DaDooRonRon
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Mon Feb-18-08 01:04 PM
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| 109. The election process offers numerous choices |
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It is up to you to decide who to vote for. The deck has 52 cards, not just two. Do not think that your card is any more or less valid then any other.
The 2008 election, as you know, is not the problem. The mainstream candidates who are selected for you (and if you think you have the slightest bit of input as to who the respective parties allow you to "see" then you are quite naive) have passed the corporate test. They then put themselves in front of you so you can make your "choice", which is of course no choice at all. Really, is beef or chicken a choice to a vegetarian?
Congrtulations on being out in the streets - I was as well - although I am not quite sure why in hindsight it is that commendable. We were, after all, lobbying for Vice-President Lieberman.
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| -Why I am an Obama supporter now |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:31 PM |
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Cool. But I didn't matter to Obama, that's why I can't support him. |
Bluebear |
Feb-17-08 07:34 PM |
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I understand perfectly why you feel as you do |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:38 PM |
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Everyone but Obama |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-18-08 08:08 AM |
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So you're saying that it's ok for a candidate to treat other people badly? |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 10:16 AM |
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"With the choice between Hillary and Barack, a lot of us are going to have to compromise somewhat... |
delt664 |
Feb-18-08 10:33 AM |
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No I understand why he made the choice that he did |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 10:56 AM |
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So some human rights are more important than others? |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 11:00 AM |
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So I should choose gay rights over the war? |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 11:22 AM |
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Obama and Hillary have exactly the same voting record on the war. |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 11:30 AM |
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And which one has closer ties to the military industrial complex? |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 11:36 AM |
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I'm disappointed in both of them. I supported Kucinich, then Biden, then Edwards. |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 12:51 PM |
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This is how the DNC acted before Dr. Dean took over....Terry McAuliffe's |
loudsue |
Feb-18-08 01:25 PM |
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it saddens me to read these posts. |
mopinko |
Feb-17-08 07:49 PM |
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If it does not represent Obama's feelings, he has to do but one thing: |
Bluebear |
Feb-17-08 09:45 PM |
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he has spoken out, and you know it. |
mopinko |
Feb-17-08 11:33 PM |
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Obama's pretty press release cannot be reconciled with the ugly actions of his campaign. |
Bluebear |
Feb-18-08 06:11 AM |
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you do not understand obama. acceptance, which you claim |
mopinko |
Feb-18-08 11:02 AM |
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Here we go again. He didn't "work with" someone who disagreed with him. |
Bluebear |
Feb-18-08 06:37 PM |
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well, i know i won't convince you |
mopinko |
Feb-18-08 09:59 PM |
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ok, i said i would drop it, but i want to say one more thing. |
mopinko |
Feb-18-08 10:52 PM |
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If he said that |
Bluenorthwest |
Feb-18-08 08:13 AM |
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Are you Obama? If not, how do you know it doesn't represent his feelings? |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 10:19 AM |
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you apparently do not know his record. |
mopinko |
Feb-18-08 10:55 AM |
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What was the outcome of Obama's legislation? |
yardwork |
Feb-18-08 10:59 AM |
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Condescending |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 07:52 PM |
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i'm not being condescending. i am trying to be as respectful |
mopinko |
Feb-18-08 10:04 PM |
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Still a problem for me but I still support Obama... |
Baby Snooks |
Feb-18-08 01:25 AM |
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Bluebear |
yourguide |
Feb-18-08 07:46 AM |
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Your analogy does not work. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-18-08 07:53 AM |
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My point is |
yourguide |
Feb-18-08 08:02 AM |
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Very telling post. Thanks, proud2Blib. |
Oregonian |
Feb-17-08 07:35 PM |
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It's really sad |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:40 PM |
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This is what you get with Entitlement candidates. |
ErnestoG |
Feb-17-08 07:53 PM |
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from what I've read and saw on the TV news shows this am, your experience is not surprising. |
Bread and Circus |
Feb-17-08 07:45 PM |
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You'd think she knew enough about campaigning than to depend on bad advice |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:50 PM |
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Thanks for that full story |
WesDem |
Feb-17-08 07:46 PM |
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That's Great News! |
zidzi |
Feb-17-08 07:49 PM |
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I don't think our state DFA has endorsed anyone yet |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:51 PM |
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her rep at our party endorsement meeting was like |
mopinko |
Feb-17-08 07:47 PM |
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Very well written, supportive statement |
zidzi |
Feb-17-08 07:48 PM |
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That's about the most unusual Obama graphic I have seen |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:52 PM |
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It goes well with the sig |
zidzi |
Feb-17-08 08:17 PM |
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Sounds like you're blaming Hillary for things that she herself would be pissed to know about. |
Rageneau |
Feb-17-08 07:50 PM |
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I don't know her but I would like to think she would be concerned |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 07:54 PM |
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She made the exact same mistake in 1993 with health care. She kicked out the grass roots |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-17-08 08:12 PM |
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I have noticed, right here at DU, that Hillary's campaign seems to attract arrogant people |
earthlover |
Feb-17-08 08:17 PM |
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I have been surprised by some of the DUers who are supporting her |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:57 PM |
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It's Not Just At DU |
NikolaC |
Feb-18-08 10:27 AM |
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Call me arrogant |
Demo5 |
Feb-18-08 11:56 AM |
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Clinton is running a top-down campaign. |
Tatiana |
Feb-17-08 07:51 PM |
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Yes it is wrong to ignore the grassroots |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:03 PM |
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Good -- you made this into its own thread! K&R nt |
Yael |
Feb-17-08 07:57 PM |
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Great post, proud, and thank you for sharing! It's too bad you were |
babylonsister |
Feb-17-08 08:00 PM |
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And I am sure we will jump up and work for Hillary if she gets the nomination |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:06 PM |
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I voted Obama as well (In kcmo) |
GoPsUx |
Feb-17-08 08:04 PM |
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What a gorgeous picture! nt |
babylonsister |
Feb-17-08 08:07 PM |
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You should get involved with DFA! |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:07 PM |
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I know ..I know |
GoPsUx |
Feb-17-08 08:18 PM |
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DFHA is having an event next Sat |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:41 PM |
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Let me ask a question of you |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-17-08 08:11 PM |
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Both are now saying they will begin to bring our troops home as soon as they are in office |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:47 PM |
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"Begin" |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-17-08 10:09 PM |
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So who are you going to support? |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 10:25 PM |
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To answer the first part |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 09:35 AM |
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No the movement isn't dead! |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 10:53 AM |
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Really? |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 11:05 AM |
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The ones who get elected are the ones who have the power to end the war |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 11:20 AM |
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But they won't use it!!!! |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 11:36 AM |
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Walking away from it won't change anything |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 12:14 PM |
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I see your point |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 01:05 PM |
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Nice rant, but I don't see how it applies to the reality of the election in November. |
krkaufman |
Feb-18-08 12:08 AM |
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I have a choice between many candidates |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 09:21 AM |
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You *may* vote for Elmer Fudd. |
krkaufman |
Feb-18-08 09:49 AM |
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And who would have thought a pro wrestler would be governor? |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 10:56 AM |
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Then you're either misinterpreting what I said, or intentionally obfuscating. |
krkaufman |
Feb-18-08 12:52 PM |
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The election process offers numerous choices |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 01:04 PM |
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"Validity" has nothing to do with it. Pragmatism does. |
krkaufman |
Feb-18-08 01:12 PM |
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And you realize by making this "pragmatic" choice you ensure that |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 07:57 PM |
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Can't you answer a simple question...? |
krkaufman |
Feb-19-08 11:05 PM |
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This may at least partially answer your very good question. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-18-08 01:45 AM |
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Ah, I like David a lot |
DaDooRonRon |
Feb-18-08 10:46 AM |
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Dean part of the mainstream???? |
dansolo |
Feb-18-08 08:11 PM |
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As you may know, I'm also supporting Obama over Hillary. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-17-08 08:25 PM |
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Here! Here! |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:49 PM |
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I also think your piece (OP) is extremely worthy of that use n/t |
I Vote In Pittsburgh |
Feb-17-08 09:41 PM |
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K&R |
WolverineDG |
Feb-17-08 08:32 PM |
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This isn't entirely true |
eridani |
Feb-17-08 08:32 PM |
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I am glad to hear that about your local campaign |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:52 PM |
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I have just became an Obama supporter also. |
Fox Mulder |
Feb-17-08 08:44 PM |
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I'm just happy you made your decision. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-17-08 08:47 PM |
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It is like 68, that's very true |
proud2Blib |
Feb-17-08 08:53 PM |
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Good POINT..It will be |
zidzi |
Feb-17-08 08:54 PM |
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Absolutely inspiring, Proud2b.. so happy to hear from you ! And glad to |
K Gardner |
Feb-17-08 08:57 PM |
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What a wonderful post, proud! |
protect our future |
Feb-17-08 09:16 PM |
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Of course I will be there |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 12:10 AM |
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You rock, proud! n/t |
protect our future |
Feb-18-08 06:36 PM |
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Thanks for a thoughtful and informative post. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-08 09:34 PM |
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K & R |
ellisonz |
Feb-17-08 09:35 PM |
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Wow !!! - Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 09:40 PM |
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Excellent post AND thread. K&R n/t |
Laurab |
Feb-17-08 11:05 PM |
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We've had 8 years of arrogance and hubris... |
AZBlue |
Feb-17-08 11:13 PM |
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Correction - 16 years |
dansolo |
Feb-18-08 08:13 PM |
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Hey, I'm proud to be liberal, too! Glad to hear you're going to support Obama. |
Major Hogwash |
Feb-17-08 11:43 PM |
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I'm voting for Obama cuz ... |
demonsweat |
Feb-18-08 12:10 AM |
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he such an inspiration! |
demonsweat |
Feb-18-08 12:19 AM |
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You such a troll! |
Redstone |
Feb-18-08 12:59 AM |
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LOL |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 05:00 PM |
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Hillary spent $5 million on one staffer. Obama spent $20 million on thousands. |
joshcryer |
Feb-18-08 01:44 AM |
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Poor judgment IS an issue. (nt) |
woolldog |
Feb-18-08 03:40 AM |
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And there is very little difference between them on most issues |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 04:51 PM |
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The reason you didn't get a call is that it isn't |
grantcart |
Feb-18-08 01:49 AM |
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Welcome to team Obama. We'll get you some coffee anything else we can do for you just ask. = ) |
cooolandrew |
Feb-18-08 02:11 AM |
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thank you, proud2Blib |
sonias |
Feb-18-08 02:12 AM |
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I saw a post somewhere that pointed out the Poll threads |
intaglio |
Feb-18-08 02:48 AM |
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What an honor |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 04:55 PM |
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Our local Democratic organization was shunned by both |
liberal N proud |
Feb-18-08 06:04 AM |
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Are you in a March 4th state? |
alteredstate |
Feb-18-08 06:19 AM |
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Ohio |
liberal N proud |
Feb-18-08 06:23 AM |
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They probably don't have any available staff members to send to your forum. |
alteredstate |
Feb-18-08 06:46 AM |
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One line of yours speaks volumes |
DeeDeeNY |
Feb-18-08 07:20 AM |
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I really get the sense that the Clinton's are out of touch with the party base |
Geek_Girl |
Feb-18-08 09:09 AM |
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this isn't uncommon |
Ahmed |
Feb-18-08 09:23 AM |
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Who is least like Bush?? |
Maineman |
Feb-18-08 11:44 AM |
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Obama or third party |
greengestalt |
Feb-18-08 12:40 PM |
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Oh Please ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-18-08 12:41 PM |
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I couldn't have until she changed her stance on withdrawl from Iraq |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 04:49 PM |
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K&r. |
Kurovski |
Feb-18-08 01:14 PM |
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I had to wade through the literature from the Obama campaign... |
puebloknot |
Feb-18-08 03:24 PM |
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I have no idea how widespread this phenomenon is... |
Orsino |
Feb-18-08 04:23 PM |
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So you're basing your choice for President on... |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 05:44 PM |
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No, not me, |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 06:22 PM |
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Smarmy, smarmy, smarmy... |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 07:40 PM |
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The real republican world? |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 07:51 PM |
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Life long Democrat |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 07:56 PM |
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And, it looks like I did know what DFA is... |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 07:46 PM |
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You've been here 10 days |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 07:55 PM |
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No doubt in my mind there are Dean supporters here... |
democrat_nanny |
Feb-18-08 08:02 PM |
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You started this exchange by insulting ME |
proud2Blib |
Feb-18-08 08:04 PM |
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I agree. Last week, there was a post from an Iowa resident regarding why Obama |
muntrv |
Feb-18-08 06:34 PM |
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What should be more important in making a choice? |
poomie123 |
Feb-18-08 08:25 PM |
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Hope it works out for you. |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-19-08 11:07 PM |
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Was wondering if you saw this little nugget |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-20-08 05:45 PM |
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. |
CorpGovActivist |
Feb-21-08 02:19 AM |
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Your post really demonsrates the efiicacy of |
mythyc |
Feb-21-08 02:57 AM |
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