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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #88
94. Because you believe blaming 12 year old girls for 41 year old men attacking them
is a prudent thing?
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  -If you have a big problem with the" Hillary defends rapist" story... Kurt_and_Hunter  Feb-24-08 09:46 PM   #0 
  - k/r  emilyg   Feb-24-08 09:48 PM   #1 
  - K&R. Clinton acted completely ethically.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #2 
  - I heard Rush Limbaugh say the same thing last week  BeatleBoot   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #52 
  - Considering that the victim bears no ill will toward HRC, I fail to see  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #3 
  - 15 y old said he had sex with her - but she denied as she "liked the 15 y old" = hard to  papau   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #18 
  - 15 year old was not Hillary's client, so what difference does it make  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #58 
  - Hillary acted ethically. But the story isn't a hit piece, anymore than the story  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:14 PM   #59 
  - How do you not see this as a hit piece?  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:17 PM   #61 
     - For one thing, the article presents the story from a whole number of sides.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #89 
        - The documents in the case have been lost in the flood.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:13 PM   #101 
           - The July 28, 1975 affidavit where Hillary lies about the 12-year old was not lost.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:44 PM   #111 
  - But it is and frankly, brings HRC out in a good light. So thank you n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:02 AM   #120 
     - Instead of helping a 12-year old rape victim, HRC lied about her.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:04 AM   #121 
        - HRC lied and the court stayed silent? I find that unlikely. Of course  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:08 AM   #122 
           - Evidence:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:11 AM   #123 
              - I don't see any evidence in your post.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:16 AM   # 
              - She supplies no source and the victim denies Hillary's claims:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:19 AM   #128 
                 - I am tired of arguing with this nonsense.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:20 AM   #129 
                 - She gives one source: "an expert in child psychology"  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:24 AM   #133 
                    - You are confused.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:28 AM   #135 
                       - She gives no source for her claims about the girl, correct,  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:31 AM   #137 
                 - "I have been told..." She said she had been told, not that "this young  dorktv   Feb-25-08 01:01 AM   #148 
              - You post irrelevancies and call it evidence? Find me a statement  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:17 AM   #127 
                 - The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:21 AM   #130 
                    - You got bubkus. The victim wasn't cooperating at the time, HRC  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:33 AM   #139 
                       - So you're saying the victim is lying and invited the rape?  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:34 AM   #140 
                          - I'm saying the victim wasn't victimized by HRC n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:37 AM   #141 
                             - Hillary LIED about her, forced her to testify (yes, read the article),  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:41 AM   #143 
                                - HRC did her job as the court demanded. I call that public service  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 07:16 AM   #155 
  - Fredda, what the victim said has no bearing. Hillary behaved ethically by  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #50 
  - Of course the reflections of a first hand observer are relevant. And her  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-24-08 11:59 PM   #117 
  - The victim is still suffering...  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:31 PM   #72 
     - She doesn't blame HRC because HRC didn't victimize her. She  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:01 AM   #119 
  - Don't waste your breath...  RetroLounge   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #4 
  - You said it.  Bluebear   Feb-24-08 10:44 PM   #78 
  - i know--think i saw threads--I can't believe the comments I read--from DU members. I think  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #93 
  - I agree  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #5 
  - You can defend an "alleged rapist" without saying the victim was trolling for it  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #6 
  - Bingo.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #16 
  - False, It is either the best defense or it isn't.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #17 
  - She made her choice, now she gets to live with it.  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #23 
  - Yes, and we have the right to judge her actions...  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:19 PM   #65 
     - Even many mature Obamafolks were appaulled by comments on those threads. Shameful.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:10 PM   #98 
  - If she had to go to that defense then she must not have had much to go with  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #36 
     - Public defenders almost always have very little to work with  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 10:10 PM   #54 
        - Blamed a 12 year old for a 41 year old raping them?  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #92 
  - That's what bothers me about this story  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #25 
  - Going for the jugular when there is no need for that  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #32 
  - Thank you! Very well put! People are missing the most important points  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:03 PM   #39 
  - People are not missing the points because the points are not true.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #44 
  - You're welcome -- it seems some ppl don't think it was rape if the boy was 15  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:07 PM   #45 
     - Taylor (the rapist) was 41. The 15-year old was a third party:  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:10 PM   #53 
     - Again, 15 year old was not her client.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:11 PM   #55 
  - Your post should be a new topic. It deserves a lot of visibility. nt  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:05 PM   #41 
  - I don't know how you could have possibly gleaned that,  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #42 
     - How exactly does "she pursued him" as a defense NOT acknowledge it?  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #51 
  - Would you be so kind as to provide where Hillary said she was trolling for it?  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:32 PM   #107 
  - The controversy isn't about her doing her job, it's her choice of clients.  MercutioATC   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #7 
  - I think I read that this was court assigned.  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:51 PM   #8 
  - I just read it again, and you're correct.  MercutioATC   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #12 
  - She was a public defender.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #10 
  - My understanding is that she was court-appointed.  ocelot   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #11 
  - The article says she tried to turn down the case but the judge  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:34 PM   #73 
     - She CHOSE to blame the victim on this.  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #80 
        - The rapist didn't admit to sex  creeksneakers2   Feb-25-08 05:09 PM   #159 
  - No, it's about her choice of tactics. The one she chose was wrong, like torture.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #20 
  - She was assigned as a public defender.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:04 PM   #40 
  - Profound thanks. Recommended.  JohnnyLib2   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #9 
  - If she had evidence it was true  sandnsea   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #13 
  - As a hillary hater I have to agree with this  Egnever   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #14 
  - You are mischaracterising the complaints...  mckeown1128   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #15 
  - It would be unethical to not do everything you can to get your client off IMO  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #24 
  - the 15 yr old admitted to being sought out and raping her - where is problem?  papau   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #26 
  - 15 year old was not her client.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #49 
  - The rapist Clinton defended was the 41 yr old, not the 15 yr old. n/t  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 10:16 PM   #60 
  - It is not unethical  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #33 
  - It is illegal if it is a lie  sandnsea   Feb-24-08 10:07 PM   #46 
  - Legal ethics and ethical behavior are two standards,  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #47 
  - The article isn't clear  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:38 PM   #74 
  - Thank you  quakerboy   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #19 
  - You're right about one thing  lynyrd_skynyrd   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #21 
  - Obama never tried to tear apart a 12 year old rape victim.  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #22 
  - What is it about the tactics used that is escaping people about this?  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #27 
  - Probably the DU "Bash Rape Victims" squad  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:23 PM   #70 
     - She was 12, he was 41  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:52 PM   #81 
  - no - indeed he was in bed with slum landlords that refuse to repair/make livable the units  papau   Feb-24-08 09:58 PM   #30 
  - Thanks K&H  seasonedblue   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #28 
  - I agree 100% percent. I support Obama, but I really really support the right of an accused person to  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 09:58 PM   #29 
  - You would support an attorney going after a 12 year old girl by saying  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #37 
     - Guilt was never proved except the fonding charge the defendant copped a plea to.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:42 PM   #76 
        - My argument on this is tactics  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #83 
           - I hate being forced to defend Hill. the same thing happened in the 90's Everything  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:19 PM   #103 
              - Hilly lied about a 12-year old to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:40 PM   #109 
                 - The problem is that there is no proof that Hillary wasn't informed about this, by  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:15 AM   #125 
                    - No source is named in the affidavit and the victim was shocked to read the charges:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:29 AM   #136 
                       - But hill didn't attribute the information to the victim, she attributed it to some unnamed  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:42 AM   #144 
                          - Lying about a 12-year old is unethical. The victim, now an adult, called it a lie.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:43 AM   #145 
                             - The fact the victim says she never made any other allegations doesn't mean the childs teacher didn't  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 01:06 AM   #149 
  - Who the hell are you to tell anyone to switch parties?  KAZ   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #31 
  - Point taken and title changed  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #57 
     - Thanks Kurt!  KAZ   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #62 
     - Thank you  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #84 
  - Yes,this is just how the law is we all are allowed representation. Being hard on the kid could be...  cooolandrew   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #34 
  - Being hard on the kid IS the issue that some of us are standing up for  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #38 
     - The client denied anything happened at all n/t  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:44 PM   #77 
        - The 41 year old client admitted that he had sex with a 12 year old girl  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:56 PM   #85 
           - It's a false claim on your part.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:05 PM   #97 
           - The victim sure doesn't think it's a false claim.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:42 PM   #110 
           - From the article:  creeksneakers2   Feb-25-08 05:32 PM   #160 
  - Agreed  proud2Blib   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #35 
  - I heard the Vince Foster "Scandal" isn't going away either  BeatleBoot   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #43 
  - Oh please, poor Hillary! They made her blame the victim!  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #48 
  - She basically went to the dark side.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:21 PM   #69 
  - Well done.  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:58 PM   #86 
  - It speaks to her priorities, Maybe she should have refused the case, instead she cashed the check  Johnny__Motown   Feb-24-08 10:12 PM   #56 
  - The thing is, if the court appoints you to defense you can't just say, no thanks, I'd rather not.  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 10:19 PM   #66 
  - The tactics you employ ARE your choice  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:59 PM   #87 
     - He didn't admit to "the act."  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:04 PM   #96 
     - Actually no he didn't admit to it and I'm not defending anything in the defense. But the idea of  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 11:12 PM   #99 
  - She was a PUBLIC DEFENDER.  RetroLounge   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #67 
  - I'm an Obama supporter and I think this a non-issue.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #63 
  - She was ready to tear a 12-year old rape victim apart on the witness stand  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:25 PM   #71 
     - 32 years ago! Yes!  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 10:46 PM   #79 
        - The problem is that there's a higher standard than the way the law works.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:53 PM   #82 
           - I bet neither you nor any Obama supporter would say that if it were your case  depakid   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #91 
              - What if it was her 12-year old daughter who was raped?  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:04 PM   #95 
  - Do all defense attorneys say that 12 year old rape victims "asked for it"?  dkf   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #64 
  - Please post from the article where Hill said "she asked for it." You are reading other posts above  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:23 PM   #105 
     - From the article.  dkf   Feb-24-08 11:26 PM   #106 
        - Yes, she's implying the victim made it up, and she's asking for a psych evaluation to  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:49 PM   #115 
           - I guess the question is where did she get the information  dkf   Feb-25-08 12:00 AM   #118 
              - From an unnamed "expert in child psychology"  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:16 AM   #126 
              - No, you are misreading. The information about 'previous accusations' isn't  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:31 AM   #138 
                 - Hillary lied about the girl's claims. The girl said so herself this fall.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:37 AM   #142 
                    - We should do away with courts and just rely on reporters and memories that  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:53 AM   #146 
                       - JQ, Hilly did not substantiate her claim and the victim denies it.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:58 AM   #147 
                          - When a motion is filed, substanciation isn't required. That's why before someone  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 01:12 AM   #150 
                             - Can she say someone told her something when they didn't  dkf   Feb-25-08 01:35 AM   #152 
              - That's the crux of the biscuit. But there's no way to tell either way.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:21 AM   #131 
                 - I have a feeling she may be asked about this.  dkf   Feb-25-08 12:23 AM   #132 
  - That she was following standard SOP doesn't exactly mean that SOP is good n/t  eridani   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #68 
  - It's a bullshit smear story.  tekisui   Feb-24-08 10:40 PM   #75 
  - By saying that a 12 year old rape victim was "asking/hoping" for it?  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #90 
  - Thanks. I really appreciate your post.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:00 PM   #88 
  - Because you believe blaming 12 year old girls for 41 year old men attacking them  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:03 PM   #94 
     - I have read your posts on this. I choose not to engage with you.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:13 PM   #100 
        - I don't blame you  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:22 PM   #104 
           - That was an ASSumption on your part. Actually your posts are not worth my time.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:33 PM   #108 
  - PS: addition to OP > > > >  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 11:16 PM   #102 
  - Hillary LIED about a 12-year old girl to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:45 PM   #113 
     - How exactly did you come up with this?  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:13 AM   #124 
        - The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:27 AM   #134 
  - Everyone has a right to a defense.  AX10   Feb-24-08 11:44 PM   #112 
  - An ethical defense. Lying about a 12-year old is not ethical.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:46 PM   #114 
  - If you approve of blaming a 12 year old for their own rape by saying they "sought it"  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:57 PM   #116 
  - I'm posting in this thread just as I have in others.  peacebaby3   Feb-25-08 01:18 AM   #151 
  - they admited the act took place...  mckeown1128   Feb-25-08 08:49 AM   #157 
     - They admitted that the two had sex. Until they made a deal, she was defending  peacebaby3   Feb-25-08 12:14 PM   #158 
  - That's not true. You're just plain wrong.  Usrename   Feb-25-08 05:08 AM   #153 
  - BREAKING: Obama supporters win "Sleazies" award for 17th straight week.  Perry Logan   Feb-25-08 05:42 AM   #154 
  - If it was the opposite, the Clintons people would be all over Obama for sexism.  Mass   Feb-25-08 07:24 AM   #156 
  - what she did was right, ethical, and her duty.  sepulveda   Feb-25-08 11:46 PM   #161 

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