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Sun Feb-24-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 114. An ethical defense. Lying about a 12-year old is not ethical. |
| -If you have a big problem with the" Hillary defends rapist" story... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 09:46 PM |
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k/r |
emilyg |
Feb-24-08 09:48 PM |
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K&R. Clinton acted completely ethically. |
Occam Bandage |
Feb-24-08 09:49 PM |
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I heard Rush Limbaugh say the same thing last week |
BeatleBoot |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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Considering that the victim bears no ill will toward HRC, I fail to see |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-24-08 09:49 PM |
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15 y old said he had sex with her - but she denied as she "liked the 15 y old" = hard to |
papau |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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15 year old was not Hillary's client, so what difference does it make |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:13 PM |
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Hillary acted ethically. But the story isn't a hit piece, anymore than the story |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 10:14 PM |
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How do you not see this as a hit piece? |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:17 PM |
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For one thing, the article presents the story from a whole number of sides. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 11:01 PM |
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The documents in the case have been lost in the flood. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 11:13 PM |
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The July 28, 1975 affidavit where Hillary lies about the 12-year old was not lost. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:44 PM |
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But it is and frankly, brings HRC out in a good light. So thank you n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:02 AM |
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Instead of helping a 12-year old rape victim, HRC lied about her. |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:04 AM |
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HRC lied and the court stayed silent? I find that unlikely. Of course |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:08 AM |
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Evidence: |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:11 AM |
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I don't see any evidence in your post. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-08 12:16 AM |
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She supplies no source and the victim denies Hillary's claims: |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:19 AM |
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I am tired of arguing with this nonsense. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-08 12:20 AM |
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She gives one source: "an expert in child psychology" |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:24 AM |
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You are confused. |
lizzy |
Feb-25-08 12:28 AM |
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She gives no source for her claims about the girl, correct, |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:31 AM |
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"I have been told..." She said she had been told, not that "this young |
dorktv |
Feb-25-08 01:01 AM |
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You post irrelevancies and call it evidence? Find me a statement |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:17 AM |
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The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall: |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:21 AM |
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You got bubkus. The victim wasn't cooperating at the time, HRC |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:33 AM |
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So you're saying the victim is lying and invited the rape? |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:34 AM |
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I'm saying the victim wasn't victimized by HRC n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:37 AM |
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Hillary LIED about her, forced her to testify (yes, read the article), |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:41 AM |
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HRC did her job as the court demanded. I call that public service |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 07:16 AM |
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Fredda, what the victim said has no bearing. Hillary behaved ethically by |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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Of course the reflections of a first hand observer are relevant. And her |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-24-08 11:59 PM |
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The victim is still suffering... |
TwoSparkles |
Feb-24-08 10:31 PM |
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She doesn't blame HRC because HRC didn't victimize her. She |
Fredda Weinberg |
Feb-25-08 12:01 AM |
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Don't waste your breath... |
RetroLounge |
Feb-24-08 09:49 PM |
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You said it. |
Bluebear |
Feb-24-08 10:44 PM |
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i know--think i saw threads--I can't believe the comments I read--from DU members. I think |
rodeodance |
Feb-24-08 11:02 PM |
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I agree |
hnmnf |
Feb-24-08 09:49 PM |
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You can defend an "alleged rapist" without saying the victim was trolling for it |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 09:50 PM |
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Bingo. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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False, It is either the best defense or it isn't. |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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She made her choice, now she gets to live with it. |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 09:56 PM |
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Yes, and we have the right to judge her actions... |
TwoSparkles |
Feb-24-08 10:19 PM |
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Even many mature Obamafolks were appaulled by comments on those threads. Shameful. |
rodeodance |
Feb-24-08 11:10 PM |
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If she had to go to that defense then she must not have had much to go with |
Quixote1818 |
Feb-24-08 10:01 PM |
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Public defenders almost always have very little to work with |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 10:10 PM |
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Blamed a 12 year old for a 41 year old raping them? |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 11:02 PM |
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That's what bothers me about this story |
Firespirit |
Feb-24-08 09:57 PM |
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Going for the jugular when there is no need for that |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 09:59 PM |
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Thank you! Very well put! People are missing the most important points |
Quixote1818 |
Feb-24-08 10:03 PM |
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People are not missing the points because the points are not true. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:06 PM |
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You're welcome -- it seems some ppl don't think it was rape if the boy was 15 |
Firespirit |
Feb-24-08 10:07 PM |
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Taylor (the rapist) was 41. The 15-year old was a third party: |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 10:10 PM |
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Again, 15 year old was not her client. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:11 PM |
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Your post should be a new topic. It deserves a lot of visibility. nt |
Quixote1818 |
Feb-24-08 10:05 PM |
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I don't know how you could have possibly gleaned that, |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:06 PM |
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How exactly does "she pursued him" as a defense NOT acknowledge it? |
Firespirit |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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Would you be so kind as to provide where Hillary said she was trolling for it? |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 11:32 PM |
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The controversy isn't about her doing her job, it's her choice of clients. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-24-08 09:50 PM |
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I think I read that this was court assigned. |
hnmnf |
Feb-24-08 09:51 PM |
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I just read it again, and you're correct. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-24-08 09:52 PM |
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She was a public defender. |
Occam Bandage |
Feb-24-08 09:52 PM |
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My understanding is that she was court-appointed. |
ocelot |
Feb-24-08 09:52 PM |
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The article says she tried to turn down the case but the judge |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-24-08 10:34 PM |
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She CHOSE to blame the victim on this. |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:51 PM |
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The rapist didn't admit to sex |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-25-08 05:09 PM |
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No, it's about her choice of tactics. The one she chose was wrong, like torture. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 09:55 PM |
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She was assigned as a public defender. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:04 PM |
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Profound thanks. Recommended. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Feb-24-08 09:52 PM |
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If she had evidence it was true |
sandnsea |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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As a hillary hater I have to agree with this |
Egnever |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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You are mischaracterising the complaints... |
mckeown1128 |
Feb-24-08 09:54 PM |
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It would be unethical to not do everything you can to get your client off IMO |
hnmnf |
Feb-24-08 09:56 PM |
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the 15 yr old admitted to being sought out and raping her - where is problem? |
papau |
Feb-24-08 09:57 PM |
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15 year old was not her client. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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The rapist Clinton defended was the 41 yr old, not the 15 yr old. n/t |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-24-08 10:16 PM |
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It is not unethical |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 09:59 PM |
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It is illegal if it is a lie |
sandnsea |
Feb-24-08 10:07 PM |
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Legal ethics and ethical behavior are two standards, |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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The article isn't clear |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-24-08 10:38 PM |
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Thank you |
quakerboy |
Feb-24-08 09:55 PM |
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You're right about one thing |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Feb-24-08 09:55 PM |
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Obama never tried to tear apart a 12 year old rape victim. |
ErnestoG |
Feb-24-08 09:56 PM |
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What is it about the tactics used that is escaping people about this? |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 09:57 PM |
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Probably the DU "Bash Rape Victims" squad |
Firespirit |
Feb-24-08 10:23 PM |
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She was 12, he was 41 |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:52 PM |
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no - indeed he was in bed with slum landlords that refuse to repair/make livable the units |
papau |
Feb-24-08 09:58 PM |
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Thanks K&H |
seasonedblue |
Feb-24-08 09:57 PM |
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I agree 100% percent. I support Obama, but I really really support the right of an accused person to |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 09:58 PM |
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You would support an attorney going after a 12 year old girl by saying |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:02 PM |
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Guilt was never proved except the fonding charge the defendant copped a plea to. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 10:42 PM |
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My argument on this is tactics |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:55 PM |
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I hate being forced to defend Hill. the same thing happened in the 90's Everything |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 11:19 PM |
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Hilly lied about a 12-year old to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:40 PM |
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The problem is that there is no proof that Hillary wasn't informed about this, by |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 12:15 AM |
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No source is named in the affidavit and the victim was shocked to read the charges: |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:29 AM |
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But hill didn't attribute the information to the victim, she attributed it to some unnamed |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 12:42 AM |
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Lying about a 12-year old is unethical. The victim, now an adult, called it a lie. |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:43 AM |
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The fact the victim says she never made any other allegations doesn't mean the childs teacher didn't |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 01:06 AM |
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Who the hell are you to tell anyone to switch parties? |
KAZ |
Feb-24-08 09:59 PM |
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Point taken and title changed |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 10:13 PM |
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Thanks Kurt! |
KAZ |
Feb-24-08 10:18 PM |
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Thank you |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:55 PM |
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Yes,this is just how the law is we all are allowed representation. Being hard on the kid could be... |
cooolandrew |
Feb-24-08 10:01 PM |
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Being hard on the kid IS the issue that some of us are standing up for |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:02 PM |
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The client denied anything happened at all n/t |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-24-08 10:44 PM |
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The 41 year old client admitted that he had sex with a 12 year old girl |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:56 PM |
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It's a false claim on your part. |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 11:05 PM |
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The victim sure doesn't think it's a false claim. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:42 PM |
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From the article: |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-25-08 05:32 PM |
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Agreed |
proud2Blib |
Feb-24-08 10:01 PM |
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I heard the Vince Foster "Scandal" isn't going away either |
BeatleBoot |
Feb-24-08 10:06 PM |
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Oh please, poor Hillary! They made her blame the victim! |
TwoSparkles |
Feb-24-08 10:08 PM |
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She basically went to the dark side. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 10:21 PM |
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Well done. |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:58 PM |
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It speaks to her priorities, Maybe she should have refused the case, instead she cashed the check |
Johnny__Motown |
Feb-24-08 10:12 PM |
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The thing is, if the court appoints you to defense you can't just say, no thanks, I'd rather not. |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-24-08 10:19 PM |
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The tactics you employ ARE your choice |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 10:59 PM |
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He didn't admit to "the act." |
lizzy |
Feb-24-08 11:04 PM |
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Actually no he didn't admit to it and I'm not defending anything in the defense. But the idea of |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-24-08 11:12 PM |
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She was a PUBLIC DEFENDER. |
RetroLounge |
Feb-24-08 10:20 PM |
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I'm an Obama supporter and I think this a non-issue. |
thecatburgler |
Feb-24-08 10:18 PM |
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She was ready to tear a 12-year old rape victim apart on the witness stand |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 10:25 PM |
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32 years ago! Yes! |
thecatburgler |
Feb-24-08 10:46 PM |
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The problem is that there's a higher standard than the way the law works. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 10:53 PM |
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I bet neither you nor any Obama supporter would say that if it were your case |
depakid |
Feb-24-08 11:01 PM |
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What if it was her 12-year old daughter who was raped? |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:04 PM |
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Do all defense attorneys say that 12 year old rape victims "asked for it"? |
dkf |
Feb-24-08 10:18 PM |
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Please post from the article where Hill said "she asked for it." You are reading other posts above |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 11:23 PM |
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From the article. |
dkf |
Feb-24-08 11:26 PM |
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Yes, she's implying the victim made it up, and she's asking for a psych evaluation to |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-24-08 11:49 PM |
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I guess the question is where did she get the information |
dkf |
Feb-25-08 12:00 AM |
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From an unnamed "expert in child psychology" |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:16 AM |
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No, you are misreading. The information about 'previous accusations' isn't |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 12:31 AM |
#138 |
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Hillary lied about the girl's claims. The girl said so herself this fall. |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:37 AM |
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We should do away with courts and just rely on reporters and memories that |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 12:53 AM |
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JQ, Hilly did not substantiate her claim and the victim denies it. |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:58 AM |
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When a motion is filed, substanciation isn't required. That's why before someone |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 01:12 AM |
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Can she say someone told her something when they didn't |
dkf |
Feb-25-08 01:35 AM |
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That's the crux of the biscuit. But there's no way to tell either way. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-25-08 12:21 AM |
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I have a feeling she may be asked about this. |
dkf |
Feb-25-08 12:23 AM |
#132 |
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That she was following standard SOP doesn't exactly mean that SOP is good n/t |
eridani |
Feb-24-08 10:20 PM |
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It's a bullshit smear story. |
tekisui |
Feb-24-08 10:40 PM |
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By saying that a 12 year old rape victim was "asking/hoping" for it? |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 11:01 PM |
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Thanks. I really appreciate your post. |
rodeodance |
Feb-24-08 11:00 PM |
#88 |
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Because you believe blaming 12 year old girls for 41 year old men attacking them |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 11:03 PM |
#94 |
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I have read your posts on this. I choose not to engage with you. |
rodeodance |
Feb-24-08 11:13 PM |
#100 |
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I don't blame you |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 11:22 PM |
#104 |
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That was an ASSumption on your part. Actually your posts are not worth my time. |
rodeodance |
Feb-24-08 11:33 PM |
#108 |
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PS: addition to OP > > > > |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Feb-24-08 11:16 PM |
#102 |
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Hillary LIED about a 12-year old girl to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:45 PM |
#113 |
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How exactly did you come up with this? |
lizzy |
Feb-25-08 12:13 AM |
#124 |
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The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall: |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-08 12:27 AM |
#134 |
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Everyone has a right to a defense. |
AX10 |
Feb-24-08 11:44 PM |
#112 |
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An ethical defense. Lying about a 12-year old is not ethical. |
dailykoff |
Feb-24-08 11:46 PM |
#114 |
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If you approve of blaming a 12 year old for their own rape by saying they "sought it" |
Yael |
Feb-24-08 11:57 PM |
#116 |
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I'm posting in this thread just as I have in others. |
peacebaby3 |
Feb-25-08 01:18 AM |
#151 |
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they admited the act took place... |
mckeown1128 |
Feb-25-08 08:49 AM |
#157 |
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They admitted that the two had sex. Until they made a deal, she was defending |
peacebaby3 |
Feb-25-08 12:14 PM |
#158 |
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That's not true. You're just plain wrong. |
Usrename |
Feb-25-08 05:08 AM |
#153 |
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BREAKING: Obama supporters win "Sleazies" award for 17th straight week. |
Perry Logan |
Feb-25-08 05:42 AM |
#154 |
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If it was the opposite, the Clintons people would be all over Obama for sexism. |
Mass |
Feb-25-08 07:24 AM |
#156 |
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what she did was right, ethical, and her duty. |
sepulveda |
Feb-25-08 11:46 PM |
#161 |
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