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10. Then where's the beef/what's the point of this whole thread? nt
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  -Obama flirts with plagiarism? "Just words." Decide for yourself. gulliver  Feb-17-08 01:59 PM   #0 
  - get out of here  Unsane   Feb-17-08 02:01 PM   #1 
  - Hard to listen to, isn't it? It's something BO has to deal with.  elixir   Feb-18-08 11:33 AM   #148 
  - I'm sure Deval Patrick is quite upset. If you're going to go that route,  babylonsister   Feb-17-08 02:01 PM   #2 
  - Well, I think the words Patrick used (and Obama) are ...  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:05 PM   #6 
  - Then where's the beef/what's the point of this whole thread? nt  babylonsister   Feb-17-08 02:07 PM   #10 
     - indeed. n/t  helderheid   Feb-17-08 02:08 PM   #13 
     - There is no point.  Yael   Feb-17-08 02:09 PM   #14 
     - It's not that "I have a dream" needs attribution.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:10 PM   #15 
        - This is about as ridiculous  blogslut   Feb-17-08 02:52 PM   #29 
        - Actually it was Hillary who said "just words"  catgirl   Feb-18-08 09:32 AM   #145 
  - Actually, it's the voters of Massachusetts that are upset ....  Maribelle   Feb-18-08 06:59 AM   #122 
     - You got that right. Duval needs to step up the action and build some relationships on Beacon H.  elixir   Feb-18-08 11:40 AM   #150 
  - have you considered that they may have used the same speechwriter?  pitohui   Feb-17-08 02:01 PM   #3 
  - I suppose that is possible. It wouldn't be a good thing...  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:03 PM   #4 
  - The speechwriter should be FIRED, then. You don't "reuse" the same frigging speech for 2 different  MADem   Feb-17-08 02:46 PM   #25 
     - Schuster, speechwriters... anyone else you want fired?  BushDespiser12   Feb-17-08 04:08 PM   #50 
        - er... when a WRITER plagiarizes, wouldn't that be grounds for firing?  Iris   Feb-18-08 06:56 AM   #118 
  - You Hillary supporters are working extra hard today  DJ13   Feb-17-08 02:04 PM   #5 
  - I am a Hillary supporter, so maybe this is just bias.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:06 PM   #8 
     - Ah yes--Neil Kinnock. At least Joe went 'far afield' for his nuggets. NT  MADem   Feb-17-08 02:48 PM   #27 
  - So Hillary is using Kerry Healy's Republican smear tactics??  sandnsea   Feb-17-08 02:06 PM   #7 
  - No problem using the strategy. But you can't use the same ...  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:08 PM   #12 
  - Maybe Barack loaned them to Deval  sandnsea   Feb-17-08 02:10 PM   #16 
     - Could be. But it is no "smear."  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:16 PM   #22 
        - if you consider this an issue, then I have a guy larry u might want to meet  crimsonblue   Feb-17-08 05:11 PM   #55 
        - get used to it and save the f bombs for the real attacks.  elixir   Feb-18-08 11:51 AM   #153 
        - Are you concerned about the plagiarism  jbnow   Feb-18-08 06:46 AM   #115 
  - That's about right. BO should make his own speeches and start doing something. This stuff can sink a  elixir   Feb-18-08 11:47 AM   #152 
  - No Sale.  ShortnFiery   Feb-17-08 02:07 PM   #9 
  - Someone here posted these famous quotes (along with quite a few others)  Yael   Feb-17-08 02:08 PM   #11 
  - I posted a few other instances of his plagiarism, as well...  LadyVT   Feb-17-08 02:12 PM   #18 
  - So You Admit He Is A Phony His Speechwriter Did it Remember 16 Words?  Ivote   Feb-17-08 02:12 PM   #19 
     - It will for his supporters. They're like die-hard Bush supporters.  Iris   Feb-18-08 06:57 AM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-17-08 02:11 PM   #17 
  - I believe they share a speechwriter.  bunnies   Feb-17-08 02:12 PM   #20 
  - gulliver, this could be considered plagiarism if your writing a paper without  UALRBSofL   Feb-17-08 02:14 PM   #21 
  - Patrick's campaign in Massachusetts was run as a prototype for Obama's  Maribelle   Feb-17-08 02:16 PM   #23 
  - Is it too late for them to run as a group? Where does it say a candidate  Benhurst   Feb-17-08 02:35 PM   #24 
  - "now infamous 10/26/2002 speech"  Inuca   Feb-17-08 02:52 PM   #28 
  - Oh no the sky is falling! both Obama and Patrick use the same writer! [rending of garments]  LeviathanCrumbling   Feb-17-08 02:47 PM   #26 
  - I don't think we classify political leaders with pop singers.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 02:59 PM   #31 
  - Maybe one was quoting the other. They are friends, after all,  Vinca   Feb-17-08 02:56 PM   #30 
  - The one doing the quoting is supposed to provide attribution.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 03:03 PM   #33 
     - Then each is in deep doodoo with JFK and MLK. nt  Vinca   Feb-17-08 03:21 PM   #42 
  - Someone in a past post pointed out how he likes to "borrow" some expressions from MLK, too  mtnsnake   Feb-17-08 03:03 PM   #32 
  - In all fairness, It's not like he writes his speeches himself. Sorensen regashes old goodies  robbedvoter   Feb-17-08 03:04 PM   #34 
  - political speech plagiarism  madrchsod   Feb-17-08 03:05 PM   #35 
  - As I remember it, it eventually cost Biden the nomination.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 03:19 PM   #41 
     - we didn't just get stuck with Dukakis  JoeIsOneOfUs   Feb-18-08 07:57 PM   #157 
  - ZOMG I HOPE THE PROFESSOR FLUNKS OBAMA  Moochy   Feb-17-08 03:05 PM   #36 
  - It's not plagiarism, it's talking points  InsultComicDog   Feb-17-08 03:06 PM   #37 
  - Oh the irony. Hillary has never spoken an original thought in her life.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-08 03:07 PM   #38 
  - If Hillary had an instance like this, it would bother me a lot.  gulliver   Feb-17-08 03:24 PM   #43 
     - All Hillary has are instances like this. If you have to be told, you're not listening.  TexasObserver   Feb-17-08 03:59 PM   #48 
  - Governor Patrick is supporting Obama - the most logical explanation is...  stahbrett   Feb-17-08 03:13 PM   #39 
  - ???  Skittles   Feb-18-08 04:12 AM   #89 
     - He said they exchange lines all the time.  tekisui   Feb-18-08 06:47 AM   #116 
     - Definition of plagiarizing: Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language...  stahbrett   Feb-18-08 07:58 AM   #133 
  - Barack is Deval writ large. And will be a larger failure if elected than Deval has been.  MethuenProgressive   Feb-17-08 03:15 PM   #40 
  - Yeah, I noticed that  gaspee   Feb-17-08 03:46 PM   #44 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-17-08 05:46 PM   #57 
  - excuse me?  Iris   Feb-18-08 07:01 AM   #124 
  - And THAT'S what I'm afraid of. But try to get any reassurance that this is not the case  Iris   Feb-18-08 07:00 AM   #123 
  - Maybe a bit over the top, but, basically, accurate. Duval needs to build relationshiops, not speech  elixir   Feb-18-08 11:43 AM   #151 
  - God forbid he decides to quote Shakespeare w/out attribution then. Not only that....  Hekate   Feb-17-08 03:48 PM   #45 
  - Shakespeare is fair game - public domain. Besides, when people quote Shakespeare, they generally  Iris   Feb-18-08 07:02 AM   #125 
     - Didn't think I needed to use my sarcasm smilie to make my point. Also...  Hekate   Feb-18-08 04:09 PM   #154 
  - Do you write the headlines for Faux's News ticker?  BushDespiser12   Feb-17-08 03:50 PM   #46 
  - I did a google search  Gore1FL   Feb-17-08 03:56 PM   #47 
  - Try "just words" self evident fear itself  gulliver   Feb-17-08 04:16 PM   #51 
     - Your concern is noted  Moochy   Feb-17-08 05:32 PM   #56 
     - I mostly think it is silly  Gore1FL   Feb-17-08 08:46 PM   #58 
  - This is a joke, right?  faygokid   Feb-17-08 04:03 PM   #49 
  - "This is a joke, right?" That's a joke, right? n/t  gulliver   Feb-17-08 04:24 PM   #52 
     - "This is a joke, right?" "That's a joke, right?" That too is a joke, right?  faygokid   Feb-17-08 04:53 PM   #53 
  - When Biden did it and forgot to attribute it the msm took him down in 1988  jackson_dem   Feb-17-08 05:02 PM   #54 
  - Politico: "A rival campaign circulated a pair of YouTube links on Sunday..."  Garbo 2004   Feb-17-08 09:52 PM   #59 
  - This may be getting some traction in MSM  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:15 AM   #60 
  - Let's keep this thread and a more recent related one Kicked  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:23 AM   #61 
  - At the very Least  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:32 AM   #62 
  - Wow, and just when I thought the last straw was grasped at...  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 03:37 AM   #63 
  - remember Joe Biden?  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:39 AM   #64 
     - There are different standards...  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 03:54 AM   #72 
        - Two Phonies do not between one authentic politician make  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:57 AM   #75 
  - Wow! Definitely seems like plagarism to me.  avrdream   Feb-18-08 03:42 AM   #65 
  - Wasn't Plagarism -- Deval wanted Obama to use it -- Read the NYTimes article here..  quantass   Feb-18-08 03:43 AM   #66 
  - Are you saying because Deval told Obama to copy that makes it okay?  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:44 AM   #67 
  - Please look up the definition for: "plagiarism" -- it has not been committed here.  quantass   Feb-18-08 03:48 AM   #69 
  - you know that all politicians use speech writers don't you?  Moh96   Feb-18-08 03:55 AM   #73 
  - Yes  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 03:56 AM   #74 
     - A speech writer is the agent of the person who pays him.  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:59 AM   #80 
        - first you need to watch your tone when you speak about Obama  Moh96   Feb-18-08 04:04 AM   #86 
           - Hey Mr. Authoritarian A-Hole....  DURHAM D   Feb-18-08 09:48 AM   #146 
  - It most certainly was plagiarism.  Maribelle   Feb-18-08 05:43 AM   #111 
  - This article is the end of the argument......  Kaylee   Feb-18-08 08:50 AM   #140 
     - Just because your friend says you can copy from him  kennetha   Feb-18-08 08:57 AM   #141 
  - An Old Story about Biden for the younger folks in our crowd  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:48 AM   #68 
  - The obvious difference is Biden didn't have permission, try again -nt  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 03:57 AM   #76 
  - If your friend permits you to cheat  kennetha   Feb-18-08 04:02 AM   #84 
  - what friends and what exams and WTF are you talking about  Moh96   Feb-18-08 04:07 AM   #88 
  - Usually when you have persmission to use someone else's words, you still credit them.  Iris   Feb-18-08 07:04 AM   #126 
  - Biden copied FIVE PAGES from a published article  Ino   Feb-18-08 08:58 AM   #142 
  - Desperate Clinton supporters yet again...  my3boyz   Feb-18-08 03:51 AM   #70 
  - Admit it. Your guy is a phony!  kennetha   Feb-18-08 03:54 AM   #71 
  - Oh my god... pot meet kettle!  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 03:59 AM   #77 
     - Obamamania  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:01 AM   #81 
        - Wow, aren't you Mr. Optimism... it doesn't surprise me that you missed the boat on this one -nt  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 04:03 AM   #85 
           - Optimism  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:15 AM   #91 
              - You right. You are hopelessly pessimistic. I hope you vote anyway. -nt  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 04:22 AM   #94 
  - Obamamania  Buve   Feb-18-08 03:59 AM   #78 
  - Um... news flash... most Obama supporters are well aware he doesn't write his own speeches  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 04:02 AM   #83 
     - some politicians do write their own speeches  Skittles   Feb-18-08 04:19 AM   #93 
  - That "Rezco crap" that you refer to might just fly after all.  avrdream   Feb-18-08 03:59 AM   #79 
  - Damn! Defending against the shameless smears, I feel like I'm helping to perform "an exorcism"  ShortnFiery   Feb-18-08 04:02 AM   #82 
  - obamamania = naive  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:06 AM   #87 
     - Of course it is... since it is being picked up by fucking Democrats.  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 04:14 AM   #90 
     - My daughter  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:23 AM   #95 
        - So your voting for the government requiring that you buy healthcare?  NMMatt   Feb-18-08 04:37 AM   #101 
           - there is a difference  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:42 AM   #103 
              - If they are independently wealthy, they will pay their own bills.  dkf   Feb-18-08 08:00 AM   #134 
     - wtf?  Skittles   Feb-18-08 04:26 AM   #96 
        - I noticed that too  Popol Vuh   Feb-18-08 04:31 AM   #98 
        - Pft  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:33 AM   #99 
           - I agree that Obama does not currenly live up to his reputation  Skittles   Feb-18-08 04:36 AM   #100 
           - dammit  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:47 AM   #104 
           - IMO  Popol Vuh   Feb-18-08 04:48 AM   #105 
              - I hadz to cope  Buve   Feb-18-08 05:00 AM   #107 
  - If Obama is the nominee, Rezko will become an issue.  Rockholm   Feb-18-08 09:18 AM   #144 
  - Oh Brother!....  Popol Vuh   Feb-18-08 04:19 AM   #92 
  - Not desperation  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:28 AM   #97 
     - "Canary in the coal mine"  Popol Vuh   Feb-18-08 04:38 AM   #102 
        - we will see  Buve   Feb-18-08 04:54 AM   #106 
           - not really  johnnydrama   Feb-18-08 05:09 AM   #108 
              - 2002 - a history lesson  Buve   Feb-18-08 05:17 AM   #110 
  - This isn't riffing, it's theft... As bad, or worse than what  JCMach1   Feb-18-08 05:11 AM   #109 
  - MSNBC Just did a piece on it. Not very good. Does it give you pause?  MassDemm   Feb-18-08 05:51 AM   #112 
  - hmmf. Are you kidding? His supporters never question anything he does.  Iris   Feb-18-08 07:04 AM   #127 
  - Flirts?  Maribelle   Feb-18-08 05:53 AM   #113 
  - And we must remember that  susankh4   Feb-18-08 07:10 AM   #128 
     - I've often read that common sense seems to fade when one is awarded a doctoral degree.  Maribelle   Feb-18-08 08:24 AM   #138 
  - side by side comparison......  MassDemm   Feb-18-08 06:20 AM   #114 
  - It is a little generic. I don't see it as plagarism.  Glimmer of Hope   Feb-18-08 06:53 AM   #117 
  - many on DU have said those exact words in response  dcindian   Feb-18-08 06:58 AM   #120 
  - Whoopsie! This is what sank Joe Biden once upon a time  Tarc   Feb-18-08 06:59 AM   #121 
  - It looks like Hillaryworld is REALLY getting scared now  zulchzulu   Feb-18-08 07:15 AM   #129 
  - Without an acknowledgement this is plagiarism pure and simple  JCMach1   Feb-18-08 08:11 AM   #136 
  - On Iraq, there are HRC statements that come close to  karynnj   Feb-18-08 07:31 AM   #130 
  - The words in the speeches are identical.  Tennessee Gal   Feb-18-08 07:49 AM   #131 
  - Obama began sounding alot like Deval in NH  Marrah_G   Feb-18-08 07:54 AM   #132 
  - Mr Authenticity?  kennetha   Feb-18-08 08:16 AM   #137 
  - You people are hilarious...both these men are quoting  dkf   Feb-18-08 08:06 AM   #135 
  - It wasn't the quoting of MLK and JFK  Maribelle   Feb-18-08 08:39 AM   #139 
  - Every speech is plagierized to some extent...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Feb-18-08 09:14 AM   #143 
  - We Black Preachers...  Joshua N   Feb-18-08 11:12 AM   #147 
  - Hi, me again.  Vektor   Feb-18-08 08:42 PM   #158 
  - Sounds like desperation.  kentuck   Feb-18-08 11:35 AM   #149 
  - Although the words were very similar, the difference was great...  kentuck   Feb-18-08 04:20 PM   #155 
  - You can find example after example  carlotta   Feb-18-08 04:51 PM   #156 
 

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