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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:25 AM
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50. Part of the problem with our governmet and society
The lack of long term thinking. Parties and government officials only think ahead to the next election cycle, corporations only think ahead to the yearly bottom line. Our government isn't designed for rapid change, yet the myriad of problems facing our society requires just that, rapid change. So instead, we muddle along making progress in inches at a time, while this country and world is going under measured in feet and yards at a time. And all the while, that soothing dance band is still playing.

Stop buying into this short term trap, and take a look at the bigger picture, engage in long term thinking.
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  -Finally. Something we can ALL agree on. Nader supporters have no business here. Midlodemocrat  Feb-24-08 09:51 AM   #0 
  - Seconded  kedrys   Feb-24-08 09:52 AM   #1 
  - All us good Dems who are poo slinging at each other  mtnester   Feb-24-08 09:52 AM   #2 
  - Agreed.  bowens43   Feb-24-08 09:53 AM   #3 
  - True  Red Zelda   Feb-24-08 09:55 AM   #4 
     - Exactly.  Window   Feb-24-08 10:03 AM   #12 
  - Amen  Stuckinthebush   Feb-24-08 09:56 AM   #5 
  - Fascists = phundies = freepers = neocons = Naderites  whistle   Feb-24-08 09:58 AM   #6 
  - Ralph Fucking Nader. I don't even have a word to describe how pissed I am at his need to  Mzztakable   Feb-24-08 09:58 AM   #7 
  - Thing Is, I Consider Them To Be Worse Than Republicans. I Really Do.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-24-08 09:58 AM   #8 
  - You said that much more eloquently than I could  susanr516   Feb-24-08 06:33 PM   #71 
  - On this point we 100% agree!  RiverStone   Feb-24-08 08:04 PM   #83 
  - Yes.  terrya   Feb-24-08 09:58 AM   #9 
  - Correct! It says "Democratic Underground"  BeachBuckeye   Feb-24-08 10:00 AM   #10 
  - I disagree. Many of them are progressives. We want them in the Dem party.  Bonobo   Feb-24-08 10:00 AM   #11 
  - Well, they can create their own "progressivesforNader" board.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:07 AM   #13 
  - Why don't you create your own "DemcoraticUndergagorder"?  Bonobo   Feb-24-08 10:09 AM   #14 
     - LOL. If you keep supporting Nader, I will need to do nothing more than  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:10 AM   #15 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-08 10:17 AM   #16 
        - Nader on MTP. Asks if Sen. Obama has the "moral courage to get things done"  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:19 AM   #17 
        - Absolutely, in fact is it a good and pertinent question  MadHound   Feb-24-08 10:21 AM   #20 
           - Methinks thou shalt not here the same question asked of McCain from Nader.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:24 AM   #27 
              - Nader blasts both sides equally,  MadHound   Feb-24-08 10:45 AM   #29 
                 - Actually, though, he doesn't. He launched more attacks on Gore than he did on Bush.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:49 AM   #33 
                 - I think that you really need to go back and read some of his work  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:00 AM   #35 
                    - I have. And it is fact that on the campaign trail, his attacks on Gore outnumbered his attacks on *  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 11:02 AM   #36 
                    - Really? You got some actual facts to back that up with? Links, stats, anything?  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:34 AM   #57 
                    - Defending Nader AND going after Gore.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:04 AM   #37 
                       - Oh, yes, stone me, whip me, for I am a heretic  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:13 AM   #40 
                          - OK, now the Democratic party is going the way of the Whigs?  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:17 AM   #43 
                          - Part of the problem with our governmet and society  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:25 AM   #50 
                             - Now you're going all fatalistic on me. Anyway, at least you've quit promoting St. Nader.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:39 AM   #62 
                          - "tough shit, deal with it" is always a compelling way to support your position.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:22 AM   #48 
                             - Hey, it made you sit up and pay attention  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:27 AM   #53 
                                - Are we talking about Nader, still?  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:38 AM   #60 
                 - I respect Chomsky and Zinn because they don't jump into the presidential race on a whim.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:55 AM   #34 
                    - You've obviously let your blindness and bitterness overcome your intelligence  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:07 AM   #38 
                       - How can he be "marginalized" when he can just call NBC and get on MTP?  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:14 AM   #41 
                       - Let's see, when he is kept off of ballots, off of debates, and is deliberately smeared,  MadHound   Feb-24-08 11:21 AM   #46 
                          - If he's kept off the ballots, it's because he didn't do the boots on the ground work necessary  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 11:35 AM   #58 
                       - And not one bit of organizing  eridani   Feb-24-08 11:57 PM   #85 
        - Except, that is, for the position that his candidacy is justified and vote-worthy.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:22 AM   #22 
        - Defending his position perhaps; supporting his run for POTUS? Nope  MaineDem   Feb-24-08 10:22 AM   #23 
     - Read this. It's what Skinner wrote about Nader during the first week of DU.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 11:28 AM   #54 
  - Anyone Who Supports Nader Is Not A Progressive. They Are A Moron.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-24-08 10:20 AM   #18 
  - Do we really want people in the Dem party who are determined to hurt our chances in Nov?  AZBlue   Feb-24-08 11:16 AM   #42 
  - Those 'progressives' of which you speak gave us 8 years of Bushco, so not just no. Fuck no.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 11:22 AM   #49 
  - Then Nader should have run for the Democratic nomination...  krkaufman   Feb-25-08 01:59 AM   #86 
  - Agreed. Naderites are the most despicable form of political life, bar none.  Occam Bandage   Feb-24-08 10:21 AM   #19 
  - At least some of the Neocons have a sense of humor  Taverner   Feb-24-08 10:48 AM   #32 
  - I'm with you on that.  seasonedblue   Feb-24-08 10:22 AM   #21 
  - Totally agree! n/t  MaineDem   Feb-24-08 10:23 AM   #24 
  - Right on!  Debi   Feb-24-08 10:24 AM   #25 
  - Yep  turtlensue   Feb-24-08 10:24 AM   #26 
  - OK. I'll say it: FUCK.RALPH.NADER.  Seabiscuit   Feb-24-08 10:30 AM   #28 
  - Who wants to do that?  WritingIsMyReligion   Feb-24-08 11:36 AM   #59 
     - UGH!  Seabiscuit   Feb-24-08 01:02 PM   #65 
  - Yup  Taverner   Feb-24-08 10:47 AM   #30 
  - Gotta K & R. I couldn't believe the number of Obama supporters who are rallying for him as he  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-24-08 10:47 AM   #31 
  - Nader supporters have business here  Zodiak Ironfist   Feb-24-08 11:10 AM   #39 
  - .  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 11:21 AM   #47 
     - Rebuttal by emoticon  Zodiak Ironfist   Feb-24-08 11:51 AM   #64 
        - Says you.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 04:00 PM   #66 
           - Absolutely substanceless  Zodiak Ironfist   Feb-24-08 04:46 PM   #67 
  - No shortage of self-importance complex in Nader, eh?  casus belli   Feb-24-08 11:18 AM   #44 
  - Absolutely.  Arkana   Feb-24-08 11:20 AM   #45 
  - DU is the last place I would want to hang out if I were a Nader  jonnyblitz   Feb-24-08 11:25 AM   #51 
  - Yes, Finally!  faithfulcitizen   Feb-24-08 11:27 AM   #52 
  - Hopefully DU doesn't treat former Mercer supporters like this  sniffa   Feb-24-08 11:28 AM   #55 
  - .  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 11:31 AM   #56 
  - No, we have already all agreed that Oasis sucks.  rug   Feb-24-08 11:38 AM   #61 
  - Yup  Araxen   Feb-24-08 11:40 AM   #63 
  - Fuck Nader.  ellisonz   Feb-24-08 05:04 PM   #68 
  - I don't support Nader, but I did vote for Grace Ross for Gov of Mass.  Forkboy   Feb-24-08 05:31 PM   #69 
  - Of course Nader supporters belong here if they are DEMOCRATS  Sybbis   Feb-24-08 05:51 PM   #70 
  - Lighten up, Francis. I never said I was a Hillary supporter.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 07:01 PM   #73 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-08 07:24 PM   #77 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-24-08 07:59 PM   #82 
  - My problem with Nader:  insanity   Feb-24-08 06:50 PM   #72 
  - If Sheehan supporters weren't allowed, Naderites DEFINITELY shouldn't be  Canuckistanian   Feb-24-08 07:03 PM   #74 
  - And it should be a no brainer for us.  Midlodemocrat   Feb-24-08 07:06 PM   #75 
  - Got that right. I'm sure there must be a nader forum somewhere where they  Kahuna   Feb-24-08 07:13 PM   #76 
  - Amen. Nader was a fool in 2000. This year, he's a traitor to the country.  seawolf   Feb-24-08 07:43 PM   #78 
  - AGREED ... Fuck Nader! nt  Raine   Feb-24-08 07:52 PM   #79 
  - I'll Never Forgive Him n/t  Raejeanowl   Feb-24-08 07:54 PM   #80 
  - Agreed.  Fox Mulder   Feb-24-08 07:55 PM   #81 
  - FUCK YOU NADER AND NADER SUPPORTERS  TheDonkey   Feb-24-08 08:27 PM   #84 
  - Agreed  donheld   Feb-25-08 03:14 AM   #87 

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