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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 12:53 PM
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54. No one said Bush won the debates
The bar was low, but the Kerry people cleverly countered it by suggesting that the lights used to tell when your time was up could be confusing. Kerry was the top debater in the country during the years he was at Yale - those debates were also timed. Kerry had also killed Weld in debates, even though Weld was extremely popular and smart.

As it was, I remember at the place I was at, a neighbor looking blown away mid way though the debate simply said "there's no way they can spin this one." Kerry was clear, articulate and extremely knowledgeable - and Bush copied at least one answer.

Here, both HRC and Obama are smart and articulate. The advantage to Obama is that he merely has to come across as he has for the last month - as himself. The main thing he has to do is not overreact to any HRC attacks. The last debate was good for Clinton because both came across well and it was friendly. Given where they are now, that peaceful excellent debate is less than HRC would need. That is why she has the harder job - she needs to pull people away from Obama without looking nasty - a very tough thing to do.
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  -My prediction. Tonight ends Hillary's campaign Egnever  Feb-21-08 10:57 AM   #0 
  - I think they underestitmate Obama in debates  BrentTaylor   Feb-21-08 10:58 AM   #1 
  - They've set the bar so low for Obama  Bleachers7   Feb-21-08 11:16 AM   #34 
  - Remember in the runup to the 2004 Bush/Kerry debates they downplayed  applegrove   Feb-21-08 12:35 PM   #48 
     - No one said Bush won the debates  karynnj   Feb-21-08 12:53 PM   #54 
        - Oh I agree that Hillary has to be careful re: attacks.  applegrove   Feb-21-08 01:46 PM   #61 
  - I wish I were as confident as you. I think this is an important debate for both Obama and Clinton  book_worm   Feb-21-08 10:58 AM   #2 
  - She'll wipe the floor with him like all the other debates. We' will be watching.  goldcanyonaz   Feb-21-08 10:58 AM   #3 
  - If she wiped the floor with him before, why is he winning?  stahbrett   Feb-21-08 11:02 AM   #9 
     - If wiping the floor with someone in debates  Blue_In_AK   Feb-21-08 12:12 PM   #47 
     - Debates are BS  dmesg   Feb-21-08 01:50 PM   #62 
  - She'll have some zingers to throw at Obama for sure  keep_it_real   Feb-21-08 11:00 AM   #4 
  - Like everything else In this race  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:01 AM   #7 
  - yeah zingers are so substantive  shadowknows69   Feb-21-08 11:29 AM   #39 
  - and hopefully he'll have some to throw back at her  loveangelc   Feb-21-08 12:55 PM   #56 
  - The media loves a horse race  Mz Pip   Feb-21-08 11:00 AM   #5 
  - Well, it's a shame the media machine will be doing it to someone with a D - but this is what  blm   Feb-21-08 11:01 AM   #6 
  - Totaly agree  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:03 AM   #13 
  - She will be between a rock and a hard place.  mmonk   Feb-21-08 11:02 AM   #8 
  - between Barack and a hard place?  burythehatchet   Feb-21-08 11:21 AM   #36 
     - Good one.  mmonk   Feb-21-08 12:38 PM   #49 
  - One key point...she's the debater! She also knows her facts  libertee   Feb-21-08 11:02 AM   #10 
  - By the time he answers a question  emilyg   Feb-21-08 02:16 PM   #65 
  - Those would be ABSURD questions  kennetha   Feb-21-08 11:02 AM   #11 
  - They sure are  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:06 AM   #17 
  - Doubt it. Surely you haven't missed her resiliency.  JohnnyLib2   Feb-21-08 11:03 AM   #12 
  - Theres a few hours left  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:08 AM   #20 
  - Yes indeedy!  buff2   Feb-21-08 11:03 AM   #14 
  - Debate  Beregond2   Feb-21-08 11:03 AM   #15 
  - i totally forgot there is a debate tonight, thanks for the reminder.  chimpsrsmarter   Feb-21-08 11:04 AM   #16 
  - If you spell your name backwards...  displacedtexan   Feb-21-08 11:07 AM   #18 
  - That was clever!  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:09 AM   #22 
  - What time is the debate tonight?  Yael   Feb-21-08 11:07 AM   #19 
  - 8 pm CNN  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:10 AM   #25 
     - Thanks!  Yael   Feb-21-08 11:47 AM   #41 
  - Miss Cleo  The_Casual_Observer   Feb-21-08 11:08 AM   #21 
  - You Can't Possibly Be Serious. As With Every Other Debate, She'll Completely Outshine Him Tonight.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-21-08 11:09 AM   #23 
  - actually, although she's been better in almost every debate  cali   Feb-21-08 12:58 PM   #58 
  - My prediction: tonight ends Obama's campaign  BlackVelvet04   Feb-21-08 11:09 AM   #24 
  - Well we will know who was right in a few hours.  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:11 AM   #27 
  - What do you really think he'll say  hogwyld   Feb-21-08 11:27 AM   #38 
     - Yaaaarrrrrgh?  Yael   Feb-21-08 11:48 AM   #42 
  - I'd think that the moderators would rather try to take Obama down a notch as he is the frontrunner  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-21-08 11:11 AM   #26 
  - I am sure thats on the agenda too.  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:13 AM   #30 
  - The only questions, among the example you list, that I'm remotely interested in  thecatburgler   Feb-21-08 11:11 AM   #28 
  - I think I'll forward your brilliant post to Hillary so she can withdraw right now (snicker)  mtnsnake   Feb-21-08 11:13 AM   #29 
  - Could you please!  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:43 AM   #40 
  - Wounded Tiger  RememberWellstone   Feb-21-08 11:13 AM   #31 
  - I'm not seeing it. At best it'll end up having no effect at all.  Independent-Voter   Feb-21-08 11:14 AM   #32 
  - You Can Bookmark This Post  DemocratSinceBirth   Feb-21-08 11:15 AM   #33 
  - the difference with this debate is that  tishaLA   Feb-21-08 11:16 AM   #35 
  - Duly noted.  rug   Feb-21-08 11:22 AM   #37 
  - I'll be watching,  seasonedblue   Feb-21-08 11:50 AM   #43 
  - Hillary's camp has, stupidly, set the bar so low for Obama and so high for Clinton for tonight ....  scheming daemons   Feb-21-08 11:52 AM   #44 
  - Wow. I've seen alot of spin in my day, but you just blew my mind.  Beausoir   Feb-21-08 12:43 PM   #51 
  - thanks for your concern  bigtree   Feb-21-08 11:53 AM   #45 
  - She has weathered worse and will come out with her head held high.  Marrah_G   Feb-21-08 11:54 AM   #46 
  - I expect that she will be fierce and strong  eleny   Feb-21-08 12:40 PM   #50 
  - I certainly HOPE the mods don't pile on like that. I think it'd be unseemly and not at all  K Gardner   Feb-21-08 12:46 PM   #52 
  - Seriously, they are NOT going to ask those questions  demokatgurrl   Feb-21-08 12:49 PM   #53 
  - pffft n/t  goodgd_yall   Feb-21-08 12:55 PM   #55 
  - A "CNN" debate can't really hurt HRC because...  nickn777   Feb-21-08 12:57 PM   #57 
  - I hope they have a civilized debate discussing policy positions.  cottonseed   Feb-21-08 01:01 PM   #59 
  - we'll see. I dont think her strategy of "commander of chief" will be that effective with democratic  loveangelc   Feb-21-08 01:03 PM   #60 
  - Hillary HAS to attack, and Obama will be at the ready with a zinger.  nomorewhopper   Feb-21-08 01:53 PM   #63 
  - I disagree  anigbrowl   Feb-21-08 01:54 PM   #64 
  - Welp I got a few of them right  Egnever   Feb-21-08 11:08 PM   #66 
 

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