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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:30 AM
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99. Obama and Hillary have exactly the same voting record on the war.
If you want to believe that Obama would have voted against IWR, go right ahead. He wasn't in the senate at the time. As a representative to a very liberal district in Illinois, there was no risk at all for him to speak out against the war. Once he hit the senate, his voting has been a completely different story.

They're the same on the war.
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  -Why I am an Obama supporter now proud2Blib  Feb-17-08 07:31 PM   #0 
  - Cool. But I didn't matter to Obama, that's why I can't support him.  Bluebear   Feb-17-08 07:34 PM   #1 
  - I understand perfectly why you feel as you do  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:38 PM   #3 
  - Everyone but Obama  Bluenorthwest   Feb-18-08 08:08 AM   #77 
  - So you're saying that it's ok for a candidate to treat other people badly?  yardwork   Feb-18-08 10:16 AM   #84 
  - "With the choice between Hillary and Barack, a lot of us are going to have to compromise somewhat...  delt664   Feb-18-08 10:33 AM   #87 
  - No I understand why he made the choice that he did  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 10:56 AM   #92 
     - So some human rights are more important than others?  yardwork   Feb-18-08 11:00 AM   #94 
        - So I should choose gay rights over the war?  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 11:22 AM   #98 
           - Obama and Hillary have exactly the same voting record on the war.  yardwork   Feb-18-08 11:30 AM   #99 
              - And which one has closer ties to the military industrial complex?  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 11:36 AM   #100 
                 - I'm disappointed in both of them. I supported Kucinich, then Biden, then Edwards.  yardwork   Feb-18-08 12:51 PM   #107 
  - This is how the DNC acted before Dr. Dean took over....Terry McAuliffe's  loudsue   Feb-18-08 01:25 PM   #113 
  - it saddens me to read these posts.  mopinko   Feb-17-08 07:49 PM   #10 
  - If it does not represent Obama's feelings, he has to do but one thing:  Bluebear   Feb-17-08 09:45 PM   #48 
  - he has spoken out, and you know it.  mopinko   Feb-17-08 11:33 PM   #53 
  - Obama's pretty press release cannot be reconciled with the ugly actions of his campaign.  Bluebear   Feb-18-08 06:11 AM   #69 
     - you do not understand obama. acceptance, which you claim  mopinko   Feb-18-08 11:02 AM   #95 
        - Here we go again. He didn't "work with" someone who disagreed with him.  Bluebear   Feb-18-08 06:37 PM   #124 
           - well, i know i won't convince you  mopinko   Feb-18-08 09:59 PM   #137 
           - ok, i said i would drop it, but i want to say one more thing.  mopinko   Feb-18-08 10:52 PM   #139 
  - If he said that  Bluenorthwest   Feb-18-08 08:13 AM   #78 
  - Are you Obama? If not, how do you know it doesn't represent his feelings?  yardwork   Feb-18-08 10:19 AM   #85 
  - you apparently do not know his record.  mopinko   Feb-18-08 10:55 AM   #90 
     - What was the outcome of Obama's legislation?  yardwork   Feb-18-08 10:59 AM   #93 
  - Condescending  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 07:52 PM   #128 
     - i'm not being condescending. i am trying to be as respectful  mopinko   Feb-18-08 10:04 PM   #138 
  - Still a problem for me but I still support Obama...  Baby Snooks   Feb-18-08 01:25 AM   #60 
  - Bluebear  yourguide   Feb-18-08 07:46 AM   #74 
     - Your analogy does not work.  Jamastiene   Feb-18-08 07:53 AM   #75 
        - My point is  yourguide   Feb-18-08 08:02 AM   #76 
  - Very telling post. Thanks, proud2Blib.  Oregonian   Feb-17-08 07:35 PM   #2 
  - It's really sad  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:40 PM   #4 
     - This is what you get with Entitlement candidates.  ErnestoG   Feb-17-08 07:53 PM   #16 
  - from what I've read and saw on the TV news shows this am, your experience is not surprising.  Bread and Circus   Feb-17-08 07:45 PM   #5 
  - You'd think she knew enough about campaigning than to depend on bad advice  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:50 PM   #11 
  - Thanks for that full story  WesDem   Feb-17-08 07:46 PM   #6 
  - That's Great News!  zidzi   Feb-17-08 07:49 PM   #9 
  - I don't think our state DFA has endorsed anyone yet  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:51 PM   #14 
  - her rep at our party endorsement meeting was like  mopinko   Feb-17-08 07:47 PM   #7 
  - Very well written, supportive statement  zidzi   Feb-17-08 07:48 PM   #8 
  - That's about the most unusual Obama graphic I have seen  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:52 PM   #15 
     - It goes well with the sig  zidzi   Feb-17-08 08:17 PM   #27 
  - Sounds like you're blaming Hillary for things that she herself would be pissed to know about.  Rageneau   Feb-17-08 07:50 PM   #12 
  - I don't know her but I would like to think she would be concerned  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 07:54 PM   #17 
  - She made the exact same mistake in 1993 with health care. She kicked out the grass roots  John Q. Citizen   Feb-17-08 08:12 PM   #26 
  - I have noticed, right here at DU, that Hillary's campaign seems to attract arrogant people  earthlover   Feb-17-08 08:17 PM   #28 
     - I have been surprised by some of the DUers who are supporting her  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:57 PM   #42 
     - It's Not Just At DU  NikolaC   Feb-18-08 10:27 AM   #86 
     - Call me arrogant  Demo5   Feb-18-08 11:56 AM   #103 
  - Clinton is running a top-down campaign.  Tatiana   Feb-17-08 07:51 PM   #13 
  - Yes it is wrong to ignore the grassroots  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:03 PM   #20 
  - Good -- you made this into its own thread! K&R nt  Yael   Feb-17-08 07:57 PM   #18 
  - Great post, proud, and thank you for sharing! It's too bad you were  babylonsister   Feb-17-08 08:00 PM   #19 
  - And I am sure we will jump up and work for Hillary if she gets the nomination  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:06 PM   #22 
  - I voted Obama as well (In kcmo)  GoPsUx   Feb-17-08 08:04 PM   #21 
  - What a gorgeous picture! nt  babylonsister   Feb-17-08 08:07 PM   #23 
  - You should get involved with DFA!  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:07 PM   #24 
     - I know ..I know  GoPsUx   Feb-17-08 08:18 PM   #29 
        - DFHA is having an event next Sat  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:41 PM   #33 
  - Let me ask a question of you  DaDooRonRon   Feb-17-08 08:11 PM   #25 
  - Both are now saying they will begin to bring our troops home as soon as they are in office  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:47 PM   #36 
  - "Begin"  DaDooRonRon   Feb-17-08 10:09 PM   #49 
     - So who are you going to support?  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 10:25 PM   #50 
     - To answer the first part  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 09:35 AM   #82 
        - No the movement isn't dead!  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 10:53 AM   #89 
           - Really?  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 11:05 AM   #96 
              - The ones who get elected are the ones who have the power to end the war  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 11:20 AM   #97 
                 - But they won't use it!!!!  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 11:36 AM   #101 
                    - Walking away from it won't change anything  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 12:14 PM   #104 
                       - I see your point  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 01:05 PM   #110 
     - Nice rant, but I don't see how it applies to the reality of the election in November.  krkaufman   Feb-18-08 12:08 AM   #55 
        - I have a choice between many candidates  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 09:21 AM   #80 
           - You *may* vote for Elmer Fudd.  krkaufman   Feb-18-08 09:49 AM   #83 
              - And who would have thought a pro wrestler would be governor?  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 10:56 AM   #91 
                 - Then you're either misinterpreting what I said, or intentionally obfuscating.  krkaufman   Feb-18-08 12:52 PM   #108 
                    - The election process offers numerous choices  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 01:04 PM   #109 
                       - "Validity" has nothing to do with it. Pragmatism does.  krkaufman   Feb-18-08 01:12 PM   #111 
                          - And you realize by making this "pragmatic" choice you ensure that  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 07:57 PM   #131 
                             - Can't you answer a simple question...?  krkaufman   Feb-19-08 11:05 PM   #140 
  - This may at least partially answer your very good question.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-18-08 01:45 AM   #62 
     - Ah, I like David a lot  DaDooRonRon   Feb-18-08 10:46 AM   #88 
        - Dean part of the mainstream????  dansolo   Feb-18-08 08:11 PM   #134 
  - As you may know, I'm also supporting Obama over Hillary.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-17-08 08:25 PM   #30 
  - Here! Here!  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:49 PM   #37 
  - I also think your piece (OP) is extremely worthy of that use n/t  I Vote In Pittsburgh   Feb-17-08 09:41 PM   #47 
  - K&R  WolverineDG   Feb-17-08 08:32 PM   #31 
  - This isn't entirely true  eridani   Feb-17-08 08:32 PM   #32 
  - I am glad to hear that about your local campaign  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:52 PM   #38 
  - I have just became an Obama supporter also.  Fox Mulder   Feb-17-08 08:44 PM   #34 
  - I'm just happy you made your decision.  David Zephyr   Feb-17-08 08:47 PM   #35 
  - It is like 68, that's very true  proud2Blib   Feb-17-08 08:53 PM   #39 
  - Good POINT..It will be  zidzi   Feb-17-08 08:54 PM   #40 
  - Absolutely inspiring, Proud2b.. so happy to hear from you ! And glad to  K Gardner   Feb-17-08 08:57 PM   #41 
  - What a wonderful post, proud!  protect our future   Feb-17-08 09:16 PM   #43 
  - Of course I will be there  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 12:10 AM   #56 
     - You rock, proud! n/t  protect our future   Feb-18-08 06:36 PM   #123 
  - Thanks for a thoughtful and informative post.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-08 09:34 PM   #44 
  - K & R  ellisonz   Feb-17-08 09:35 PM   #45 
  - Wow !!! - Excellent Post !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Feb-17-08 09:40 PM   #46 
  - Excellent post AND thread. K&R n/t  Laurab   Feb-17-08 11:05 PM   #51 
  - We've had 8 years of arrogance and hubris...  AZBlue   Feb-17-08 11:13 PM   #52 
  - Correction - 16 years  dansolo   Feb-18-08 08:13 PM   #135 
  - Hey, I'm proud to be liberal, too! Glad to hear you're going to support Obama.  Major Hogwash   Feb-17-08 11:43 PM   #54 
  - I'm voting for Obama cuz ...  demonsweat   Feb-18-08 12:10 AM   #57 
  - he such an inspiration!  demonsweat   Feb-18-08 12:19 AM   #58 
     - You such a troll!  Redstone   Feb-18-08 12:59 AM   #59 
        - LOL  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 05:00 PM   #119 
  - Hillary spent $5 million on one staffer. Obama spent $20 million on thousands.  joshcryer   Feb-18-08 01:44 AM   #61 
  - Poor judgment IS an issue. (nt)  woolldog   Feb-18-08 03:40 AM   #67 
  - And there is very little difference between them on most issues  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 04:51 PM   #117 
  - The reason you didn't get a call is that it isn't  grantcart   Feb-18-08 01:49 AM   #63 
  - Welcome to team Obama. We'll get you some coffee anything else we can do for you just ask. = )  cooolandrew   Feb-18-08 02:11 AM   #64 
  - thank you, proud2Blib  sonias   Feb-18-08 02:12 AM   #65 
  - I saw a post somewhere that pointed out the Poll threads  intaglio   Feb-18-08 02:48 AM   #66 
  - What an honor  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 04:55 PM   #118 
  - Our local Democratic organization was shunned by both  liberal N proud   Feb-18-08 06:04 AM   #68 
  - Are you in a March 4th state?  alteredstate   Feb-18-08 06:19 AM   #70 
     - Ohio  liberal N proud   Feb-18-08 06:23 AM   #71 
        - They probably don't have any available staff members to send to your forum.  alteredstate   Feb-18-08 06:46 AM   #72 
  - One line of yours speaks volumes  DeeDeeNY   Feb-18-08 07:20 AM   #73 
  - I really get the sense that the Clinton's are out of touch with the party base  Geek_Girl   Feb-18-08 09:09 AM   #79 
  - this isn't uncommon  Ahmed   Feb-18-08 09:23 AM   #81 
  - Who is least like Bush??  Maineman   Feb-18-08 11:44 AM   #102 
  - Obama or third party  greengestalt   Feb-18-08 12:40 PM   #105 
  - Oh Please ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-18-08 12:41 PM   #106 
  - I couldn't have until she changed her stance on withdrawl from Iraq  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 04:49 PM   #116 
  - K&r.  Kurovski   Feb-18-08 01:14 PM   #112 
  - I had to wade through the literature from the Obama campaign...  puebloknot   Feb-18-08 03:24 PM   #114 
  - I have no idea how widespread this phenomenon is...  Orsino   Feb-18-08 04:23 PM   #115 
  - So you're basing your choice for President on...  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 05:44 PM   #120 
  - No, not me,  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 06:22 PM   #121 
     - Smarmy, smarmy, smarmy...  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 07:40 PM   #125 
     - The real republican world?  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 07:51 PM   #127 
        - Life long Democrat  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 07:56 PM   #130 
     - And, it looks like I did know what DFA is...  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 07:46 PM   #126 
        - You've been here 10 days  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 07:55 PM   #129 
           - No doubt in my mind there are Dean supporters here...  democrat_nanny   Feb-18-08 08:02 PM   #132 
              - You started this exchange by insulting ME  proud2Blib   Feb-18-08 08:04 PM   #133 
  - I agree. Last week, there was a post from an Iowa resident regarding why Obama  muntrv   Feb-18-08 06:34 PM   #122 
  - What should be more important in making a choice?  poomie123   Feb-18-08 08:25 PM   #136 
  - Hope it works out for you.  Horse with no Name   Feb-19-08 11:07 PM   #141 
  - Was wondering if you saw this little nugget  Horse with no Name   Feb-20-08 05:45 PM   #142 
  - .  CorpGovActivist   Feb-21-08 02:19 AM   #143 
  - Your post really demonsrates the efiicacy of  mythyc   Feb-21-08 02:57 AM   #144 
 

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