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204. Interesting "facts." I don't pick presidents on race or gender.
Then I look at the facts:

1. She voted against Cheney's energy bill and Obama voted for it. (6 billion in subsidies for oil companies.)

Yup - bad vote.

2. He has consistently voted to fund the war the entire time he has been in the Senate. (anti-war?)

So did she. I can respect someone believing that de-funding the war and giving the president the opportunity to let my best friend rot in Iraq without support might not be the best way to get our troops home. So I won't penalize either candidate for it too much. However, what he didn't do was vote for the IWR. She did. Period.

3. She has consistently worked to better the lives of women and children around the world (look it up if you don't believe it.)

And she is to be commended.

4. She has women's rights on her website and Obama does not

Yes, he does.

5. Barack courts the religious right with his male dominated language that promotes male domination in religion (I've had enough of that for a lifetime, actually.)

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. As a person of faith and a radical leftist, I don't take well to such stupid sweeping generalizations.

6. Barack has a shitload of corporate money behind him

By the numbers, not as much as Hillary Clinton. So choosing her over him for this reason is illogical. There may be other reasons, but this one is contrary to reason.

7. His health care plan covers children but not their mothers? Wow, that makes sense!

The differences in their health care policies are an honest debate. I don't like her program, but I understand some do. Might be a reason to vote for her.

8. He can trash Wal Mart in a debate with Hillary but there are many americans who cannot afford to purchase from anywhere else.

Yeah like me last year. That doesn't change the fact that Wal-Mart deserves to be trashed. What should be done is looking for ways to improve the lives of americans who don't have other options. Both candidates are talking about how to do that. The "wal-mart" point is contrary to reason.

9. Read the Chicago Sun Times and search for "Rezko Obama." Then read every article. (that's all I need to say)

Read Media Matters complete debunking of the Rezko bullshit. Read every point. (that's all I need to say.)

"Lastly, In all honesty - and I mean this:
If there is not a female on this presidential ticket I wil have to abstain from voting in the GE. Why? Because a lifetime of voting for all men for presidents is enough."

That's fine, I just wish you could be flown to Iraq and stand nose to nose with my friends son, or my own best friend and explain to them why you're OK with leaving them there to die under a McCain presidency.

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  -It is time for a female president. Captain_Nemo  Feb-24-08 05:06 PM   #0 
  - Voting with your core principals is not the same as  Lautremont   Feb-24-08 05:09 PM   #1 
  - OPs facts are FLAT wrong - and it's FAR worse for a Black man  sloppyjoe25s   Feb-24-08 07:25 PM   #80 
  - What schools do your core principals come from? Are you  rzemanfl   Feb-24-08 05:10 PM   #2 
  - What if Obama gets sex reassignment surgery, hormone injections, etc?  Boojatta   Feb-24-08 05:11 PM   #3 
  - is he transgender?  AGirl   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #146 
  - If there is no Jewish candidate on the presidential ticket, I will have to abstain from voting.  Bicoastal   Feb-24-08 05:15 PM   #4 
  - Wrong. It's time for a good president, male or female.  Alexander   Feb-24-08 05:16 PM   #5 
  - But they are not running. For first time we have a chance to make a difference for girls and boys.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:18 PM   #8 
     - If the first female president is a Republican -- are you OK with that?  Yael   Feb-24-08 05:20 PM   #14 
     - if she is pro-choice, yes.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:28 PM   #31 
        - Wow. Says a lot about you. So if she's pro-war, that's okay?  Alexander   Feb-24-08 05:29 PM   #35 
        - Of course pro-war is OK. Hillary is about as pro-war as it gets.  jgraz   Feb-24-08 05:37 PM   #44 
        - As an aside.....  BigDaddy44   Feb-24-08 07:52 PM   #85 
        - So if Condi Rice was pro-choice, youd support her?  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 05:29 PM   #37 
        - Fail  BlueDogDemocratNH   Feb-24-08 06:19 PM   #65 
           - These responses are SO predictable... yawn  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 07:11 PM   #74 
              - Answer this, then  BlueDogDemocratNH   Feb-24-08 07:45 PM   #84 
     - I'm sick of whitey running things. I want a black man in the white house.  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 05:23 PM   #18 
     - Ha Ha..  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:43 AM   #188 
     - she can't make a decision without Mark (Blackwater) Penn advising her  WillYourVoteBCounted   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #157 
  - Absolutely. Just not HER.  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 05:17 PM   #6 
  - I agree that it's time for a female president.  yourguide   Feb-24-08 05:17 PM   #7 
  - I find it kind of sad that my fellow progressives dismiss the following:  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:22 PM   #17 
     - First of all half your things are attacks on Obama and what exactly is her foreign policy experience  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 05:24 PM   #23 
     - Agree  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 05:28 PM   #32 
     - ROFL  yourguide   Feb-24-08 05:30 PM   #38 
        - no, just ignorance of the issues  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 06:20 PM   #66 
     - I also find it hard that MY fellow progressives dismiss the following  yourguide   Feb-24-08 05:29 PM   #34 
     - I'm not your "fellow" progressive if you'd vote for a Repug  jgraz   Feb-24-08 05:31 PM   #39 
     - Wait, you forgot....  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 07:28 PM   #82 
  - She has NO principles. She is a shell of a human being. No thanks but knock yourself out.  K Gardner   Feb-24-08 05:18 PM   #9 
  - Thanks, great points  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 05:18 PM   #10 
  - Yes, and I find that sadly lacking in this thread. My so-called fellow progressives dismiss  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:23 PM   #20 
  - Just because she is a woman  yourguide   Feb-24-08 06:05 PM   #60 
  - These aren't progressives. These are DU posters.  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 07:12 PM   #75 
  - I call Bullshit..  Adams Wulff   Feb-25-08 05:21 AM   #184 
  - Would you have voted for Margaret Thatcher?  intaglio   Feb-24-08 05:19 PM   #11 
  - Other countries have more of a history of women leaders.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:25 PM   #26 
  - So, if the Republicans were running a female against Obama, she should get the vote?  Yael   Feb-24-08 05:19 PM   #12 
  - This woman doesn't agree  XemaSab   Feb-24-08 05:19 PM   #13 
  - I agree with evey one of your points.  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-24-08 05:20 PM   #15 
  - Then, keep talking about how important it is for girls to see themselves reflected in positions of  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 09:45 PM   #98 
     - what about those women and other humans in Iraq?  Whisp   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #111 
  - 276 years??  texas_indy   Feb-24-08 05:21 PM   #16 
  - I don't give a shit what the gender of the president is  cali   Feb-24-08 05:23 PM   #19 
  - maybe you should think about how girls view themselves in the world. Imagine  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:25 PM   #24 
     - It does suck. But I'm still going to vote for the best candidate, man or woman.  grace0418   Feb-24-08 05:35 PM   #42 
     - How do African American children view themselves? nt  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 06:08 PM   #62 
     - The poster is discussing GENDER, not race--you can discuss that elsewhere.  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 07:13 PM   #77 
        - I'll discuss what I want, where I want.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 07:42 PM   #83 
        - You can't separate the two..especially in this election..or don't you know ...a ...  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:50 AM   #191 
     - I'm a woman  cali   Feb-24-08 06:15 PM   #64 
     - Honestly, it's kind of insulting when you think about it.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 07:55 PM   #86 
        - she's not running. and, given the amoutn of insults Hilalry has endured - fat ankles, being called  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 09:47 PM   #99 
           - But she is not our last chance.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #100 
           - I certainly don't see Obama as the last chance..I see it as a beginning of things to come ..a...  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:52 AM   #192 
     - And imagine what black kids think about only seeing white Presidents  dmesg   Feb-24-08 07:13 PM   #76 
     - Demographics: women are in majority and we cross racial boundaries. You change the country more with  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:11 PM   #107 
        - Why hasn't the majority elected "one of their own" in the past 88 years?  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #110 
        - EXACTLY! and the answer is: We encourage it. If you keep buying from the company store you will  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:25 PM   #117 
        - My first answer was too flippant. The reason is because women are underrepresented in US government  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:40 PM   #127 
           - Dupe  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:43 PM   # 
           - You're joking, right? Jeanette Rankin was elected in 1916  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:45 PM   #130 
              - so nasty here. Yes, I was wrong. Nasty, nasty.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:56 PM   #148 
              - How was I nasty?  dmesg   Feb-24-08 11:00 PM   #154 
              - Pointing out factual mistakes  Nederland   Feb-25-08 06:00 AM   #196 
              - Gah! Dupe again  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:58 PM   #152 
        - So the self-esteem of women is more important than black people's because there are more women?  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:54 AM   #193 
     - And how should blacks view themselves since they've never seen a black president..?  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:46 AM   #189 
  - How about Amy Goodman? I like Amy Goodman.  Old Crusoe   Feb-24-08 05:24 PM   #21 
  - We may not be able to afford the luxury of voting for Clinton.  Orsino   Feb-24-08 05:24 PM   #22 
  - Presidents are not heroes. Presidents fix problems.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:26 PM   #29 
     - well, lately, all Hillary's been doing is causing problems  jgraz   Feb-24-08 05:35 PM   #43 
     - Ooh, she is doing a great job. Her toughness is what I want in a president. Not a showman.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:10 PM   #162 
     - If she can fix *any* of the major problems facing us, she is a hero.  Orsino   Feb-24-08 05:46 PM   #48 
     - Not necessarily true - nothing fixed in the past seven years. nt  usnret88   Feb-24-08 07:05 PM   #72 
     - Totally agree.  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 07:14 PM   #78 
  - there are 8 female governors  PM7nj   Feb-24-08 05:25 PM   #25 
  - At least three of those are supporting Obama too  hnmnf   Feb-24-08 05:26 PM   #28 
     - Darn it, there you go bringing facts into the discussion!!  texas_indy   Feb-24-08 05:31 PM   #40 
  - Voting Only Because she is Female... Boo!  quantass   Feb-24-08 05:26 PM   #27 
  - show me the laundry list. and you didn't read the thread. I mentioned all the reasons why.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:27 PM   #30 
  - Best candidate, not just female  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 05:29 PM   #36 
     - Would you vote for a Republican female over Obama?  Yael   Feb-24-08 05:32 PM   #41 
     - If they were more qualified and better on the issues, sure  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 05:52 PM   #54 
     - And many HRC supporters aren't fooling anyone..many are making their choices  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:59 AM   #195 
  - Voting for someone based on Gender is Sexist  Obamaman2008   Feb-24-08 05:28 PM   #33 
  - Yeah, but since when does common sense dictate politics?  HypnoToad   Feb-24-08 05:50 PM   #51 
  - yet some with vote for him because he is black-will you then say it is racist? Get real.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 05:59 PM   #58 
  - I have heard a lot of African Americans happy they might have a black man in office. Do you trash  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:03 PM   #105 
  - I don't see Obama supporters saying they should vote for him because he is Black  Obamaman2008   Feb-24-08 10:23 PM   #114 
     - Don't even try to paint me into a corner. There have been  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:25 PM   #174 
  - Yes, If I didn't agree with her politics. But as I wrote in the post I listed all the things  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:21 PM   #112 
  - I refuse to vote based on gender, race, religious affiliation, or ethnic origin.  gordianot   Feb-24-08 05:42 PM   #45 
  - I'll just say this here. Ignoring Obama's record doesn't help us. furthermore I am stunned  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 05:46 PM   #46 
  - How is Hillary a progressive?  PM7nj   Feb-24-08 05:52 PM   #53 
  - I can surmise this about the war vote: She was the Senator from NYC (hardest hit on 9/11) and  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:29 PM   #121 
     - Clue ... Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11  Egnever   Feb-24-08 10:35 PM   #124 
     - clue: When the CIA goes to congress and presents information that WMD's exist and you  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:47 PM   #132 
        - Clue..... I read the NIE  Egnever   Feb-24-08 11:14 PM   #166 
     - OMFG!!!! Did a DU'er just link Iraq to 9/11??!!!!!????!??!!!  dmesg   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #156 
        - For you to read that into it you would have to leap in logic.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:11 PM   #163 
  - Well  NDambi   Feb-25-08 06:08 AM   #197 
  - so are you saying that its not time for an African American president?  onenote   Feb-24-08 05:46 PM   #47 
  - I am saying that women are in the majority and sexism crosses racial boundaries so  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 09:59 PM   #101 
     - fwiw, in my experience, I see more women achieving positions of prominence than Afican americans  onenote   Feb-25-08 07:45 AM   #202 
  - And I don't respect the fact she voted for war.  babylonsister   Feb-24-08 05:48 PM   #49 
  - For every fact I'm not fond of her; it's countered by a fact that's a good thing... but  HypnoToad   Feb-24-08 05:49 PM   #50 
  - So Margaret Thatcher then?  KaptBunnyPants   Feb-24-08 05:51 PM   #52 
  - I'm 100% ready for a female president. Hillary is definitely not the one tho.  BringBigDogBack   Feb-24-08 05:52 PM   #55 
  - Even though her health care plan covers all women and not just their children?  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:11 PM   #164 
  - I won't vote for a candidate just cause they are a woman  Raine   Feb-24-08 05:56 PM   #56 
  - I'm a woman and I won't vote for any canididate simply because she's a woman.  BattyDem   Feb-24-08 05:57 PM   #57 
  - Too bad you didn't read the post  OzarkDem   Feb-24-08 06:21 PM   #67 
     - I did read the post ...  BattyDem   Feb-24-08 06:51 PM   #71 
        - Then you didn't take into consideration then things I listed about him and his  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:06 PM   #106 
           - I respect that, even if I disagree.  BattyDem   Feb-24-08 10:35 PM   #125 
  - nice post thanks.  rodeodance   Feb-24-08 06:01 PM   #59 
  - Clinton voted against a ban on cluster bombs.  thecatburgler   Feb-24-08 06:07 PM   #61 
  - Principles, not principals.  undeterred   Feb-24-08 06:10 PM   #63 
  - nice post. eom.  Jim4Wes   Feb-24-08 06:23 PM   #68 
  - is it now a valid argument to say it's time for a black president?  loveangelc   Feb-24-08 06:23 PM   #69 
  - I think Skinner wrote a piece about how great it is that we might have an African American but Skinn  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:20 PM   #109 
     - The thing is, Hillary can make an issue of being the first woman but Barack cannot  loveangelc   Feb-24-08 11:03 PM   #159 
  - After 8 years of BUSH,  HockeyMom   Feb-24-08 06:25 PM   #70 
  - HockeyMom, I love you.  Adams Wulff   Feb-25-08 05:36 AM   #185 
  - Well done!! K & R  LadyVT   Feb-24-08 07:10 PM   #73 
  - K&R  benld74   Feb-24-08 07:24 PM   #79 
  - Thanks, blacks got the vote fifty years before women did because white women helped.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:17 PM   #169 
  - I meant "black men" got the vote and white women helped. (Please don't vilify me for a wrong fact.)  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:19 PM   #171 
  - so- if the election in november is between barack obama and condi rice- you'll vote for rice?  QuestionAll   Feb-24-08 07:27 PM   #81 
  - 'Crickets' n/t  Adams Wulff   Feb-25-08 05:40 AM   #187 
  - yawn  redstate_democrat   Feb-24-08 07:56 PM   #87 
  - Sure, but not THIS one.  Zhade   Feb-24-08 07:56 PM   #88 
  - This is NOT about gender. Too bad you have to play this card.  RBInMaine   Feb-24-08 07:57 PM   #89 
  - No the campaign is about president. The reaction to the primary is about gender.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:20 PM   #172 
  - Cheney's energy bill was before Obama entered office.Dems represent women more than any party.  cooolandrew   Feb-24-08 08:05 PM   #90 
  - NO! cheney's Energy Bill was when Barack was in the Senate. Check your facts please before you vote  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 09:44 PM   #97 
  - I find it "sad" some Dems would sit out 2008 & not fight a Repub in the GE & dismiss a likely SCOTUS  Garbo 2004   Feb-24-08 08:06 PM   #91 
  - Indeed!  Muzza   Feb-24-08 08:12 PM   #92 
  - Agreed!  RememberWellstone   Feb-24-08 08:13 PM   #93 
  - She voted to extend Bush's tax cuts  ProSense   Feb-24-08 08:17 PM   #94 
  - I refuse to vote for someone just because they have a vagina.  monomach   Feb-24-08 09:02 PM   #95 
  - Sounds like you are a sexist bigot. I don't respect men or women who think  LeviathanCrumbling   Feb-24-08 09:12 PM   #96 
  - I disagree. Voting and not having the open mindedness to look at the problems and see links  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #103 
     - This is an odd view coming from someone who wants a gender-free judgement in politics  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 10:26 PM   #118 
     - Bigots always have rationalizations for their bigotry . n/t  LeviathanCrumbling   Feb-24-08 10:53 PM   #143 
  - If you want a female president...  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:00 PM   #102 
  - Yuo would have loved to have voted for Margaret Thatcher  bambino   Feb-24-08 10:01 PM   #104 
  - How come I don't see these two issues discussed since I listed the:  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:15 PM   #108 
  - But not one who voted in favor of cluster bombs. n/t  eridani   Feb-24-08 10:22 PM   #113 
  - out of fifty states we have one black governor.  Elrond Hubbard   Feb-24-08 10:23 PM   #115 
  - For those who didn't read the entire post. Yes, I am voting for her becasue she is female AND she  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:24 PM   #116 
  - 4 democratic women governors (one from canada) You can't even count?  Johnny__Motown   Feb-24-08 10:27 PM   #119 
  - This nastiness is a hallmark if DU. I will ignore it.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:33 PM   #123 
     - What nastiness?  anonymous171   Feb-24-08 10:48 PM   #133 
        - I could have been more diplomatic, distorted facts piss me off is all  Johnny__Motown   Feb-24-08 10:49 PM   #135 
           - I am just finally pointing out an opinion that MANY women have been thinking. this  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:07 PM   #160 
              - So you'd vote for Elizabeth Dole? Or Olympia Snowe?  dmesg   Feb-24-08 11:11 PM   #165 
                 - Your questions to me never take into account the entirety of my original post. Look at the list.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:15 PM   #168 
                    - I don't see what her being a woman has to do with your list  dmesg   Feb-24-08 11:17 PM   #170 
  - So if Condi was running for President, you would.....? n/t  Tatiana   Feb-24-08 10:27 PM   #120 
  - Trying to get me thrown off of DU? Also, read the entire post. I put all of the reasons  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:32 PM   #122 
     - "Hillary is smarter,"  NDambi   Feb-25-08 06:17 AM   #198 
  - why? because we both have vaginas?  kagehime   Feb-24-08 10:36 PM   #126 
  - Wow, frankly, Barack's male dominated religious talk doesn't exactly make me feel too  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:43 PM   #128 
     - so you are more comfortable with a republican?  kagehime   Feb-24-08 10:45 PM   #129 
     - Oh, so now  anonymous171   Feb-24-08 10:47 PM   #131 
     - She is impressive on military matters. Do the research on her. And, as far as courting  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:50 PM   #136 
        - Do you know what "evangelical" means?  dmesg   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #138 
        - Obama doesn't play the favor game  anonymous171   Feb-24-08 10:52 PM   #141 
           - Oh really? I think you need to catch up on this:  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:14 PM   #167 
     - So you'd prefer war friendly, PNAC friendly Hillary?  ErnestoG   Feb-24-08 10:49 PM   #134 
        - And voting for Barack is odd for a progressive too: Pro Cheney's Energy bill Barack. Why  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #139 
           - Uh, in all fairness...Nadar bashed them both..HRC didn't escape his wrath...  NDambi   Feb-25-08 06:19 AM   #199 
  - Out of 50 states there is 1 black governor and 1 black senator  RunningFromCongress   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #137 
  - And women are 50.7 percent of the population. AA's are 12.8 percent. Women cross all  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:52 PM   #142 
     - Again, the fact she's a woman has NO RELEVANCE. To say it does is sexist.  RunningFromCongress   Feb-24-08 10:55 PM   #145 
        - And I think you are not being honest as to the unprecedented nature of this primary  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:28 PM   #177 
  - Wow ... your logic is just ... illogical.  Blondiegrrl   Feb-24-08 10:51 PM   #140 
  - Your superior candidate voted for Cheney's energy bill + has a shitty health care plan. Progressive?  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:54 PM   #144 
  - Garnish people's wages to FORCE them to buy insurance?  Blondiegrrl   Feb-24-08 11:24 PM   #173 
     - Maybe you should watch the debate and learn about your candidates health care plan.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:26 PM   #175 
  - Hillary is the best candidate.  DDQ   Feb-25-08 05:13 AM   #182 
  - You Must Be Really Proud Of This Thread, Since You Keep Kicking It Yourself  JimGinPA   Feb-24-08 10:56 PM   #147 
  - I don't know what that means. I am not kicking anything. I am responding to people.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 10:57 PM   #151 
  - To answer your first question, Barbara Boxer  Hippo_Tron   Feb-24-08 10:57 PM   #149 
  - Perhaps, but her liberalness would just get her kicked around visciously. Hillary does possess  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:00 PM   #153 
     - I think you will see another viable woman candidate the next time Democrats have an open primary  Hippo_Tron   Feb-24-08 11:27 PM   #176 
  - I agree....with your points.  AGirl   Feb-24-08 10:57 PM   #150 
  - So nice to hear. I have been getting bashed for telling my honest beliefs about being a female in U  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:01 PM   #155 
     - I understand it, its important to express our honest opinons.  AGirl   Feb-24-08 11:34 PM   #179 
  - I'd just like to brag for a moment  progressive_realist   Feb-24-08 11:02 PM   #158 
  - thank you - I misspoke on that and I have been getting the nastiest responses.  Captain_Nemo   Feb-24-08 11:09 PM   #161 
  - This is unintentional sexism.  casus belli   Feb-24-08 11:33 PM   #178 
  - I agree . . . as long as it's not Hillary Clinton . . . n/t  OneBlueSky   Feb-25-08 04:51 AM   #180 
  - I, too, agree . . . as long as it's not Hillary Clinton . . . n/t  donheld   Feb-25-08 05:00 AM   #181 
  - I agree; just not this particular female for president.  AtomicKitten   Feb-25-08 05:19 AM   #183 
  - It's time for a Black President...whooo hooo..  NDambi   Feb-25-08 05:38 AM   #186 
  - I agree, it is time for a female president, just not this particular female president.  MadHound   Feb-25-08 05:48 AM   #190 
  - Thanks Captain Nemo It is Indeed Time for a Female President  DDQ   Feb-25-08 05:55 AM   #194 
  - Long but interesting read.....  dmac   Feb-25-08 07:16 AM   #200 
  - Oh boy.  48percenter   Feb-25-08 07:23 AM   #201 
  - I would vote for Barbara Boxer.  Oregonian   Feb-25-08 07:52 AM   #203 
  - Interesting "facts." I don't pick presidents on race or gender.  Political Heretic   Feb-25-08 08:02 AM   #204 
  - Yes, we do need a female President. But we don't need Hillary.  Herdin_Cats   Feb-25-08 08:33 AM   #205 
  - Why do you hate African-Americans?  crawfish   Feb-25-08 08:48 AM   #206 

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