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49. Is she indicted? Hsu was! What about the people running Hillary's campaign?
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 07:01 PM by ProSense
Clinton Response to Disgraced Fundraiser's Donations Sets New Standard for Political Campaigns

During the campaign-finance investigation, plenty of sleazy fundraising practices (of both Democrats and Republicans) were probed by House and Senate committees. Williams, for her part, became ensnared in an episode involving Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born businessman and prominent contributor to the Democratic National Committee. A frequent White House visitor, Chung often hung out in the First Lady's office staringliterallyat pictures of Hillary Clinton. Williams' assistant, Evan Ryan, testified that that the First Lady's staff found Chung's visits "disturbing." But Williams told Senate investigators that because Chung was a "contributor," she instructed her office to treat him with respect, like "any other irritable jerk who would show up."

On December 19, 1994 the DNC received a $40,000 donation from Chung, and the next day he was allowed to bring a delegation of Chinese businessmen to the White House residence for a holiday reception, where Chung and the gang had their pictures taken with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Several months later, Chung asked Hillary Clinton's office for help on several fronts. He wanted a photo with Hillary, a tour of the premises, lunch in the White House mess, and an invitation to bring another delegation of Chinese business associates to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to attend the President's weekly radio address. Ryan, Williams' assistant, testified that she had told her boss about these requests and informed Williams that Chung intended to make a contribution to the Democratic Party. According to Ryan, Williams instructed her to help Chung and mentioned that perhaps the Democratic Party could use a donation from Chung to pay the White House money it was owed by the party. (The DNC, like other organizations, had to pay for expenses related to events it held at the White House.)

Chung's request was granted, and on March 9, 1995, he and his business pals were escorted by Ryan to the White House for lunch, given a private tour, and were taken to the Map Room for a photo op with the First Lady. Afterwards, Chung handed Williams a donation to the DNC, this time for $50,000. That weekend, he and his business associates attended the President's radio address.

A key issue was whether Williams and the First Lady's office had traded favors at the White House for campaign cash. In testimony before the Senate governmental affairs committee, Williams denied she had asked for the donation and said there had been no quid pro quo. She insisted that Chung had essentially shoved an unsolicited check into her hand and that she immediately dropped it in her outbox for forwarding to the DNCwithout even looking at the amount. She said that it was not unusual for Hillary Clinton's office to receive unsolicited contributions for the Democratic Party in the mail and that her aides routinely sent them on to the DNC. Chung told a different story, claiming Williams and Ryan had requested the donation.

Overall, Chung contributed $366,000 to the DNC between 1994 and 1996 (and eventually there were questions about whether this was his own money or whether he was fronting for other sources, including the Chinese government). It was pretty obvious at the time that he was looking to impress his business associates with the access those gifts won him. And that was a central part of the Clinton fundraising scandal: the selling (or renting) of access to whomever would donate big bucks to the DNC. Those who did so could brag to friends, clients, and business connections that they were well-wired into the Clinton White Houseand perhaps that helped them grease their own business deals. This sort of quasi-scam was not a Democratic or Clintonian sin. But the Clinton White House did perfect the art. (It is illegal to solicit or receive political contributions in government offices, but it was not clear if taking a check and placing it in an outboxas Williams said she did with Chung's donationwas a violation of the law.) In 1997, the DNC returned Chung's contributions.

In testimony before the Senate government affairs committeethen chaired by Republican Fred ThompsonWilliams downplayed the Chung episode. But on a few key points Ryan, her assistant, contradicted her. Years later, it's not unreasonable to look at the record and conclude that Williams was part of a shifty system in which the Clinton White House would hand out favors (maybe just small ones) for anyone brandishing a checkand that she might have stepped over the line in following this standard operating procedure.


Are the Clintons going to rent out the White House again?

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  -Exactly who is running Obama's campaign? Let's take a peek.... jlake  Feb-26-08 06:31 PM   #0 
  - Jealous?  Dawgs   Feb-26-08 06:33 PM   #1 
  - Ooh. that's a HARD reply. And a perfect one.  Redstone   Feb-26-08 06:48 PM   #38 
  - Siding with Billionaire robber barons....there you go!  jlake   Feb-26-08 07:55 PM   #56 
  - As you wish. Consider me properly humbled.  Redstone   Feb-26-08 07:59 PM   #60 
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  - She nailed the one about the pillow.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:14 PM   #89 
     - Oh yeah, that made her look/sound presidential  hogwyld   Feb-27-08 06:32 PM   #119 
     - You didn't hear the boos from the audience?  peaches2003   Feb-27-08 09:40 PM   #124 
        - Yeah, the Obamabots are typically loutish like that.  jlake   Feb-28-08 07:19 PM   #133 
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  - If I could get a Multibillionaire to manage my campaign finances...  Labors of Hercules   Feb-27-08 02:39 PM   #116 
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  - Who's running Clinton's campaign?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-08 06:33 PM   #2 
  - Heckofa job, Marky.  ocelot   Feb-26-08 06:35 PM   #4 
  - Yes, because we should all value the super rich more than average folks.  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:37 PM   #9 
  - Mark Penn is average folk?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-08 06:37 PM   #10 
  - Compared to Penny - abso-fucking-lutely.  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:38 PM   #15 
     - But she doesn't pimp for Blackwater and Phillip Morris.  ocelot   Feb-26-08 06:40 PM   #20 
        - Um.... She has almost 3 BILLION Dollars - made in large part from predatory loans.  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:42 PM   #26 
           - At least she didn't vote for the war... n/m  Yurovsky   Feb-26-08 06:47 PM   #37 
  - Ah, more satire from jlake. n/t  yibbehobba   Feb-29-08 09:47 AM   #142 
  - ROTFL!  Window   Feb-26-08 06:54 PM   #46 
  - "Who's running Clinton's campaign?" Lucy and Ethel  donheld   Feb-26-08 08:57 PM   #63 
     - No kidding!  Tesha   Feb-29-08 09:43 AM   #138 
  - I believe her friends call her  maddiejoan   Feb-26-08 06:33 PM   #3 
  - She's a damn site better than Mark Penn so far   Feb-26-08 06:35 PM   #5 
  - That talking points makes you sound like you should drop the "x" from your name.  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:36 PM   #6 
     - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-08 06:38 PM   #12 
     - People who think that everyone who is involved in a subprime loan is to blame  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:39 PM   #18 
        - Oh my.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-26-08 06:40 PM   #22 
        - yes. they are. AND recall the FEDS pumped B$$ into banks--  rodeodance   Feb-26-08 06:44 PM   #30 
        - No, it's siding with being responsible   Feb-26-08 06:45 PM   #33 
        - That post is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on the internet.  apocalypsehow   Feb-26-08 06:46 PM   #36 
           - that really says something  Cant trust em   Feb-26-08 06:53 PM   #45 
     - So personal resonsibility   Feb-26-08 06:38 PM   #16 
     - Like you're one to talk. You said you'll vote for McCain.  Alexander   Feb-26-08 06:41 PM   #25 
     - Hee-Hee.  emilyg   Feb-26-08 06:42 PM   #28 
     - Oh Jesus Such Erudition  Binka   Feb-26-08 11:05 PM   #80 
        - What's this - another elitist latte liberal?  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:09 PM   #83 
           - Oh yes I am just a latte drinking Prius driving ELITE  Binka   Feb-26-08 11:25 PM   #92 
              - You're mocking someone that you perceive to be less educated than you.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:27 PM   #95 
                 - So Fucking What She Is LESS Educated. Her Arguments Like Yours Are Fucking Stupid.  Binka   Feb-26-08 11:30 PM   #97 
                 - Good God. You're going on ignore too.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:54 PM   #103 
                 - Before I put you on ignore because you are tedious, boring, trite, and just fucking off your rocker  Binka   Feb-26-08 11:33 PM   #99 
     - This is why we keep losing elections  Cant trust em   Feb-26-08 06:43 PM   #29 
  - Instead of spending your time dumping on Obama, why don't you spend your time...  LakeSamish706   Feb-26-08 06:36 PM   #7 
  - because it's much more fun to be destructive  Cant trust em   Feb-26-08 06:38 PM   #14 
  - Mark Penn = Clinton/Charlie Black = McCain  blogslut   Feb-26-08 06:36 PM   #8 
  - Maybe Hillary should have hired him instead of her incompetent cronies  Johnny__Motown   Feb-26-08 06:37 PM   #11 
  - David Axelrod.  hnmnf   Feb-26-08 06:38 PM   #13 
  - And Hillary has Mark 'Blackwater' Penn.  Spider Jerusalem   Feb-26-08 06:39 PM   #17 
  - Without Penny, Countrywide would have never happened.  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:40 PM   #23 
     - And without Penn, Hillary 'might' be winning. nt  babylonsister   Feb-26-08 06:45 PM   #34 
     - That just isn't true;  Spider Jerusalem   Feb-26-08 06:54 PM   #47 
  - Yea, she's an unaccomplished anchor around his neck, all right~  babylonsister   Feb-26-08 06:39 PM   #19 
  - The Pritzker family is very well-known for their philanthropy.  Blue-Jay   Feb-26-08 06:40 PM   #21 
  - Most billionaires do. That doesn't lessen the fact that they have made their fortune  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:41 PM   #24 
  - Wrong again.  Blue-Jay   Feb-26-08 06:44 PM   #32 
     - It seems as though her brother (Jay?) is working for HRC.  tabatha   Feb-26-08 06:55 PM   #48 
  - That is COLD COMFORT to those who have lost their homes!  TheGoldenRule   Feb-26-08 07:05 PM   #51 
  - Nothing there that makes me shudder nearly as much as Mark Penn. n/t  Mojambo   Feb-26-08 06:42 PM   #27 
  - Is Mark Penn responsible for 5 million American families losing their homes and  jlake   Feb-26-08 06:44 PM   #31 
     - Well, judging from the quality of content revealed in all your other posts ever  WilliamPitt   Feb-26-08 06:48 PM   #39 
     - ROFL   Feb-26-08 06:49 PM   #41 
     - Your view is heinously ignorant   Feb-26-08 06:48 PM   #40 
     - 22 trillion??? whose ass did you pull that number out of?  QuestionAll   Feb-26-08 11:32 PM   #98 
  - "Responsible for the Subprime Mortgage crisis"  WilliamPitt   Feb-26-08 06:46 PM   #35 
  - I have no doubt Ms. Pritzker was personally responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis.  ocelot   Feb-26-08 06:53 PM   #44 
  - that must be how she really got to be a billionaire- all those commissions...  QuestionAll   Feb-26-08 11:37 PM   #100 
  - Especially since this banks trouble occured in 2001  ginantonic40   Feb-27-08 07:53 PM   #121 
  - It's a woman - but yes, she was instrumental in it.  jlake   Feb-26-08 07:56 PM   #58 
  - I'd have somebody on my campaign if they were THAT powerful  zulchzulu   Feb-27-08 12:22 PM   #111 
  - Um, there is no doubt they are already involved in the CIA.  jlake   Feb-27-08 01:12 PM   #112 
     - Your tinfoil hat is a little smushed on the side  zulchzulu   Feb-27-08 02:33 PM   #115 
  - I laughed at that one as well.  jeffrey_X   Feb-27-08 08:03 PM   #122 
  - Moses Mercado Lobbyist with Ogilvy Government Relations : Monsanto, Carlyle Group, United Health....  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-26-08 06:49 PM   #42 
  - No wonder BO does not talk much about the subprime crisis.  Freida5   Feb-26-08 06:50 PM   #43 
  - And he does have a much weaker plan than Edwards and a weaker one than Hillary  jackson_dem   Feb-26-08 11:26 PM   #94 
  - Is she indicted? Hsu was! What about the people running Hillary's campaign?  ProSense   Feb-26-08 07:01 PM   #49 
  - hey, at least they're doing a good job, which is more than I can say for clinton's campaign.  Lerkfish   Feb-26-08 07:12 PM   #52 
  - Wow.  jlake   Feb-26-08 08:54 PM   #62 
     - yup, wake up and smell the reality, you can "wow" all you want.  Lerkfish   Feb-26-08 09:06 PM   #64 
  - You do realize her brother JB Pritzker is on board for Clinton?  Nailzberg   Feb-26-08 07:19 PM   #53 
  - uh oh.  Forkboy   Feb-26-08 07:51 PM   #55 
  - Her brother was not involved in the subprime scandal. but thanks for playing.  jlake   Feb-26-08 07:57 PM   #59 
     - The bank was owned by the Pritzker Family trust. JB and Penny's money come from the same place.  Nailzberg   Feb-26-08 09:07 PM   #65 
        - You do understand that she took an active role in divising the plans.... you should being the  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:20 PM   #90 
  - No, David Axelrod is Obama's campaign manager....  stillcool47   Feb-26-08 07:48 PM   #54 
  - If you read my OP, I used her correct title "campaign finance manager" But thanks for playing.  jlake   Feb-26-08 07:56 PM   #57 
     - Oh man....  stillcool47   Feb-26-08 10:46 PM   #75 
        - Yes, the finance manager is part of running the campaign.... but whatever you want to believe.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:05 PM   #81 
           - No..You must have misunderstood...  stillcool47   Feb-26-08 11:08 PM   #82 
  - A little something from: Cornel West, regarding such matters...  bridgit   Feb-26-08 08:00 PM   #61 
  - Thank you. Very informative!  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:01 PM   #79 
  - Quite useful and illuminating  Orwellian_Ghost   Feb-27-08 09:05 PM   #123 
  - Who the fuck cares..  sendero   Feb-26-08 09:07 PM   #66 
  - I read the senate hearing transcript about the closing of the bank  lojasmo   Feb-26-08 09:12 PM   #67 
  - Listen are you listening do you hear it  LibertyorDeath   Feb-26-08 09:39 PM   #68 
  - Yes, because winning makes someone a good, honest person....  jlake   Feb-26-08 10:37 PM   #69 
  - oh ignore, where are you hiding on me?  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-26-08 10:42 PM   #71 
  - Whoever they are, they're doing a damn good job!  Connie_Corleone   Feb-26-08 10:42 PM   #72 
  - jlake, when Hillary withdraws - I assume your 24/7 seek and destroy missions will stop?  RiverStone   Feb-26-08 10:42 PM   #73 
  - Let's not n/t  GOTV   Feb-26-08 10:43 PM   #74 
  - Keep your head in the sand.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:12 PM   #87 
     - Better than where YOUR head is n/t  GOTV   Feb-27-08 11:34 AM   #107 
  - I was like WTF... how did spaming, professional obama smearer hit-man wannabe jlake get unignored?  Political Heretic   Feb-26-08 10:47 PM   #76 
  - Dude, I'm a little worried about you. You've invested so much in this  ResetButton   Feb-26-08 10:54 PM   #77 
  - Thank you for your concern. I'll take note of it.  jlake   Feb-26-08 10:59 PM   #78 
  - i think youve earned the ignore award fromme  mkultra   Feb-26-08 11:09 PM   #84 
  - Glad to be aboard. If facts scare you that much there is no reason to interface.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:11 PM   #85 
  - I work for one of the Pritzkers Corporations...  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 11:11 PM   #86 
  - How did she "create" this money?  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:14 PM   #88 
     - Create Which Money?  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 11:24 PM   #91 
        - The money you were talking about.  jlake   Feb-26-08 11:26 PM   #93 
           - That would be the Charity money.  RoadRage   Feb-26-08 11:42 PM   #101 
  - Obamites savaged Edwards over his hedge fund's NOLA investments that he didn't know about it  jackson_dem   Feb-26-08 11:27 PM   #96 
  - now thats plain ridiculous. Many Obama supporters WERE Edwards supporters n/t  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-26-08 11:48 PM   #102 
  - I don't consider then Obamites. Obamites=the true believers  jackson_dem   Feb-26-08 11:59 PM   #105 
  - How soon they forget or is it just plain old hypocrisy?  Blue State Native   Feb-29-08 09:47 AM   #140 
  - Obama has NO connections to special interests. He said so, and I believe him. STFU *NT*  sykalla2   Feb-26-08 11:57 PM   #104 
  - Yeah, okay.....that's not a connection.  jlake   Feb-27-08 12:02 AM   #106 
     - Hey! you never answered stillcool's question  not_too_L8   Feb-27-08 12:13 PM   #110 
  - K&R  Orwellian_Ghost   Feb-27-08 11:38 AM   #108 
  - That is true, but many seem to think that Obama is pure as freshly fallen snow  jlake   Feb-27-08 12:03 PM   #109 
     - This is all old news  Emit   Feb-27-08 01:18 PM   #113 
        - Okay? Everything brought up about Hillary is old news too.... it's like it's 1998 all over.  jlake   Feb-27-08 01:22 PM   #114 
  - how about we get info someplace where you or I couldn't have written it first?  dmsRoar   Feb-27-08 03:59 PM   #117 
  - I don't write for  jlake   Feb-27-08 07:17 PM   #120 
     - of course you don't. all the hatchet material comes from Wiki, though, AS YOU KNOW.  dmsRoar   Feb-28-08 11:17 AM   #129 
        - No, it does not.  jlake   Feb-29-08 09:33 AM   #135 
           - your forbes link only accuses her of being rich. Wiki does the rest. AS YOU KNOW.  dmsRoar   Feb-29-08 09:45 AM   #139 
  - hey professor cut and paste-  mopinko   Feb-27-08 06:30 PM   #118 
  - Axelrod is a spooky dude....and Chicago gives me the willies.  jlake   Feb-28-08 01:59 AM   #125 
     - You sound soooo foolish,  FrenchieCat   Feb-28-08 02:01 AM   #126 
        - Nope. All of those crooked folks make me uncomfortable. I have never been a dope fiend nor  jlake   Feb-28-08 02:03 AM   #127 
           - Well, by all means, lock yourself in and don't come out......  FrenchieCat   Feb-28-08 02:53 AM   #128 
              - That's exactly why I am going to become a shut in if Obama is sworn in.  jlake   Feb-28-08 11:18 AM   #130 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-28-08 12:03 PM   #131 
                    - What an absurd accusation.  jlake   Feb-28-08 06:38 PM   #132 
  - don't worry- ALL the dirt will come out in the General election & McCain will win  adapa   Feb-29-08 09:38 AM   #137 
  - That's a nasty thing to hope for!!... n/t  not_too_L8   Feb-29-08 09:47 AM   #141 
  - Obama's a more talented fraud than Hillary  Onlooker   Feb-29-08 09:49 AM   #143 

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