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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:38 PM
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74. The article isn't clear
but says Hillary had the 12 year old examined at the college she worked for. The claim that the girl sought out sex with older men could have come from the examiners. Then Hillary would have no way of not using the evidence.
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  -If you have a big problem with the" Hillary defends rapist" story... Kurt_and_Hunter  Feb-24-08 09:46 PM   #0 
  - k/r  emilyg   Feb-24-08 09:48 PM   #1 
  - K&R. Clinton acted completely ethically.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #2 
  - I heard Rush Limbaugh say the same thing last week  BeatleBoot   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #52 
  - Considering that the victim bears no ill will toward HRC, I fail to see  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #3 
  - 15 y old said he had sex with her - but she denied as she "liked the 15 y old" = hard to  papau   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #18 
  - 15 year old was not Hillary's client, so what difference does it make  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #58 
  - Hillary acted ethically. But the story isn't a hit piece, anymore than the story  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:14 PM   #59 
  - How do you not see this as a hit piece?  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:17 PM   #61 
     - For one thing, the article presents the story from a whole number of sides.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #89 
        - The documents in the case have been lost in the flood.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:13 PM   #101 
           - The July 28, 1975 affidavit where Hillary lies about the 12-year old was not lost.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:44 PM   #111 
  - But it is and frankly, brings HRC out in a good light. So thank you n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:02 AM   #120 
     - Instead of helping a 12-year old rape victim, HRC lied about her.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:04 AM   #121 
        - HRC lied and the court stayed silent? I find that unlikely. Of course  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:08 AM   #122 
           - Evidence:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:11 AM   #123 
              - I don't see any evidence in your post.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:16 AM   # 
              - She supplies no source and the victim denies Hillary's claims:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:19 AM   #128 
                 - I am tired of arguing with this nonsense.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:20 AM   #129 
                 - She gives one source: "an expert in child psychology"  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:24 AM   #133 
                    - You are confused.  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:28 AM   #135 
                       - She gives no source for her claims about the girl, correct,  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:31 AM   #137 
                 - "I have been told..." She said she had been told, not that "this young  dorktv   Feb-25-08 01:01 AM   #148 
              - You post irrelevancies and call it evidence? Find me a statement  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:17 AM   #127 
                 - The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:21 AM   #130 
                    - You got bubkus. The victim wasn't cooperating at the time, HRC  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:33 AM   #139 
                       - So you're saying the victim is lying and invited the rape?  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:34 AM   #140 
                          - I'm saying the victim wasn't victimized by HRC n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:37 AM   #141 
                             - Hillary LIED about her, forced her to testify (yes, read the article),  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:41 AM   #143 
                                - HRC did her job as the court demanded. I call that public service  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 07:16 AM   #155 
  - Fredda, what the victim said has no bearing. Hillary behaved ethically by  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #50 
  - Of course the reflections of a first hand observer are relevant. And her  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-24-08 11:59 PM   #117 
  - The victim is still suffering...  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:31 PM   #72 
     - She doesn't blame HRC because HRC didn't victimize her. She  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-25-08 12:01 AM   #119 
  - Don't waste your breath...  RetroLounge   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #4 
  - You said it.  Bluebear   Feb-24-08 10:44 PM   #78 
  - i know--think i saw threads--I can't believe the comments I read--from DU members. I think  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #93 
  - I agree  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:49 PM   #5 
  - You can defend an "alleged rapist" without saying the victim was trolling for it  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #6 
  - Bingo.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #16 
  - False, It is either the best defense or it isn't.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #17 
  - She made her choice, now she gets to live with it.  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #23 
  - Yes, and we have the right to judge her actions...  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:19 PM   #65 
     - Even many mature Obamafolks were appaulled by comments on those threads. Shameful.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:10 PM   #98 
  - If she had to go to that defense then she must not have had much to go with  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #36 
     - Public defenders almost always have very little to work with  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 10:10 PM   #54 
        - Blamed a 12 year old for a 41 year old raping them?  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #92 
  - That's what bothers me about this story  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #25 
  - Going for the jugular when there is no need for that  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #32 
  - Thank you! Very well put! People are missing the most important points  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:03 PM   #39 
  - People are not missing the points because the points are not true.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #44 
  - You're welcome -- it seems some ppl don't think it was rape if the boy was 15  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:07 PM   #45 
     - Taylor (the rapist) was 41. The 15-year old was a third party:  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:10 PM   #53 
     - Again, 15 year old was not her client.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:11 PM   #55 
  - Your post should be a new topic. It deserves a lot of visibility. nt  Quixote1818   Feb-24-08 10:05 PM   #41 
  - I don't know how you could have possibly gleaned that,  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #42 
     - How exactly does "she pursued him" as a defense NOT acknowledge it?  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #51 
  - Would you be so kind as to provide where Hillary said she was trolling for it?  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:32 PM   #107 
  - The controversy isn't about her doing her job, it's her choice of clients.  MercutioATC   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #7 
  - I think I read that this was court assigned.  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:51 PM   #8 
  - I just read it again, and you're correct.  MercutioATC   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #12 
  - She was a public defender.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #10 
  - My understanding is that she was court-appointed.  ocelot   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #11 
  - The article says she tried to turn down the case but the judge  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:34 PM   #73 
     - She CHOSE to blame the victim on this.  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #80 
        - The rapist didn't admit to sex  creeksneakers2   Feb-25-08 05:09 PM   #159 
  - No, it's about her choice of tactics. The one she chose was wrong, like torture.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #20 
  - She was assigned as a public defender.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:04 PM   #40 
  - Profound thanks. Recommended.  JohnnyLib2   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #9 
  - If she had evidence it was true  sandnsea   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #13 
  - As a hillary hater I have to agree with this  Egnever   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #14 
  - You are mischaracterising the complaints...  mckeown1128   Feb-24-08 09:54 PM   #15 
  - It would be unethical to not do everything you can to get your client off IMO  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #24 
  - the 15 yr old admitted to being sought out and raping her - where is problem?  papau   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #26 
  - 15 year old was not her client.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #49 
  - The rapist Clinton defended was the 41 yr old, not the 15 yr old. n/t  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 10:16 PM   #60 
  - It is not unethical  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #33 
  - It is illegal if it is a lie  sandnsea   Feb-24-08 10:07 PM   #46 
  - Legal ethics and ethical behavior are two standards,  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #47 
  - The article isn't clear  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:38 PM   #74 
  - Thank you  quakerboy   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #19 
  - You're right about one thing  lynyrd_skynyrd   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #21 
  - Obama never tried to tear apart a 12 year old rape victim.  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #22 
  - What is it about the tactics used that is escaping people about this?  Yael   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #27 
  - Probably the DU "Bash Rape Victims" squad  Firespirit   Feb-24-08 10:23 PM   #70 
     - She was 12, he was 41  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:52 PM   #81 
  - no - indeed he was in bed with slum landlords that refuse to repair/make livable the units  papau   Feb-24-08 09:58 PM   #30 
  - Thanks K&H  seasonedblue   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #28 
  - I agree 100% percent. I support Obama, but I really really support the right of an accused person to  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 09:58 PM   #29 
  - You would support an attorney going after a 12 year old girl by saying  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #37 
     - Guilt was never proved except the fonding charge the defendant copped a plea to.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 10:42 PM   #76 
        - My argument on this is tactics  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #83 
           - I hate being forced to defend Hill. the same thing happened in the 90's Everything  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:19 PM   #103 
              - Hilly lied about a 12-year old to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:40 PM   #109 
                 - The problem is that there is no proof that Hillary wasn't informed about this, by  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:15 AM   #125 
                    - No source is named in the affidavit and the victim was shocked to read the charges:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:29 AM   #136 
                       - But hill didn't attribute the information to the victim, she attributed it to some unnamed  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:42 AM   #144 
                          - Lying about a 12-year old is unethical. The victim, now an adult, called it a lie.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:43 AM   #145 
                             - The fact the victim says she never made any other allegations doesn't mean the childs teacher didn't  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 01:06 AM   #149 
  - Who the hell are you to tell anyone to switch parties?  KAZ   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #31 
  - Point taken and title changed  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #57 
     - Thanks Kurt!  KAZ   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #62 
     - Thank you  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #84 
  - Yes,this is just how the law is we all are allowed representation. Being hard on the kid could be...  cooolandrew   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #34 
  - Being hard on the kid IS the issue that some of us are standing up for  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #38 
     - The client denied anything happened at all n/t  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-08 10:44 PM   #77 
        - The 41 year old client admitted that he had sex with a 12 year old girl  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:56 PM   #85 
           - It's a false claim on your part.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:05 PM   #97 
           - The victim sure doesn't think it's a false claim.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:42 PM   #110 
           - From the article:  creeksneakers2   Feb-25-08 05:32 PM   #160 
  - Agreed  proud2Blib   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #35 
  - I heard the Vince Foster "Scandal" isn't going away either  BeatleBoot   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #43 
  - Oh please, poor Hillary! They made her blame the victim!  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #48 
  - She basically went to the dark side.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:21 PM   #69 
  - Well done.  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:58 PM   #86 
  - It speaks to her priorities, Maybe she should have refused the case, instead she cashed the check  Johnny__Motown   Feb-24-08 10:12 PM   #56 
  - The thing is, if the court appoints you to defense you can't just say, no thanks, I'd rather not.  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 10:19 PM   #66 
  - The tactics you employ ARE your choice  Yael   Feb-24-08 10:59 PM   #87 
     - He didn't admit to "the act."  lizzy   Feb-24-08 11:04 PM   #96 
     - Actually no he didn't admit to it and I'm not defending anything in the defense. But the idea of  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 11:12 PM   #99 
  - She was a PUBLIC DEFENDER.  RetroLounge   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #67 
  - I'm an Obama supporter and I think this a non-issue.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #63 
  - She was ready to tear a 12-year old rape victim apart on the witness stand  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:25 PM   #71 
     - 32 years ago! Yes!  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 10:46 PM   #79 
        - The problem is that there's a higher standard than the way the law works.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:53 PM   #82 
           - I bet neither you nor any Obama supporter would say that if it were your case  depakid   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #91 
              - What if it was her 12-year old daughter who was raped?  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:04 PM   #95 
  - Do all defense attorneys say that 12 year old rape victims "asked for it"?  dkf   Feb-24-08 10:18 PM   #64 
  - Please post from the article where Hill said "she asked for it." You are reading other posts above  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:23 PM   #105 
     - From the article.  dkf   Feb-24-08 11:26 PM   #106 
        - Yes, she's implying the victim made it up, and she's asking for a psych evaluation to  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 11:49 PM   #115 
           - I guess the question is where did she get the information  dkf   Feb-25-08 12:00 AM   #118 
              - From an unnamed "expert in child psychology"  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:16 AM   #126 
              - No, you are misreading. The information about 'previous accusations' isn't  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:31 AM   #138 
                 - Hillary lied about the girl's claims. The girl said so herself this fall.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:37 AM   #142 
                    - We should do away with courts and just rely on reporters and memories that  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:53 AM   #146 
                       - JQ, Hilly did not substantiate her claim and the victim denies it.  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:58 AM   #147 
                          - When a motion is filed, substanciation isn't required. That's why before someone  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 01:12 AM   #150 
                             - Can she say someone told her something when they didn't  dkf   Feb-25-08 01:35 AM   #152 
              - That's the crux of the biscuit. But there's no way to tell either way.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-25-08 12:21 AM   #131 
                 - I have a feeling she may be asked about this.  dkf   Feb-25-08 12:23 AM   #132 
  - That she was following standard SOP doesn't exactly mean that SOP is good n/t  eridani   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #68 
  - It's a bullshit smear story.  tekisui   Feb-24-08 10:40 PM   #75 
  - By saying that a 12 year old rape victim was "asking/hoping" for it?  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #90 
  - Thanks. I really appreciate your post.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:00 PM   #88 
  - Because you believe blaming 12 year old girls for 41 year old men attacking them  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:03 PM   #94 
     - I have read your posts on this. I choose not to engage with you.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:13 PM   #100 
        - I don't blame you  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:22 PM   #104 
           - That was an ASSumption on your part. Actually your posts are not worth my time.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 11:33 PM   #108 
  - PS: addition to OP > > > >  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 11:16 PM   #102 
  - Hillary LIED about a 12-year old girl to get a 41-year old rapist off the hook.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:45 PM   #113 
     - How exactly did you come up with this?  lizzy   Feb-25-08 12:13 AM   #124 
        - The victim herself denied Hillary's claims this fall:  dailykoff   Feb-25-08 12:27 AM   #134 
  - Everyone has a right to a defense.  AX10   Feb-24-08 11:44 PM   #112 
  - An ethical defense. Lying about a 12-year old is not ethical.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 11:46 PM   #114 
  - If you approve of blaming a 12 year old for their own rape by saying they "sought it"  Yael   Feb-24-08 11:57 PM   #116 
  - I'm posting in this thread just as I have in others.  peacebaby3   Feb-25-08 01:18 AM   #151 
  - they admited the act took place...  mckeown1128   Feb-25-08 08:49 AM   #157 
     - They admitted that the two had sex. Until they made a deal, she was defending  peacebaby3   Feb-25-08 12:14 PM   #158 
  - That's not true. You're just plain wrong.  Usrename   Feb-25-08 05:08 AM   #153 
  - BREAKING: Obama supporters win "Sleazies" award for 17th straight week.  Perry Logan   Feb-25-08 05:42 AM   #154 
  - If it was the opposite, the Clintons people would be all over Obama for sexism.  Mass   Feb-25-08 07:24 AM   #156 
  - what she did was right, ethical, and her duty.  sepulveda   Feb-25-08 11:46 PM   #161 
 

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