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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:50 PM
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36. You are mischaracterizing what factcheck says in its article.
All it said, basically, was that the mailer shouldn't have put the word "boon" in quotes.

As for the second, factcheck said the mailer about healthcare is not false. It just "strains" the facts by not explaining everything...the same as Clinton's mailers about Obama's positions have done.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top on CNN just said the BO campaign lied in both Ohio mailers Freida5  Feb-25-08 07:33 PM   #0 
  - Yes! Shame on You Obama!  liberalnurse   Feb-25-08 07:35 PM   #1 
  - you sound kind of whiney  PretzelWarrior   Feb-25-08 07:47 PM   #30 
     - any you sound like SOUR GRAPES  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:53 PM   #41 
     - No, I'm angry as hell . You should be here with me in Ohio.  liberalnurse   Feb-25-08 07:54 PM   #43 
        - I'm with you in Ohio. I know the people are suffering.  BerryBush   Feb-25-08 08:08 PM   #57 
           - As a nurse who works with a Community access Clinic....  liberalnurse   Feb-25-08 08:14 PM   #60 
              - Thanks for you real life story. adds validity.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:22 PM   #67 
  - Good to hear validation  OzarkDem   Feb-25-08 07:36 PM   #2 
  - but so much damage have been done already  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:09 PM   #58 
  - You are not telling the truth  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-25-08 07:36 PM   #3 
  - I call the fact that the mailer included the debunked statement that she had called it a 'boon'  bigtree   Feb-25-08 07:41 PM   #13 
  - Desperate.  Window   Feb-25-08 07:45 PM   #26 
     - "We find that a [BO} mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleading  rodeodance   Feb-26-08 03:48 PM   #102 
  - I think you inflated the the analysis. Hillary, how is all this spin and lie working for you?  thunder rising   Feb-25-08 07:37 PM   #4 
  - CNN's anti Obama bias is palpable.  totodeinhere   Feb-25-08 07:37 PM   #5 
  - Rovian tactic: KILL THE MESSENGER  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:40 PM   #11 
  - Yep.  avrdream   Feb-25-08 07:47 PM   #29 
  - It's not a Rovian tactic if the criticism is valid  totodeinhere   Feb-25-08 08:03 PM   #52 
     - up date yourself about the media bias on the candidates.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:07 PM   #56 
     - You didn't answer my question.  totodeinhere   Feb-25-08 08:11 PM   #59 
        - too bad  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:52 PM   #75 
           - yeah, for you.  Gonnabuymeagun   Feb-26-08 02:04 PM   #95 
     - Any and all criticism of Obama is called "Rovian" here  MonkeyFunk   Feb-26-08 11:51 AM   #93 
        - Any and all criticism of Clinton is called "Rovian" here  dchill   Feb-26-08 03:23 PM   #98 
  - Not sure if it is anti-Obama but CNN sure is pro-Hillary.  ncteechur   Feb-25-08 07:43 PM   #19 
  - ha ha---it is really the silly season to her you say that  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:50 PM   #37 
  - in full swing for Hillary today, for sure!  Whisp   Feb-25-08 08:22 PM   #66 
  - You think so? I haven't been bothered by any.  anigbrowl   Feb-25-08 07:48 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for that link...  ingac70   Feb-25-08 07:38 PM   #6 
  - Obama claimed in his response yesterday that they hadn't been debunked  bigtree   Feb-25-08 07:39 PM   #7 
  - They certainly have  OzarkDem   Feb-25-08 07:40 PM   #10 
     - BO was so swave yesterday calling a NEWS conferences about this.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:46 PM   #27 
  - Get over yourself and stop grasping at straws!  dchill   Feb-25-08 07:39 PM   #8 
  - sounds like Bush explaining away his own lies.  bigtree   Feb-25-08 07:42 PM   #17 
  - Not sure whether you agree w/me or not...  dchill   Feb-25-08 07:45 PM   #23 
  - so a half lie is better than a whole lie? A lie is a lie is a lie...get over yourself, he's not  madmom   Feb-26-08 02:15 PM   #96 
     - "A lie is a lie is a lie..."  dchill   Feb-26-08 03:17 PM   #97 
        - "It's the ones like you who can't see ...  madmom   Feb-26-08 03:27 PM   #99 
           - Then I guess I don't see...  dchill   Feb-26-08 03:38 PM   #100 
              - Not angry just trying to see what the differnce between "not exactly false" and  madmom   Feb-26-08 04:15 PM   #106 
                 - The territory between "false" and "not exactly false"...  dchill   Feb-27-08 09:55 PM   #108 
  - HO HOO. BO on the TV said they were 'factual" ummm,,,,,, I like factcheck.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:40 PM   #9 
  - check on HIllary's OHIO mailer on trade...  Windy   Feb-25-08 07:45 PM   #25 
  - factcheck sucks, they ignore her own book  sandnsea   Feb-25-08 07:41 PM   #12 
  - bitter much?  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:42 PM   #18 
     - So those quotes from her book are wrong?  Blue-Jay   Feb-25-08 07:44 PM   #21 
        - immaterial  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:49 PM   #35 
           - Oh. That makes sense.  Blue-Jay   Feb-25-08 07:52 PM   #39 
              - sure does. glad you agree  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:57 PM   #46 
                 - LOL!  Blue-Jay   Feb-25-08 08:01 PM   #49 
  - REC  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:41 PM   #14 
  - Did you actually read the article?  zulchzulu   Feb-25-08 07:42 PM   #15 
  - 'misleading' and 'straining the facts' is lying  bigtree   Feb-25-08 07:44 PM   #20 
  - Did you read the link about Hillary's mailers?  zulchzulu   Feb-25-08 07:44 PM   #22 
  - If he DID read it...  dchill   Feb-25-08 07:46 PM   #28 
  - divert, distract  bigtree   Feb-25-08 07:48 PM   #34 
     - are they wittiy---using tactics straight out of Rove's playbook!  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:53 PM   #40 
  - Factcheck accused both camps of doing so.  anigbrowl   Feb-25-08 07:54 PM   #42 
  - We find that a mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleading  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:51 PM   #38 
  - I don't get it...  zach   Feb-25-08 07:42 PM   #16 
  - The paragraph you are conveniently ignoring from FactCheck......  scheming daemons   Feb-25-08 07:45 PM   #24 
  - Frieda always "triagulates" or "spins" for her candidate. She's left out pertinent facts inthe past  Windy   Feb-25-08 07:47 PM   #31 
     - " windy always "triagulates" or "spins" for her/his candidate"  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:56 PM   #45 
  - Don't you love how people now say "Fact Check" does mean anything  gerrilea   Feb-25-08 07:48 PM   #32 
  - the word HYPOCRITE comes to mind  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:01 PM   #48 
  - AMEN!  gerrilea   Feb-25-08 08:07 PM   #55 
  - No way, Obama NEVER LIED!!!  AGirl   Feb-26-08 11:02 AM   #89 
  - You are mischaracterizing what factcheck says in its article.  indie_ana_500   Feb-25-08 07:50 PM   #36 
  - Well --uess BO on TV yesterday should have said he "strained" the facts vs saying 'accurate"  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:00 PM   #47 
  - LETS HAVE SOME RECS--TAKE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE PLEASE  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 07:54 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-08 08:03 PM   #50 
  - "goddamnit I'm so sick of the likes of youse"---What is a "youse"?  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:05 PM   #53 
  - A plural form of you used in some parts of the US, most widely in New York.  anigbrowl   Feb-25-08 08:26 PM   #68 
     - I am not from NY but thank you. and I am not a" fule" as you claim. Shame on you.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:33 PM   #72 
  - Did you go to the link?  avrdream   Feb-25-08 08:05 PM   #54 
  - " We leave it to our readers to decide whether they should be "outraged" or not" OUTRAGED!!  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:03 PM   #51 
  - You're spinning: "We frankly find Clinton's past position on NAFTA to be ambivalent." n/t  ProSense   Feb-25-08 08:15 PM   #61 
  - ""lacks context" and stretches the facts, but we can't agree that it is "false" as Clinton says."  ProSense   Feb-25-08 08:18 PM   #63 
  - get into the NOW buddy: "We find that a mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleadin  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:21 PM   #65 
  - HURRAY FOR HILLARY--  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:18 PM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-08 08:19 PM   #64 
  - get your facts straight before you spout off-OP was talking of Factck. Your post  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:29 PM   #69 
     - WRONG - it's the same article  Stephanie   Feb-25-08 08:33 PM   #71 
        - the factck form OP does not have the DU link which lead to the open left article -this  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 08:39 PM   #74 
  - Did CNN report Factcheck's findings? nt  Marie26   Feb-25-08 08:30 PM   #70 
  - THANK YOU for that link.  LadyVT   Feb-25-08 08:34 PM   #73 
  - Show me the quote that says he lied in both mailers  landonb16   Feb-25-08 08:53 PM   #76 
  - 'misleading' and 'straining the facts' is lying'--from post #20 Enough said.  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 09:00 PM   #77 
     - LOL, He doesn't need to campaign for HRC, that is her job to tell people about her plan.  landonb16   Feb-25-08 10:07 PM   #80 
  - kick  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 09:14 PM   #78 
  - kicky  rodeodance   Feb-25-08 09:14 PM   #79 
  - Good luck with that, see ya after the debate. (the word "Boon" is the only problem)  Johnny__Motown   Feb-25-08 10:11 PM   #81 
  - It's only a problem because everyone, including Factcheck isn't representing it  ProSense   Feb-25-08 10:17 PM   #82 
     - And Newsday has stated they should not have used quote marks.  rinsd   Feb-26-08 04:01 PM   #104 
  - K & R  ArkySue   Feb-25-08 10:24 PM   #83 
  - It's "newspaper's"....not...  Hepburn   Feb-26-08 10:14 AM   #84 
  - "In closing, we'd just note that Clinton is no innocent on sending out misleading mailers."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-26-08 10:18 AM   #85 
  - The Obama supporters don't care.  MethuenProgressive   Feb-26-08 10:19 AM   #86 
  - Do you care?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-26-08 10:23 AM   #87 
  - This is important, lying, distortion, hurting core issues.  anamandujano   Feb-26-08 11:47 AM   #92 
  - Your OP is completely fabricated. Factcheck debunked Hillary's claims  ProSense   Feb-26-08 10:38 AM   #88 
  - Obama: Hope you can't rely on!  CyberPieHole   Feb-26-08 11:44 AM   #90 
  - We said the mailer "lacks context" and stretches the facts, but we can't agree that it is "false."  Occam Bandage   Feb-26-08 11:46 AM   #91 
  - Hillary was right to counter attack against these false accusations. nt  Jim4Wes   Feb-26-08 11:51 AM   #94 
  - yes, she was. yes she was----and I am so glad she did.  rodeodance   Feb-26-08 03:47 PM   #101 
  - We can't trust anything we read or hear, even on DU!  babsbunny   Feb-26-08 03:58 PM   #103 
  - Some Dems are using the GOP defense of pulling at a thread.  AtomicKitten   Feb-26-08 04:05 PM   #105 
  - Oh is not Obama's responsiblity to put every  my3boyz   Feb-26-08 04:20 PM   #107 

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