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| 114. side by side comparison...... |
| -Obama flirts with plagiarism? "Just words." Decide for yourself. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 01:59 PM |
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get out of here |
Unsane |
Feb-17-08 02:01 PM |
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Hard to listen to, isn't it? It's something BO has to deal with. |
elixir |
Feb-18-08 11:33 AM |
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I'm sure Deval Patrick is quite upset. If you're going to go that route, |
babylonsister |
Feb-17-08 02:01 PM |
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Well, I think the words Patrick used (and Obama) are ... |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:05 PM |
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Then where's the beef/what's the point of this whole thread? nt |
babylonsister |
Feb-17-08 02:07 PM |
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indeed. n/t |
helderheid |
Feb-17-08 02:08 PM |
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There is no point. |
Yael |
Feb-17-08 02:09 PM |
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It's not that "I have a dream" needs attribution. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:10 PM |
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This is about as ridiculous |
blogslut |
Feb-17-08 02:52 PM |
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Actually it was Hillary who said "just words" |
catgirl |
Feb-18-08 09:32 AM |
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Actually, it's the voters of Massachusetts that are upset .... |
Maribelle |
Feb-18-08 06:59 AM |
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You got that right. Duval needs to step up the action and build some relationships on Beacon H. |
elixir |
Feb-18-08 11:40 AM |
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have you considered that they may have used the same speechwriter? |
pitohui |
Feb-17-08 02:01 PM |
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I suppose that is possible. It wouldn't be a good thing... |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:03 PM |
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The speechwriter should be FIRED, then. You don't "reuse" the same frigging speech for 2 different |
MADem |
Feb-17-08 02:46 PM |
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Schuster, speechwriters... anyone else you want fired? |
BushDespiser12 |
Feb-17-08 04:08 PM |
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er... when a WRITER plagiarizes, wouldn't that be grounds for firing? |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 06:56 AM |
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You Hillary supporters are working extra hard today |
DJ13 |
Feb-17-08 02:04 PM |
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I am a Hillary supporter, so maybe this is just bias. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:06 PM |
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Ah yes--Neil Kinnock. At least Joe went 'far afield' for his nuggets. NT |
MADem |
Feb-17-08 02:48 PM |
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So Hillary is using Kerry Healy's Republican smear tactics?? |
sandnsea |
Feb-17-08 02:06 PM |
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No problem using the strategy. But you can't use the same ... |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:08 PM |
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Maybe Barack loaned them to Deval |
sandnsea |
Feb-17-08 02:10 PM |
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Could be. But it is no "smear." |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:16 PM |
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if you consider this an issue, then I have a guy larry u might want to meet |
crimsonblue |
Feb-17-08 05:11 PM |
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get used to it and save the f bombs for the real attacks. |
elixir |
Feb-18-08 11:51 AM |
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Are you concerned about the plagiarism |
jbnow |
Feb-18-08 06:46 AM |
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That's about right. BO should make his own speeches and start doing something. This stuff can sink a |
elixir |
Feb-18-08 11:47 AM |
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No Sale. |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-17-08 02:07 PM |
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Someone here posted these famous quotes (along with quite a few others) |
Yael |
Feb-17-08 02:08 PM |
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I posted a few other instances of his plagiarism, as well... |
LadyVT |
Feb-17-08 02:12 PM |
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So You Admit He Is A Phony His Speechwriter Did it Remember 16 Words? |
Ivote |
Feb-17-08 02:12 PM |
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It will for his supporters. They're like die-hard Bush supporters. |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 06:57 AM |
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Feb-17-08 02:11 PM |
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I believe they share a speechwriter. |
bunnies |
Feb-17-08 02:12 PM |
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gulliver, this could be considered plagiarism if your writing a paper without |
UALRBSofL |
Feb-17-08 02:14 PM |
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Patrick's campaign in Massachusetts was run as a prototype for Obama's |
Maribelle |
Feb-17-08 02:16 PM |
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Is it too late for them to run as a group? Where does it say a candidate |
Benhurst |
Feb-17-08 02:35 PM |
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"now infamous 10/26/2002 speech" |
Inuca |
Feb-17-08 02:52 PM |
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Oh no the sky is falling! both Obama and Patrick use the same writer! [rending of garments] |
LeviathanCrumbling |
Feb-17-08 02:47 PM |
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I don't think we classify political leaders with pop singers. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 02:59 PM |
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Maybe one was quoting the other. They are friends, after all, |
Vinca |
Feb-17-08 02:56 PM |
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The one doing the quoting is supposed to provide attribution. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 03:03 PM |
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Then each is in deep doodoo with JFK and MLK. nt |
Vinca |
Feb-17-08 03:21 PM |
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Someone in a past post pointed out how he likes to "borrow" some expressions from MLK, too |
mtnsnake |
Feb-17-08 03:03 PM |
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In all fairness, It's not like he writes his speeches himself. Sorensen regashes old goodies |
robbedvoter |
Feb-17-08 03:04 PM |
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political speech plagiarism |
madrchsod |
Feb-17-08 03:05 PM |
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As I remember it, it eventually cost Biden the nomination. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 03:19 PM |
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we didn't just get stuck with Dukakis |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Feb-18-08 07:57 PM |
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ZOMG I HOPE THE PROFESSOR FLUNKS OBAMA |
Moochy |
Feb-17-08 03:05 PM |
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It's not plagiarism, it's talking points |
InsultComicDog |
Feb-17-08 03:06 PM |
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Oh the irony. Hillary has never spoken an original thought in her life. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-08 03:07 PM |
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If Hillary had an instance like this, it would bother me a lot. |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 03:24 PM |
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All Hillary has are instances like this. If you have to be told, you're not listening. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-08 03:59 PM |
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Governor Patrick is supporting Obama - the most logical explanation is... |
stahbrett |
Feb-17-08 03:13 PM |
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??? |
Skittles |
Feb-18-08 04:12 AM |
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He said they exchange lines all the time. |
tekisui |
Feb-18-08 06:47 AM |
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Definition of plagiarizing: Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language... |
stahbrett |
Feb-18-08 07:58 AM |
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Barack is Deval writ large. And will be a larger failure if elected than Deval has been. |
MethuenProgressive |
Feb-17-08 03:15 PM |
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Yeah, I noticed that |
gaspee |
Feb-17-08 03:46 PM |
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Feb-17-08 05:46 PM |
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excuse me? |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 07:01 AM |
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And THAT'S what I'm afraid of. But try to get any reassurance that this is not the case |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 07:00 AM |
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Maybe a bit over the top, but, basically, accurate. Duval needs to build relationshiops, not speech |
elixir |
Feb-18-08 11:43 AM |
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God forbid he decides to quote Shakespeare w/out attribution then. Not only that.... |
Hekate |
Feb-17-08 03:48 PM |
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Shakespeare is fair game - public domain. Besides, when people quote Shakespeare, they generally |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 07:02 AM |
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Didn't think I needed to use my sarcasm smilie to make my point. Also... |
Hekate |
Feb-18-08 04:09 PM |
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Do you write the headlines for Faux's News ticker? |
BushDespiser12 |
Feb-17-08 03:50 PM |
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I did a google search |
Gore1FL |
Feb-17-08 03:56 PM |
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Try "just words" self evident fear itself |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 04:16 PM |
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Your concern is noted |
Moochy |
Feb-17-08 05:32 PM |
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I mostly think it is silly |
Gore1FL |
Feb-17-08 08:46 PM |
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This is a joke, right? |
faygokid |
Feb-17-08 04:03 PM |
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"This is a joke, right?" That's a joke, right? n/t |
gulliver |
Feb-17-08 04:24 PM |
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"This is a joke, right?" "That's a joke, right?" That too is a joke, right? |
faygokid |
Feb-17-08 04:53 PM |
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When Biden did it and forgot to attribute it the msm took him down in 1988 |
jackson_dem |
Feb-17-08 05:02 PM |
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Politico: "A rival campaign circulated a pair of YouTube links on Sunday..." |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-17-08 09:52 PM |
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This may be getting some traction in MSM |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:15 AM |
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Let's keep this thread and a more recent related one Kicked |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:23 AM |
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At the very Least |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:32 AM |
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Wow, and just when I thought the last straw was grasped at... |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 03:37 AM |
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remember Joe Biden? |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:39 AM |
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There are different standards... |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 03:54 AM |
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Two Phonies do not between one authentic politician make |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:57 AM |
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Wow! Definitely seems like plagarism to me. |
avrdream |
Feb-18-08 03:42 AM |
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Wasn't Plagarism -- Deval wanted Obama to use it -- Read the NYTimes article here.. |
quantass |
Feb-18-08 03:43 AM |
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Are you saying because Deval told Obama to copy that makes it okay? |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:44 AM |
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Please look up the definition for: "plagiarism" -- it has not been committed here. |
quantass |
Feb-18-08 03:48 AM |
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you know that all politicians use speech writers don't you? |
Moh96 |
Feb-18-08 03:55 AM |
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Yes |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 03:56 AM |
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A speech writer is the agent of the person who pays him. |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:59 AM |
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first you need to watch your tone when you speak about Obama |
Moh96 |
Feb-18-08 04:04 AM |
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Hey Mr. Authoritarian A-Hole.... |
DURHAM D |
Feb-18-08 09:48 AM |
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It most certainly was plagiarism. |
Maribelle |
Feb-18-08 05:43 AM |
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This article is the end of the argument...... |
Kaylee |
Feb-18-08 08:50 AM |
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Just because your friend says you can copy from him |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 08:57 AM |
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An Old Story about Biden for the younger folks in our crowd |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:48 AM |
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The obvious difference is Biden didn't have permission, try again -nt |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 03:57 AM |
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If your friend permits you to cheat |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 04:02 AM |
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what friends and what exams and WTF are you talking about |
Moh96 |
Feb-18-08 04:07 AM |
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Usually when you have persmission to use someone else's words, you still credit them. |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 07:04 AM |
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Biden copied FIVE PAGES from a published article |
Ino |
Feb-18-08 08:58 AM |
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Desperate Clinton supporters yet again... |
my3boyz |
Feb-18-08 03:51 AM |
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Admit it. Your guy is a phony! |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 03:54 AM |
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Oh my god... pot meet kettle! |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 03:59 AM |
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Obamamania |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:01 AM |
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Wow, aren't you Mr. Optimism... it doesn't surprise me that you missed the boat on this one -nt |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 04:03 AM |
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Optimism |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:15 AM |
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You right. You are hopelessly pessimistic. I hope you vote anyway. -nt |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 04:22 AM |
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Obamamania |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 03:59 AM |
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Um... news flash... most Obama supporters are well aware he doesn't write his own speeches |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 04:02 AM |
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some politicians do write their own speeches |
Skittles |
Feb-18-08 04:19 AM |
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That "Rezco crap" that you refer to might just fly after all. |
avrdream |
Feb-18-08 03:59 AM |
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Damn! Defending against the shameless smears, I feel like I'm helping to perform "an exorcism" |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-18-08 04:02 AM |
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obamamania = naive |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:06 AM |
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Of course it is... since it is being picked up by fucking Democrats. |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 04:14 AM |
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My daughter |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:23 AM |
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So your voting for the government requiring that you buy healthcare? |
NMMatt |
Feb-18-08 04:37 AM |
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there is a difference |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:42 AM |
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If they are independently wealthy, they will pay their own bills. |
dkf |
Feb-18-08 08:00 AM |
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wtf? |
Skittles |
Feb-18-08 04:26 AM |
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I noticed that too |
Popol Vuh |
Feb-18-08 04:31 AM |
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Pft |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:33 AM |
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I agree that Obama does not currenly live up to his reputation |
Skittles |
Feb-18-08 04:36 AM |
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dammit |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:47 AM |
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IMO |
Popol Vuh |
Feb-18-08 04:48 AM |
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I hadz to cope |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 05:00 AM |
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If Obama is the nominee, Rezko will become an issue. |
Rockholm |
Feb-18-08 09:18 AM |
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Oh Brother!.... |
Popol Vuh |
Feb-18-08 04:19 AM |
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Not desperation |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:28 AM |
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"Canary in the coal mine" |
Popol Vuh |
Feb-18-08 04:38 AM |
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we will see |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 04:54 AM |
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not really |
johnnydrama |
Feb-18-08 05:09 AM |
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2002 - a history lesson |
Buve |
Feb-18-08 05:17 AM |
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This isn't riffing, it's theft... As bad, or worse than what |
JCMach1 |
Feb-18-08 05:11 AM |
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MSNBC Just did a piece on it. Not very good. Does it give you pause? |
MassDemm |
Feb-18-08 05:51 AM |
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hmmf. Are you kidding? His supporters never question anything he does. |
Iris |
Feb-18-08 07:04 AM |
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Flirts? |
Maribelle |
Feb-18-08 05:53 AM |
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And we must remember that |
susankh4 |
Feb-18-08 07:10 AM |
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I've often read that common sense seems to fade when one is awarded a doctoral degree. |
Maribelle |
Feb-18-08 08:24 AM |
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side by side comparison...... |
MassDemm |
Feb-18-08 06:20 AM |
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It is a little generic. I don't see it as plagarism. |
Glimmer of Hope |
Feb-18-08 06:53 AM |
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many on DU have said those exact words in response |
dcindian |
Feb-18-08 06:58 AM |
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Whoopsie! This is what sank Joe Biden once upon a time |
Tarc |
Feb-18-08 06:59 AM |
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It looks like Hillaryworld is REALLY getting scared now |
zulchzulu |
Feb-18-08 07:15 AM |
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Without an acknowledgement this is plagiarism pure and simple |
JCMach1 |
Feb-18-08 08:11 AM |
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On Iraq, there are HRC statements that come close to |
karynnj |
Feb-18-08 07:31 AM |
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The words in the speeches are identical. |
Tennessee Gal |
Feb-18-08 07:49 AM |
#131 |
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Obama began sounding alot like Deval in NH |
Marrah_G |
Feb-18-08 07:54 AM |
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Mr Authenticity? |
kennetha |
Feb-18-08 08:16 AM |
#137 |
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You people are hilarious...both these men are quoting |
dkf |
Feb-18-08 08:06 AM |
#135 |
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It wasn't the quoting of MLK and JFK |
Maribelle |
Feb-18-08 08:39 AM |
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Every speech is plagierized to some extent... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Feb-18-08 09:14 AM |
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We Black Preachers... |
Joshua N |
Feb-18-08 11:12 AM |
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Hi, me again. |
Vektor |
Feb-18-08 08:42 PM |
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Sounds like desperation. |
kentuck |
Feb-18-08 11:35 AM |
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Although the words were very similar, the difference was great... |
kentuck |
Feb-18-08 04:20 PM |
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You can find example after example |
carlotta |
Feb-18-08 04:51 PM |
#156 |
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