
  - yeah - he should have been more unhinged  NormaR   Feb-26-08 10:22 PM   #35 
  - He's cool under fire, one of my favorite of his personality traits. /nt  Abacus   Feb-26-08 10:23 PM   #37 
  - Not cool under fire, he just doesnt know what to say if he's not stealing someones speech  Seeker30   Feb-26-08 10:33 PM   #42 
  - Hyuck Hyuck...  casus belli   Feb-27-08 06:57 AM   #130 
  - When have you seen him under fire ? Debating is under fire?  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:18 PM   #77 
  - Right, she will fight for Dem issues and Obama will compromise.  Auntie Bush   Feb-26-08 10:24 PM   #38 
  - "DU'ers won't approve of anything she says or does"  donheld   Feb-26-08 10:30 PM   #40 
  - Alrighty then...see ya in a week, bring tissues eom  workinclasszero   Feb-26-08 10:33 PM   #41 
  - Hermie is still in the Denial stage.  Kittycat   Feb-26-08 10:34 PM   #43 
  - Sorry, you're wrong.  Auntie Bush   Feb-26-08 10:35 PM   #44 
  - Tim Russert is flagrantly biased.......  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-26-08 10:35 PM   #45 
  - at this point, i think the entire nation is too  mkultra   Feb-26-08 10:57 PM   #64 
  - Agreed, Obama doesn't appear to have much fire in his belly.  lumpy   Feb-26-08 10:37 PM   #47 
  - A fighter to get us into Iraq. A fighter to fail at health care again. A fighter to expand NAFTA.  Bleachers7   Feb-26-08 10:38 PM   #48 
  - When Obama is not saying "I agree with Senator Clinton"he's rehashing her ideas &making them his own  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-26-08 10:39 PM   #50 
  - A couple of times I thought she was going to smack him in the head.  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:30 AM   #109 
  - According to the polls he is moving on up  goclark   Feb-27-08 07:04 PM   #162 
  - Agreed!  bridgit   Feb-26-08 10:39 PM   #51 
  - she came across as a bickerer. little different than fighter.  PretzelWarrior   Feb-26-08 10:39 PM   #52 
  - Enough with the "Fighter" label. She's not fighting for anything but her political ambitions.  wienerdoggie   Feb-26-08 10:39 PM   #53 
  - Repeating over and over, ad nauseum, "I'm a fighter," doesn't make her a fighter.  Common Sense Party   Feb-26-08 11:44 PM   #88 
  - Gee, that reads like an opinion from a mind reader. nt  Jim4Wes   Feb-27-08 06:08 AM   #119 
  - NDambi, in politics especially in debating you do not have to  BenDavid   Feb-26-08 10:43 PM   #54 
  - Hear hear Ben  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:20 PM   #78 
  - spinning like a top...nothing new...  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-26-08 10:44 PM   #56 
  - It's not just DU'ers.. check out the MSNBC Poll..  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 10:45 PM   #58 
  - amen!  bmartello   Feb-26-08 10:50 PM   #61 
  - Did anyone here ever stop to think that the  buff2   Feb-26-08 11:04 PM   #70 
  - Ahh.. that's right, if Hillary doesn't win - it's the damn Freepers.  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 11:18 PM   #76 
  - Don't you know how a presidential election works ?  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:25 PM   #81 
     - I do know how it works...  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 11:41 PM   #87 
  - Yes, thought of that.  lumpy   Feb-26-08 11:23 PM   #80 
  - So scientific!  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:33 AM   #111 
  - BS !  RBInMaine   Feb-26-08 10:48 PM   #60 
  - See ... here's where total bias changes perspective.  asSEENonTV   Feb-26-08 10:56 PM   #62 
  - Very much so. Of course I do not have my "Official Obama 3-D Glasses" on.  Neshanic   Feb-26-08 10:58 PM   #65 
  - ...  Blue State Native   Feb-27-08 07:22 AM   #141 
  - i prefer lovers  mkultra   Feb-26-08 10:58 PM   #66 
  - Yes,she did  DemEtienne   Feb-26-08 10:59 PM   #67 
  - In other words, Obama doesn't keep reinventing himself,  RBInMaine   Feb-26-08 11:06 PM   #72 
  - She lost the male in Ohio vote tonight  48percenter   Feb-26-08 11:09 PM   #73 
  - The 2 30 yr. old kids still living at home?  emilyg   Feb-26-08 11:28 PM   #82 
  - I have 30 yr. old and 27 yr. old  fedupinBushcountry   Feb-26-08 11:37 PM   #86 
  - It's not a stupid question.  emilyg   Feb-27-08 12:08 AM   #94 
  - No the head cardiac male nurse at an NE Ohio hospital  48percenter   Feb-26-08 11:45 PM   #89 
     - Emily fails at her comeback  Binka   Feb-27-08 03:58 AM   #115 
  - what tone?  woolldog   Feb-26-08 11:33 PM   #85 
  - I prefer a leader to a fighter, otherwise I'd vote for Sly Stallone  EndElectoral   Feb-27-08 12:04 AM   #92 
  - She came across as a nit-picking silly politician.  anonymous171   Feb-27-08 12:05 AM   #93 
  - Pillow fighter maybe ...  k8conant   Feb-27-08 12:11 AM   #95 
  - I don't get the effort here. You surely aren't going to convince anyone.  jgraz   Feb-27-08 01:05 AM   #96 
  - Hillary needs to get rid of that school marm attitude. She has none of ...  Hieronymus   Feb-27-08 01:06 AM   #97 
  - That means he won.  Political Heretic   Feb-27-08 01:21 AM   #98 
  - This is not the WWE.  boppers   Feb-27-08 02:07 AM   #99 
  - Good to have your 'fair and balanced' take on everything, Herman.  BringBigDogBack   Feb-27-08 02:16 AM   #100 
  - What a (cough) completely unbiased (cough) analysis. n/t  casus belli   Feb-27-08 02:17 AM   #101 
  - Working woman in Texas thinks we've had one too many fighters in the WH. n/t  votesomemore   Feb-27-08 02:22 AM   #103 
  - So the Repukes are just going to hand us change without a fight.  anamandujano   Feb-27-08 02:37 AM   #112 
     - When it's in their constituency's best interests?  boppers   Feb-27-08 05:01 AM   #117 
     - It'll be a Miracle!  Blue State Native   Feb-27-08 07:26 AM   #142 
  - She probably doesn't even know DU exists.  Jamastiene   Feb-27-08 02:28 AM   #107 
  - They both bored the hell out of me.  Fox Mulder   Feb-27-08 02:28 AM   #108 
  - Policy is/should not be televised fisticuffs.  boppers   Feb-27-08 05:17 AM   #118 
  - A fighter in the sense that if you were to ask her how she likes her coffee, she'd get defensive  JVS   Feb-27-08 06:17 AM   #121 
  - Hillary did what Strickland told her to.  susankh4   Feb-27-08 06:25 AM   #122 
  - well, you can blame the MSM and men if you want, but the real tragedy is  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 06:48 AM   #126 
     - Not true at all.  susankh4   Feb-27-08 06:54 AM   #129 
        - and you have walked in Obama's shoes?  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 06:59 AM   #132 
           - No, but I am not dissing him...  susankh4   Feb-27-08 07:02 AM   #133 
              - I'm criticizing how her campaign was run.  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 07:13 AM   #137 
                 - I am saying that this has been  susankh4   Feb-27-08 07:17 AM   #140 
                    - to quote you directly:  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 07:56 AM   #144 
  - That's about the only positive spin you could put on it --- wrong, but positive  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 06:44 AM   #124 
  - I missed the first showing, knew Hillary won when saw Maddow sayint "it was grim"  robbedvoter   Feb-27-08 06:48 AM   #125 
  - "Her target audience was the women and working class men in Ohio"  OhioChick   Feb-27-08 07:04 AM   #134 
  - If anyone watched the Reagan Library debate where McCain creamed Romney over the Iraq timeline ...  Maribelle   Feb-27-08 07:10 AM   #135 
  - LOL! if you want to bring up "finger pointing" that's rich!  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 07:15 AM   #139 
     - And you are commanding me that I 'shouldn't go there' because why?  Maribelle   Feb-27-08 08:41 AM   #145 
        - LOL! saying you "shouldn't" is the same as "commanding"? well  Lerkfish   Feb-27-08 08:58 AM   #154 
  - All he did was admit all night how correct Hillary was!  MyPetRock   Feb-27-08 07:48 AM   #143 
  - I will chime and say I approve of your last sentence:-)  rodeodance   Feb-27-08 08:45 AM   #147 
  - I think she hit homeruns on NAFTA, foreign policy (russia et al) and being a FIGHTER!!!  elixir   Feb-27-08 08:51 AM   #150 
  - I don't want a fighter who attacks a fellow Dem in a mean-spirited manner. n/t  stevietheman   Feb-27-08 08:52 AM   #151 
  - The one without a pulse is the Clinton campaign. (eom)  chieftain   Feb-27-08 10:09 AM   #156 
  - Hillary lost the debate  ProSense   Feb-27-08 03:32 PM   #158 
  - Found her to be divisive and trite - Some call that a fighter I guess, others call it Republican....  Juan_de_la_Dem   Feb-27-08 03:49 PM   #159 

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