matt819
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Sun Feb-17-08 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #65 |
| 88. Who said life was fair? |
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Hey, I don't really disagree. It may not be fair. But the candidates knew what the rules were, and the voters knew their votes wouldn't count. They may have wanted them to count, and maybe in an ideal world they would have counted. And in later elections perhaps we'll have a different system. But, and I know I'm repeating myself, everyone knew going in that these primaries would effectively not count. And at least one candidate chose not to dedicate resources to those primaries, and I think Obama wasn't even on the ballot in one of those states. So you can't go back now and say, hey, Clinton should get those delegates.
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| -Not even Solomon could figure out a solution to this FL - MI dilemma. |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:01 PM |
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Either they re-vote or nothing. |
yourout |
Feb-17-08 12:04 PM |
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That is putting yourself in a box... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:06 PM |
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Absolutely |
HockeyMom |
Feb-17-08 12:21 PM |
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If Hillary gets the nomination because of FL delegates... |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:05 PM |
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Well, none of the candidates campaigned in FL... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:08 PM |
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True... But A Whole Lot Of Democrats... |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 12:17 PM |
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Are you saying..? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:19 PM |
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Apparently... They Hunt !!! |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 12:34 PM |
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Of course we should ignore that fact. She was ok with the rules... |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:19 PM |
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But it's not just about Hillary.. |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:22 PM |
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You are ignoring the fact that FL and MI knew the consequences of their decision |
earthlover |
Feb-17-08 12:19 PM |
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But Florida's decision was made by their Republican legislature... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:23 PM |
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Kentuck, I have respected you a lot. But that is just not true. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:25 PM |
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Yes, the vast majority of Democrats agreed with the Repubs... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:27 PM |
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No, I just posted a pesky fact for you.....it was introduced by a Democrat. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:35 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:37 PM |
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They lied about the party and its chairman. All the way. They openly defied.. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:39 PM |
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Open defiance of the "rules"? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:40 PM |
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Yes, choosing a nominee with one state having the power... |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:46 PM |
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You mean like IA and NH?? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:48 PM |
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You are just getting silly now and ignoring pesky facts. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 01:01 PM |
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LOL !!! - Yes !!! |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 01:14 PM |
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I would never try to "bait you", madfloridian... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 01:21 PM |
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Ring (D-FL): “I hear that a lot, that I was duped by the Republicans. No one duped me.” |
Emit |
Feb-17-08 12:28 PM |
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So, how does that change the equation? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:30 PM |
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They broke the rules after repeated warnings by Dean and the DNC |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 12:37 PM |
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"If the delegates count and Hillary is the nominee, she will not be legit." |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:39 PM |
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There are technically NO delegates right now from Florida. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 01:58 PM |
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I would think most courts would rule in favor of the voters... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 02:11 PM |
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No, they have already ruled that parties have an absolute right to determine who their nominee is |
stevenleser |
Feb-17-08 02:38 PM |
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Do you have a link or article about that? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 02:45 PM |
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No, that is not true. Here is the ruling from the Supreme Court. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 04:37 PM |
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Thanks....so there is a precedent. |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 05:01 PM |
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Actually Obama ran TV ads... said he couldn't pull them.. but they have now been pulled in my state |
cd3dem |
Feb-17-08 12:52 PM |
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He checked with t he Dem authorities |
tabatha |
Feb-17-08 01:03 PM |
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he said he was unable to pull them... but he can do it in my state after the fact... |
cd3dem |
Feb-17-08 01:51 PM |
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"The Dem authorities"? |
MonkeyFunk |
Feb-17-08 02:32 PM |
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Hillary only got a few delegates more than half, so |
Ravy |
Feb-17-08 12:11 PM |
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I think she won by about 400,000 votes?? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:15 PM |
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Right, but I think she only got 108 out of 210 delegates. |
Ravy |
Feb-17-08 12:23 PM |
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I thought she got more... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:24 PM |
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I'll bet Obama is hoping to win so big it won't matter. |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-17-08 12:07 PM |
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That is the plan. |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:09 PM |
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The gap has been closed in TX. |
tekisui |
Feb-17-08 12:11 PM |
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a decisive win would take all the air out of the ugly ClintonCo has tee'd up |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-17-08 12:14 PM |
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A new Primary cannot happen, it's an impossibilty. A new caucus would be costly. |
tekisui |
Feb-17-08 12:10 PM |
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I am pretty sure they could sit it out if they wished. |
Ravy |
Feb-17-08 12:13 PM |
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Pledged delegates can change after the first vote, not for the first vote. |
tekisui |
Feb-17-08 12:14 PM |
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Sure they can. And have. |
Ravy |
Feb-17-08 12:21 PM |
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they could hold a caucus. That they won't, speaks volumes. |
cryingshame |
Feb-17-08 12:11 PM |
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Obama wins by large enough margins that seating them makes little difference |
CreekDog |
Feb-17-08 12:13 PM |
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Another Solution... |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 12:13 PM |
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That is a possibility... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:18 PM |
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Now You'd Have To Go To madfloridian For That Information... |
WillyT |
Feb-17-08 12:33 PM |
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It does appear that the Democrats in FL were very enthusiastic... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:35 PM |
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Solomon would cut each state in half |
whistle |
Feb-17-08 12:16 PM |
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My Solution as an Obama supporter. |
writes3000 |
Feb-17-08 12:18 PM |
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Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:21 PM |
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Ha! Good point. |
writes3000 |
Feb-17-08 12:23 PM |
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NO BIBLICAL REFERENCES ON DU!1!1 SERIES! STOP preeeaching! nt |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Feb-17-08 12:34 PM |
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actually solomon had the answer give each party half of the delegations |
grantcart |
Feb-17-08 12:36 PM |
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Sure he could. Around 90% would be satisfied with new caucuses |
stevenleser |
Feb-17-08 12:38 PM |
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Do you live in Michigan or Florida? |
Bread and Circus |
Feb-17-08 12:41 PM |
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No, I do not... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:42 PM |
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I am native to Michigan and currently reside in Michigan. I pay thousands of dollars of taxes here.. |
Bread and Circus |
Feb-17-08 01:40 PM |
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I think the MI election is different from Florida's... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 01:48 PM |
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How in hell can you consider Florida's election real either? Let me ask you a few simple questions: |
Bread and Circus |
Feb-17-08 02:25 PM |
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Did I say Florida's election was "real" or legitimate? |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 02:52 PM |
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I meant it more rhetorically than directed at you. |
Bread and Circus |
Feb-17-08 03:27 PM |
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Well, do you think that people cannot empathize or sympathize with |
stevenleser |
Feb-17-08 12:43 PM |
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Simple: they broke the rules, so they get no vote on the candidate |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-17-08 12:44 PM |
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That sounds like such a stern government-type warning... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:47 PM |
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They had plenty of time to attempt to get the rules changed |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-17-08 10:18 PM |
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Simple: no vote for the nominee, votes on party policy, planks, etc. |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-17-08 12:51 PM |
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Interesting. |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 12:57 PM |
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Not just a penalty, a HUGE penalty |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-17-08 05:48 PM |
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We ignore most voters in most states every primary season, |
billyoc |
Feb-17-08 01:00 PM |
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No, but Solomon would consider ALL of the relevent policies: |
Umbram |
Feb-17-08 01:06 PM |
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You answer your own question |
matt819 |
Feb-17-08 01:27 PM |
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The 1,400,000 voters in FL did not break the "rules"... |
kentuck |
Feb-17-08 01:31 PM |
#65 |
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Who said life was fair? |
matt819 |
Feb-17-08 09:09 PM |
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FL and MI should not be a deciding factor in determining the nominee, but |
stahbrett |
Feb-17-08 01:32 PM |
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I'm an Obama supporter, but seat them (counting the "uncommitted"s) |
dmesg |
Feb-17-08 01:52 PM |
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You, my good man, must make up your mind before the Kentucky contest. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-17-08 03:26 PM |
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Solomon would order that the responsible Democrats in both states be cut in half, which I like. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-08 04:57 PM |
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For Michigan... |
hayu_lol |
Feb-17-08 05:36 PM |
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Nonsense. Hillary cheated. Others didn't. She can't benefit from cheating. |
TexasObserver |
Feb-17-08 06:02 PM |
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This is why I feel that FL ballots should be redone...my personal story... |
jab105 |
Feb-17-08 05:43 PM |
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Bill Nelson says "absolutely not" to do-over. |
madfloridian |
Feb-17-08 06:00 PM |
#86 |
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