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Reply #39: Here's the analysis I posted in an earlier thread-Clinton was out of control on this case [View All]

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39. Here's the analysis I posted in an earlier thread-Clinton was out of control on this case
Read a 4 page article with many facts of the case at:

www.newsday.com/news/nationworld
There are many things ethically wrong and questionable with how she handled this case.
I'm a retired atty. who did civil trial work, taught at a law school where I was co-director of a legal aid clinic for the poor, & then went on to work for state govt. I read the entire original article (and had read Clinton's book) and here's my view of what happened.


The rape occurred no earlier than 2 a.m. The accused rapist (Clinton plea bargained him down to 10 months for unlawful fondling ) was described as a hard drinking man who, on the advice of his jailhouse friends, demanded a female lawyer - thinking it would get him points with a jury.

"At 4:50 a.m., the girl walked into a local emergency room, badly shaken. The doctor's report noted that she had injuries consistent with rape. Sgt. Dale Gibson, the department's lead investigator in the case, interviewed her as she huddled with her mother. She offered a chilling detail - a threat from Taylor and his friends. "If I did say anything about it, they would catch me out later," she told the investigator."

Read the entire article, please. It is chock full of details to show you how revolting Clinton's handling of this case was. At that time Clinton was director of the Legal Aid Clinic. This is significant for a number of reasons.

1. She could have handed the case off to someone else.

2. She had no legal trial experience and was required by the code of professional conduct to either refuse to take the case, or get co-counsel with adequate criminal/rape trial experience.

3. Legal aid clinics (based at the law school) have quite limited budgets. As Director, she had to
parcel out her limited resources so that the maximum number of indigents could be represented. She invested time and funds into this case as though it were a capital murder trial.

This 12 year old received a hospital examination at 4:30 a.m., a few hours after she was raped.It provided evidence of rape. At that point, an accused rapist & his attorney can CHOOSE from 2 mutually exclusive defenses. Either he can argue it was concensual sex, or deny he was the perpetrator.

Clinton, acting like a bulldog, according to other lawyers there at the time, pursued BOTH defenses, and mounted such an aggressive defense, local lawyers commented it would have been appropriate for a capital murder trial. She hired a New York based forensic expert to "cast doubt on the evidence" - imagine that. How many Arkansas indigent defendants had an expert brought all the way from New York? That must have cost thousands of dollars of the clinic's limited budget. That kind of money would have and should have been spent on behalf of things like pursuing deadbeats for child support, or helping indigents with landlord tenant or health care issues, or paying LOCAL psychologists in child abuse cases. And any trial lawyer will tell you that when it comes to selecting an expert/hired gun for the battle of the experts, you are much better off to go with someone as local as possible - at least from the same state. This is because the judges and juries are suspicious of outsiders and partial to locals.Note all her hired gun expert could do was "cast doubt". Even with this expensive expert witness, Clinton couldn't get the evidence thrown out. She also went after the victim and argued that the girl "was attracted to older men" and had a history of claiming personal attacks and lying. The evidence of record does not offer any proof of those arguments.

During her first few months on the case, Rodham fired off no fewer than 19 subpoenas, affidavits and motions - almost as much paper as was typical for a capital murder case that year, according to case files on microfilm. She successfully petitioned to obtain Taylor's underwear for independent testing after the state medical examiner found traces of semen and blood. (Again, more fees to be paid for by the law clinic.) She also secured Taylor's release on $5,000 bond after getting his boss at the factory to vouch for him. (If he had run off, the Clinic would have had to pay off that bond.)
But the record shows that Rodham was also intent on questioning the girl's credibility. That line of defense crystallized in a July 28, 1975, affidavit requesting the girl undergo a psychiatric examination at the university's clinic.

"I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing," wrote Rodham, without referring to the source of that allegation. "I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body."

(Strange choice of language, "I have been informed", hearsay, even with a named source and she didn't identify her source -could have been her own client!)rather than my psychiatric expert will testify".
Dale Gibson, the investigator, doesn't recall seeing evidence that the girl had fabricated previous attacks. The assistant prosecutor who handled much of the case for Mahlon Gibson died several years ago. The prosecutor's files on the case, which would have included such details, were destroyed more than decade ago when a flood swept through the county archives, Mahlon Gibson said. Those files also would have included the forensics evidence referenced in "Living History."

Prior to this, in the early '70's, Clinton studied at Yale's renowned child study center to identify physical and behavioral clues of child abuse. Her fluency on the topic is evident in the Arkansas court filings: "I have . . . been told by an expert in child psychology that children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experience and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant's, are even much more prone to such behavior. . . .she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way."
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So here we see Clinton substituting Clinton's own evaluation of the child's behavior as though Clinton were an independent court appointed psychologist. This whole case just stinks!

And any of us who have suffered through the terrible 12's with an adolescent daughter know that nearly all 12 year old girls are prone to exaggeration, romanticization, stubbornness and temper. Does that mean that if they are raped, they are not to be believed, even in the presence of medical evidence of rape?

I think Clinton included the self-flattering account of this case in her book because it was a time bomb in her history and she wanted to defuse it. There is no logical connection between having gotten this man off with 10 months in jail, and being inspired to start a rape hotline. This young girl didn't need and would not have benefitted from a rape hotline. Her mother got her to the hospital within hours of the rape. I think Rape Hotlines are very important - I just fail to see how this particular case would have inspired Clinton to instigate one.

Having read the entire account of this convoluted case, I think the 40 something "heavy drinker" was guilty as sin, and that Clinton knew it. So it could have been her attempt to neutralize any damage to her future reputation to be able to say, "But I started a rape hotline."

One final comment. We see Clinton exhibit poor strategy decisions, failing to take into account the local situation, and squandering money on hotshot experts. Fast forward to her current campaign consultants and failure to control her campaign funds.

One law professor commented that criminal was lucky to have Clinton for an attorney. "In terms of what's good for the little girl? It would have been hell on the victim. But that wasn't Hilary's problem." The victim says it was her mother, who had recently been abandoned by her husband, who pushed for a quick plea deal to avoid the humiliation of having her daughter testify in open court. The mother, who died several years ago, was so eager to end the ordeal she coached her daughter's statements and interrupted interviews with police, Dale Gibson recalls.

"We both wanted it to be over with," the victim told Newsday. "They kept asking me the same questions over and over. I was crying all the time."





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  Hillary Defended Rapist against 12 Year old girl? KhaOZ  Feb-24-08 08:06 PM   #0 
   Googled and found this Link  KhaOZ   Feb-24-08 08:07 PM   #1 
   Dear God - Clinton Used The "Little Slut Wanted It Bad" Defense  MannyGoldstein   Feb-24-08 08:13 PM   #9 
   Questioning the character of the accuser is a common tactic in rape trials.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:16 PM   #12 
   Imagine if she was your daughter. Would you want that defense lawyer as your President?  KhaOZ   Feb-24-08 08:22 PM   #25 
   Speaking as an American, if I learned that she had  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:25 PM   #29 
   Of course not.  ekwhite   Feb-24-08 08:25 PM   #30 
   Are You Sure That's The Standard Defense? [nt]  MannyGoldstein   Feb-24-08 08:24 PM   #26 
   Are you that cold and callous?  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 08:30 PM   #34 
   Are you that cold and callous?  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 08:30 PM   #35 
   moral? bull-shit. The victim was a 12yr old girl- she was not given  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:21 PM   #88 
      "even if an attorney KNOWS without doubt that their client is guilty..."  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #107 
      is "justice" served when a guilty person goes free? Is "justice"  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #120 
         No, which is why guilt and innocence cannot be left up to the judgement of one  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:00 PM   #125 
      15 yr old said he had sex with her - but 12 yr old denied it as she "liked him"  papau   Feb-24-08 10:50 PM   #158 
   Terrible....  OhioChick   Feb-24-08 08:21 PM   #24 
   That's a great article.  goodgd_yall   Feb-24-08 09:01 PM   #62 
   girl told provable lies& Hillary pointing this out was wrong? (older man was 15 yr old lover?)  papau   Feb-24-08 10:49 PM   #157 
   Yes, it's true. Now tell me,  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:08 PM   #2 
   Only if it's Hillary, apparently.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 08:12 PM   #8 
   Read  KhaOZ   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   #18 
   of course not...I should tell my best friend to stop doing that since  dorktv   Feb-24-08 08:16 PM   #14 
   What are the facts of the case?  Elrond HubbardDU Moderator   Feb-24-08 08:09 PM   #3 
   Even if he was guilty, that doesn't change a thing.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:11 PM   #4 
   That's true. Being a defense attorney, you sometimes have to defend some real dirtbags.  Elrond HubbardDU Moderator   Feb-24-08 08:12 PM   #7 
   Is this the only strategy she had?  Zueda   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   # 
   No. And alternative tactics would have, in her calculation, been less effective,  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:20 PM   #23 
      "...in her calculation"  Zueda   Feb-24-08 08:42 PM   #44 
   I'm with you on this. There are much better reasons to vote for Barack over Hill than the fact  John Q. Citizen   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   #19 
   Hillary Clinton did not need to rip into this little girl...  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 08:36 PM   #40 
   It never got to the point where anyone had to be put on the stand.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 08:57 PM   #58 
      Emotional people. They lost touch with rational thought.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:00 PM   #61 
      She was prepared to. The affidavit apparently still exists.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:23 PM   #92 
         If she really did have sources telling her these things, what  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:26 PM   #95 
            Look, ordering up a psychiatric evaluation of a 12-year old rape victim  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:31 PM   #99 
               In order to accomplish the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to legal defense.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:51 PM   #110 
               Wrong. There are plenty of ethical avenues she could have pursued.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:52 PM   #111 
                  If she believed they would not be as effective, such avenues would not be ethical.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:53 PM   #113 
                     She was under no legal obligation to destroy a 12-year old rape victim  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #115 
                        She was under the legal obligation to provide the strongest defense possible. If the  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:57 PM   #119 
                           And she chose a tactic that is unconscionable and WRONG.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #126 
                              If she believed it would be the strongest possible defense, it was the ethically correct decision.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #128 
                                 By the code of lawyer's conduct, possibly. By any humane standard, NO.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:05 PM   #132 
                                    There's a reason defense lawyers have a bad reputation.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:11 PM   #136 
                                       They'd do it for any of us if need be,  mycritters2   Feb-24-08 10:34 PM   #149 
                                          Indeed. Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:35 PM   #151 
                                             I used to do victim-offender mediations. I developed a very deep respect  mycritters2   Feb-24-08 10:37 PM   #153 
               I don't know, maybe you missed it, but in this country,  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #114 
                  Blaming a 12-year old rape victim for her own rape is WRONG.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #123 
                     Do persons accused of crimes only possess their  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:02 PM   #127 
                     Well, Hillary didn't do anything of the sort.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 10:03 PM   #129 
                        The July 28, 1975, affidavit says otherwise.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:12 PM   #137 
   An atty. who learns her client is guilty can ask to be recused from the case.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 08:43 PM   #46 
      There is no indication whatsoever that she learned her  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:22 PM   #90 
   If you rape a 12-year-old  XemaSab   Feb-24-08 09:15 PM   #85 
      he still deserves to have a competent defense attorney.  Elrond HubbardDU Moderator   Feb-24-08 09:33 PM   #101 
      There's competent and there's compassionate  XemaSab   Feb-24-08 11:27 PM   #162 
      If you are an American,  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 09:53 PM   #112 
         I totally agree  XemaSab   Feb-24-08 11:28 PM   #163 
   Even if true, that is called being a good lawyer  ekwhite   Feb-24-08 08:11 PM   #5 
   Yikes....  Me_Shell   Feb-24-08 08:24 PM   #27 
      Guess what. Little girls can lie about rape. It happens. Check this out...  FormerRushFan   Feb-24-08 08:35 PM   #38 
      Read the article  goodgd_yall   Feb-24-08 09:19 PM   #87 
   Oh, for fuck's sake n/t  Der Blaue Engel   Feb-24-08 08:12 PM   #6 
   What part of "acting as a court-appointed attorney" ...  NanceGreggs   Feb-24-08 08:14 PM   #10 
   She was - gasp - doing her job?  ekwhite   Feb-24-08 08:34 PM   #36 
   Hillary was doing her job, and providing a service guaranteed  tekisui   Feb-24-08 08:14 PM   #11 
   Define "garunteed"  JimGinPA   Feb-24-08 08:16 PM   #13 
      Thanks, I fixed it.  tekisui   Feb-24-08 08:18 PM   #20 
   This place is getting to be more fun than the National Enquirer!  depakid   Feb-24-08 08:16 PM   #15 
   Yes - it may even be getting to Weekly World News Standards  ekwhite   Feb-24-08 08:37 PM   #42 
   There is truly no hope for this forum  LeftCoast   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   #16 
   It's not so fun to come here that often anymore. I had hoped this would have been a safe place.  goldcanyonaz   Feb-24-08 08:19 PM   #22 
   How many times is it necessary to post this?  QC   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   #17 
   Democracy means even people who are guilty need to be defended.  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 08:18 PM   #21 
   And it means we dont' have to elect people who would go to such lengths to discredit a Rape Victim  KhaOZ   Feb-24-08 08:25 PM   #28 
   Why do you think she did it?  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 08:26 PM   #31 
   do you reconcile this with your admiration of her defense of women and children?  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:03 PM   #64 
   Court- appointed attorney.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 08:27 PM   #32 
   But to play the "Dirty Slut Wanted it" card? Did the court appoint her to do that too?  KhaOZ   Feb-24-08 08:34 PM   #37 
      You defend your client to the best of your ability. THAT IS A DUTY!  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 08:39 PM   #43 
      win at any cost? - sounds familiar.  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:12 PM   #79 
         I'm not a Hillary supporter, but I do believe in upholding the Consitution.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:27 PM   #96 
            I'm not arguing the "Obama/Hillary" issue- I am responding to the  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:50 PM   #108 
               read the article.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #117 
                  I did-  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:58 PM   #121 
                     Yep.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 10:00 PM   #124 
      .  Bluebear   Feb-24-08 09:08 PM   #71 
   That is the work of an attorney.  JDPriestly   Feb-24-08 08:29 PM   #33 
   But the man raped a little girl!  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 08:45 PM   #49 
      Forgot the "Innocent until proven guilty part" huh? n/t  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 08:46 PM   #50 
      What in the hell are you talking about????????  TwoSparkles   Feb-24-08 08:50 PM   #52 
         Nowhere in the article does it say the man admitted  lizzy   Feb-24-08 08:53 PM   #53 
         She never claimed that the girl "wanted it" at all.  PeaceNikki   Feb-24-08 08:57 PM   #57 
            she may not have used those words, but the intent is clear, and was not  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:08 PM   #70 
               The victim in this case does not harbor the ill-will that you seem to.  PeaceNikki   Feb-24-08 09:11 PM   #77 
                  as a survivor myself- I DO have a concept- and I  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:27 PM   #97 
         Everyone has a right to a vigorous defense.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 08:54 PM   #54 
      I don't know what it is you were reading.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 08:54 PM   #55 
      You are correct in finding the man's conduct abhorrent.  JDPriestly   Feb-25-08 04:22 PM   #169 
   Here's the analysis I posted in an earlier thread-Clinton was out of control on this case  Divernan   Feb-24-08 08:35 PM   #39 
   Out of control? I believe that the Word of the Day is "unhinged."  QC   Feb-24-08 08:42 PM   #45 
   OMG? She hired a forensic expert to examine the evidence?  lizzy   Feb-24-08 08:44 PM   #47 
   Sorry I didn't make it simple enough for you to understand the nuances.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 08:55 PM   #56 
      Oh boo-hoo.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 08:59 PM   #59 
      Out of state experts cost much, much more money.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 09:10 PM   #75 
      Yeah. Money should be saved for the wealthy...  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:03 PM   #63 
      Exactly.  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:04 PM   #65 
      Deleted because I was wrong and I admit it. n/t  FormerRushFan   Feb-24-08 09:10 PM   #74 
         The court paid her $250; the clinic had to eat the rest of the costs.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 09:12 PM   #78 
            Got it. You have a point about her being wasteful. n/t  FormerRushFan   Feb-24-08 09:14 PM   #81 
            There might have been a good reason as to why she  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:24 PM   #93 
   As a non-lawyer, I didn't glean what you did out of the article  ekwhite   Feb-24-08 08:48 PM   #51 
   Good question. And if there was sex & she's 12, it's statutory rape.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 09:04 PM   #66 
      Considering this was over 30 years ago,  lizzy   Feb-24-08 09:06 PM   #68 
      No, he only admitted to illegally fondling her - that was the plea bargain.  Divernan   Feb-24-08 09:14 PM   #82 
      Thank God you're retired.  rug   Feb-24-08 09:14 PM   #83 
         rug, why let the facts get in the way of hyperbole?  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 09:28 PM   #98 
            No wonder there are so many dead lawyer jokes.  rug   Feb-24-08 09:33 PM   #102 
   Sorry, today's words are "hysterical, wifey & unhinged", not "out of control"  Bluebear   Feb-24-08 09:05 PM   #67 
   the article I saw says she pushed hard to get the legal clinic expanded.  dorktv   Feb-24-08 09:56 PM   #118 
   I read the link that someone posted above.  dorktv   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #134 
   she bears Hillary Rodham Clinton no ill will ... the victim, that is  Fredda Weinberg   Feb-24-08 10:30 PM   #146 
   Can you imagine the wails from the Hillary Brigade if Obama had done this?  jgraz   Feb-24-08 08:36 PM   #41 
   You are all adults. Be responsible for your own behavior.  LeftCoast   Feb-24-08 08:59 PM   #60 
   There would be at least twenty threads burning up the tubes  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:13 PM   #80 
      And any male who defended him would be instantly branded a woman-hating proto-rapist.  jgraz   Feb-24-08 09:22 PM   #89 
      Oh hell yes. There would be torch-lit marches at every Hilly headquarters  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:25 PM   #94 
      No offense, but I'm defending her on Constitutional duty grounds.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:38 PM   #103 
         There is no Constitutional duty to traumatize 12-year old rape victims.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:41 PM   #105 
            You confuse the issue. A lawyer must provide the most vigorous defense possible.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:47 PM   #106 
               A defense attorney is not compelled to destroy a 12-year old rape victim  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:51 PM   #109 
                  I pity you.  NutmegYankee   Feb-24-08 09:55 PM   #116 
   Read the whole article. Her work on that case was outstanding.  rug   Feb-24-08 08:44 PM   #48 
   I'm HAPPY TO SEE  elleng   Feb-24-08 09:07 PM   #69 
   The bar gets lower?  RememberWellstone   Feb-24-08 09:08 PM   #72 
   "I received this in an email just now. Anyone know how true this is? Perhaps a smear?" Sure, uh-huh.  Bluebear   Feb-24-08 09:10 PM   #73 
   Sock it to me, baby.  Maddy McCall   Feb-24-08 09:18 PM   #86 
   people need to get a life, 32 years ago for cryin out loud n/t  MeDeMax   Feb-24-08 09:10 PM   #76 
   Chappaquidick was 45 years ago.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:14 PM   #84 
      Who here has mentioned Chappaquiddick? nt  mycritters2   Feb-24-08 10:41 PM   #155 
   How far down the way back crapper did you dig this shit up?  cat_girl25   Feb-24-08 09:23 PM   #91 
   35 years is the number Hillly keeps suggesting.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 09:32 PM   #100 
   I need to say I do NOT think this is any reason not to support Hillary- I  Bluerthanblue   Feb-24-08 09:39 PM   #104 
   I wonder how many of these posters crying 'foul' would actually  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #122 
      Doesn't make it right, just like hypothetical scenarios don't make torture right.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:03 PM   #130 
         That's ridiculous. She had to do her job to the best of her ability.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 10:05 PM   #131 
            There are many tactics available. She chose an ethcially WRONG one.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #133 
               No she wasn't. And, I'm not even a supporter.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 10:08 PM   #135 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #138 
   I am not a lawyer...I am merely a citizen in a nation that has,  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-24-08 10:13 PM   #139 
   The standards of legal behavior are lower than the standards of humane behavior.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:17 PM   #141 
      I just read the story as described in Newsday, post #1 above...  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-24-08 10:32 PM   #147 
   I can't stand HRC..  sendero   Feb-24-08 10:16 PM   #140 
   There are many tactics. She chose an unconscionable one.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:19 PM   #142 
      This un-American sentiment would be more at home at Free Republic  Kurt_and_Hunter   Feb-24-08 10:26 PM   #144 
         Look, there are good tactics and bad tactics. Torture is bad, so is this.  dailykoff   Feb-24-08 10:29 PM   #145 
   Wow. Compact cursive.  bluerum   Feb-24-08 10:24 PM   #143 
   Defense attorneys are what makes the system work,  mycritters2   Feb-24-08 10:32 PM   #148 
   This is the 3rd post on this today.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 10:34 PM   #150 
   Where Did The Email Originate And Who Are You? n/t  Raejeanowl   Feb-24-08 10:37 PM   #152 
   prob. gleamed it off the 3 other side threads here on DU  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 10:41 PM   #156 
   A "28 year old in the Military who normally goes for the Republican".  TWriterD   Feb-25-08 01:40 AM   #166 
   Great job, shithead. Proud of yourself?  Redstone   Feb-24-08 10:38 PM   #154 
   ok? thanks for your input  KhaOZ   Feb-25-08 01:06 AM   #164 
   She learned the value  pintobean   Feb-24-08 10:52 PM   #159 
   I just now got this email too! n/t  Zueda   Feb-24-08 11:12 PM   #160 
   Jesus. Hope none of you guys ever need a defense attorney.  BadgerLaw2010   Feb-24-08 11:20 PM   #161 
   She was a defense attorney. She was doing her job.  anonymous171   Feb-25-08 01:08 AM   #165 
   How can this be? Totally irrelevant--!! The girls age provides that this is RAPE --- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-25-08 02:29 AM   #167 
   Guess I'll have to post this in all of these threads.  peacebaby3   Feb-25-08 02:33 AM   #168 
   Court Appointed Attorney...doing her job. We should not  anigbrowl   Feb-25-08 04:27 PM   #170 
 

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